A Swedish perspective on US foreign security politics
Day 582, 13:13
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by Misho
..or PLEASE HELP WE ARE DOom.. argh..
Its not easy to do things right every time. In order to be 'neutral' USA only fought half hearted against eSweden when it tried to take it's first and only region with High Raw material. Schleswig - Holstein.
Short background / usual propaganda.
The previous German administrations had promised it to us in return that we gave all other regions back to eGermany. We gave several back and where about to give all the rest back but it wasn't fast enough thought some Germans backed up by Peace GC leaders.
Some Germans still argues that Schleswig-Holstein is important due to all the Grain companies started by Germans there. Well when V1 started and Grain was invented in eRepublik that region belonged to eSweden and it was agreed that it should remain there. So the few Germans who started grain companies there did so in order to make profit on the Swedish internal market.
You know the history.
Probably both sides of it.
I also wrote an article half a year ago that Peace GC would turn Germany into a international play groun
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/peace-gc-turns-germany-into-international-playground-1-720228/1/20
eGermany was in a position where they where in diplomatic discussions about letting eSweden rent one (1) region. The bad news was that some Swedes weren't willing to pay since they thought they had an agreement already - to keep it for free.
Today Germanys President Gobba announce that the good news is that Peace GC are willing to only keep six (6!) German regions:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/return-of-the-regions-part-ii-updated-832364/1/20
- Hungary want a place in central Germany as a fortress from where they can strike if they get mad on something or are generally bored.
- France wants to have a border with Sweden.
(And since Sweden has no other regions then her original ones it means France goes all the way up to the Nordic countries from now on. Well if it wasn't for the fact that Hungary also managed to conquer 2/3rds of Denmark even though the Danes where pleased to be partly part of eSweden. Yes, the eDanish army have been under eSwedish command and we have had RL toungue kisses between eDanish respectively eSwedish presidents. (Don't ask for picture proofs since you don't always want to get what you ask for..))
- Italy wants to keep Bavaria, Baden - Wurtenberg, Saxony-Anhalt and Thuringia (or are at least not more interested in giving them than eSweden where to give the one region Schleswig - Holstein back.)
So what is described as "Good News" today would frankly be kind of "Worst-possible-nightmare-news-from-hell " about half a year ago when I wrote the article "Peace GC will turn eGermany to a international playground'.
I simply can't hold myself from thinking of these 'Good news - bad news' jokes.
Currently Peace GC with Hungary, Indonesia, Iran and Turkey in the front is dominating the New World. Both eSweden and eUK are without other regions than our original ones and nowadays we found ourselves bordering with Hungary.
Former Atlantis empires such as Romania and Norway are now more or less beaten back to their original borders. Peace GC is in total control over the Raw Materials, the propaganda and the strongest armies and they conquer regions after regions in the name of Peace.
The General Elections is approaching in USA and I sincerely hope that our two nations can remain friends and brothers also in the future. Our cultures are quite similar and Swedes speaks, reads and writes English well. That is a great advantage when it comes to communication also in a game such as eRepublik.
We might have done our mistakes in the past and may do more of them in the future, but we have also done great things together both in politics as well as on the battlefield.
I don't think a future where USA takes a step back and leave the world all in the hands of Peace GC as a very hopeful future. Not for any of us.
Signed
Misho
Its not easy to do things right every time. In order to be 'neutral' USA only fought half hearted against eSweden when it tried to take it's first and only region with High Raw material. Schleswig - Holstein.
Short background / usual propaganda.
The previous German administrations had promised it to us in return that we gave all other regions back to eGermany. We gave several back and where about to give all the rest back but it wasn't fast enough thought some Germans backed up by Peace GC leaders.
Some Germans still argues that Schleswig-Holstein is important due to all the Grain companies started by Germans there. Well when V1 started and Grain was invented in eRepublik that region belonged to eSweden and it was agreed that it should remain there. So the few Germans who started grain companies there did so in order to make profit on the Swedish internal market.
You know the history.
Probably both sides of it.
I also wrote an article half a year ago that Peace GC would turn Germany into a international play groun
😛
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/peace-gc-turns-germany-into-international-playground-1-720228/1/20
eGermany was in a position where they where in diplomatic discussions about letting eSweden rent one (1) region. The bad news was that some Swedes weren't willing to pay since they thought they had an agreement already - to keep it for free.
Today Germanys President Gobba announce that the good news is that Peace GC are willing to only keep six (6!) German regions:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/return-of-the-regions-part-ii-updated-832364/1/20
- Hungary want a place in central Germany as a fortress from where they can strike if they get mad on something or are generally bored.
- France wants to have a border with Sweden.
(And since Sweden has no other regions then her original ones it means France goes all the way up to the Nordic countries from now on. Well if it wasn't for the fact that Hungary also managed to conquer 2/3rds of Denmark even though the Danes where pleased to be partly part of eSweden. Yes, the eDanish army have been under eSwedish command and we have had RL toungue kisses between eDanish respectively eSwedish presidents. (Don't ask for picture proofs since you don't always want to get what you ask for..))
- Italy wants to keep Bavaria, Baden - Wurtenberg, Saxony-Anhalt and Thuringia (or are at least not more interested in giving them than eSweden where to give the one region Schleswig - Holstein back.)
So what is described as "Good News" today would frankly be kind of "Worst-possible-nightmare-news-from-hell " about half a year ago when I wrote the article "Peace GC will turn eGermany to a international playground'.
I simply can't hold myself from thinking of these 'Good news - bad news' jokes.
Currently Peace GC with Hungary, Indonesia, Iran and Turkey in the front is dominating the New World. Both eSweden and eUK are without other regions than our original ones and nowadays we found ourselves bordering with Hungary.
Former Atlantis empires such as Romania and Norway are now more or less beaten back to their original borders. Peace GC is in total control over the Raw Materials, the propaganda and the strongest armies and they conquer regions after regions in the name of Peace.
The General Elections is approaching in USA and I sincerely hope that our two nations can remain friends and brothers also in the future. Our cultures are quite similar and Swedes speaks, reads and writes English well. That is a great advantage when it comes to communication also in a game such as eRepublik.
We might have done our mistakes in the past and may do more of them in the future, but we have also done great things together both in politics as well as on the battlefield.
I don't think a future where USA takes a step back and leave the world all in the hands of Peace GC as a very hopeful future. Not for any of us.
Signed
Misho
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Maybe if it weren't for Atlantis over aggressive tendencies with Indonesia, Romania would of been able to keep resource rich Russia. PEACE is not trying to dominate the world their just trying to beat back these former Atlantis nations who keep pestering them.
PEACE and Atlantis really weren't that different except for the fact that one killed itself by its lack of cohesiveness among its members and its over aggressiveness.
Q1 WEAPONS - PM ME
Misho, you've always been a class act and a close friend, and your country has always helped us in our times of need. I cannot speak for everyone, but I feel pretty comfortable in saying that my sentiment is echoed throughout the marines and would be happy to stand by your side any day of the week.
Do you believe that yourself Desertfalcon? Have you really bought the propaganda to such extent that you believe Peace GC exists simply to protect other countries from the 'Aggressive Atlantis which takes their Raw Material regions".
Make a list of former Atlantis Countries who occupy foreign regions with High Raw Materials. I know one - Finland has a Grain High Region.
That's the only one.
Peace GC countries on the other hand, that would be a loooong list.
But for sure they exist to help neutral countries safe from Aggressive Atlantis..
Peace at Home, Peace Abroad, Peace Everywhere!
Thanks Guud, it was an honor fighting on your side in Central Greece!
You can keep saying we would give you SH long ago all you want, it won't happen now, that's for sure.
And SH is still not a swedish original territory, it is german original territory.
misho that's only because PEACE succesfully beated back all the ex-atlantis powers 🙂
MortenLond,
thats a question of time. If you go back a couple of years I'm sure someone will argue S-H does not belong to Germany. Germay is a young country. More to the point - I've never argued it is Swedish original territory neither do I believe it will belong to eSweden in the future.
We have made our point and taken our beatings. So have you. And the winner is..!?
americans need some coke...
for energy, of course!
........
Yes the liquid kind!
Misho, what happened to the Mata Hari-s of the New World, shoot and Hansg, and their complete waste of 5 months... uuhhh .. I mean spy operation? 🙂
How can you expect eGermany to ever trust eSweden again after that performance?
Grakulan,
Germans asked Sweden to trust them after back stabbing operation burning spirit and so we did. Well at least to 51%
New people start to play the game and old ones move on. I myself hold no official position in eSweden nowadays for example.
eSweden and eGermany have good chances to co operate once again in the future I believe. And regarding the 'Spy incident' don't believe everything you read. Sometimes a pawn must be sacrificed for achieving something of greater value..
Italy wants to keep Bavaria, Baden - Wurtenberg, Saxony-Anhalt and Thuringia (or are at least not more interested in giving them than eSweden where to give the one region Schleswig - Holstein back.) completely false.
italy is waiting its turn simply, to free the regions.
cmon misho, you surprise me. you should inform better yourself, before to do some propaganda!
cheers
btw. voted, just because is you.
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Mappina,
eSweden where occupied with wars together with USA, Spain, UK and Canada which delayed the returning of a couple of regions. Disturbing enough to make Germany threatening with Trade Embargo - so hurry up before the guys in Berlin lose their tempers.
There's only one country which has certain right to complain about getting rough treatment from PEACE, and that is South Africa. But after they set PEACE on its toes right in the middle of the Romanian campaign in Asia by trying to stab Indonesia in the back I'd say they took a chance and lost, so they shouldn't complain - they are suffering the consequences of their own actions.
I'd like to see SA free soon, but under wiser leadership, not run by a bunch of adventurists taking miscalculated risks.
In war, there are no winners 😛
Thanks for the vote Mappina, I should aim for congress! 😉
Misho don't say that the Germans didn't tried to make an Alliedship with you and Sweden ... and Karl just broke it for no reason and his own sake ... I am also mad of it and almost quitted the Game for it I am now only a canadian two clickan ...
MortenLond,
Hungary seem to be on a pretty nice winning streak if you ask me. Thank God there are differences in waging war in eRepublik compared to the Real World. Here in the New World people actually are getting healthier when shooting at each others like there's no tomorrow.
are you candidate in the swedish congress misho? 😮
you should candidate for presidency 😃
about the german regions, let see misho 🙂
"And SH is still not a swedish original territory, it is german original territory."
It has been Danish original territory also 😉 Things can change if you try hard enough 😃
Isy,
I don't have the details for the politics and decisions taken by eSweden for several months now. I won't go into an argument regarding something I have little information about and no responsibility for. What I can do is agree with you that Sweden and Germany did a good job in becoming allies again. What went wrong is like I said nothing I can take a discussion about.
sadly true I also don't know whats going on, damn PEACE will hold half Germany, this Game is ruined 😁
Roteda,
yes Schleswig-Holstein has been part of both Sweden and Denmark even before Germany existed.
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Vote!
Because of the article and because it's you 😛
'eSweden and eGermany have good chances to co operate once again in the future I believe'
Just like last time right? Oh, and you forgot to mention your puppet state Poland, what about them?
Thanks Mihai!
Porosus,
the only thing Poles haven in common with puppets is the initial letter. Poles are not known for taking commands from others. Not in real life and not in the New World.
Misho, at the time Sweden wanted to keep SH PEACE GC liberated all regions for Germany in agreement with Germany.
Thats 1 against 0.
You don't mention that.
Now Poland and Sweden wanted to keep more regions.
You don't mention that.
You say: "and they conquer regions after regions in the name of Peace"
I will fix that for you: "and they REconquer regions after regions in the name of Peace"
You say: Make a list of former Atlantis Countries who occupy foreign regions with High Raw Materials.
I will fix that for you: "Make a list of former Atlantis Countries who occupIED foreign regions with High Raw Materials before PEACE GC took it away."
You say: "Germans asked Sweden to trust them after back stabbing operation burning spirit and so we did. Well at least to 51%"
Then I can only just wonder what spies like Shoot did in Germany.
I prefer your actually funny propaganda articles or articles about game mechanics etc. This one is just too full of half truths and nonsense (regardless from what your title suggested you want to reach with this article, I can't care less about your relations with the USA, but it's not what this article seems to be about).
Jazar: i agree with you...
Misho: sorry but this article was pretty unbalanced...
Not voted.
Jazar, if it ain't broken - don't fix it!
Sweden and Poland had to take all regions in the first wave in order to stop the MPP's and repeat a new Operation French Toast.
Sweden also started RW to give regions back this time but Peace GC acted quickly and started to fight against(!) the liberation of the German regions in order to conquer the regions themselves and 'In the name of Peace GC liberate eGermany' *cough* *cough* and keep half of it *cough* *cough*
I didn't mention the total annihilation of Germany to get rid of Alliances did I? 🙂
The regions Sweden started to give back were the regions bordering France in order to block their war proposal.
misho, you are becoming like sebahmah, a bitter man
i havent seen you this bitter since post Burning spirit
misho, this article is really weaker than your previous ones. not the reason i am subscribe😛)
saying that sweden was going to return german regions does not say anything about poland returning the regions, right? the reason that germany did not accept the proposal was that you wanted to keep the best region for yourself and then poland keeps everything. the problem wasn't as much sweden as it was poland.
as far as the RM regions. It was only because Atlantis led an offensive that we needed to strike back. The reason Indonesia has a high iron region in Russia, for example, is because Romania advanced to Russia first. The reason Italy holds German regions is because Sweden advanced there first. The reason Hungary held Vojvodina was because Croatia advanced there first. The reason Brazil holds South African regions is because South Africa thought it could take on a wounded animal first. Obviously forgetting that wounded animals fight the most fierce fights. The reason someone is going to hold Zemgale is because Finland advanced there first.
So, now you are trying some propaganda against PEACE while regions are being returned. You should have at least waited a bit for the dust to settle after the battles.
Chukata,
you mean after Hungary and Peace GC have attacked original Croatia and their only region with High Grain like they are doing now. No, the dust is settled enough! ;p
Glados,
me bitter? I have for long time argued for an eSweden with only original borders and perhaps a couple of "volunteered regions" if our neighbors want that. To be more honest I have also in a very bitter tone told Admin how utterly wrong the Raw Material distribution is - both from a RL perspective and from a Game Balance perspective.
Give it a month or so and I don't think eSweden will be interested in Schleswig-Holstein at all and that is indeed a great starting point for a new powerful alliance between Germany and Sweden.
Scary huh? 😃
An alliance between Germany and Sweden?
Wow.
You're obviously an intelligent player, but I think you're deluding yourself on that one.
PEACE treatment of Germany would have to be very draconian indeed for anything like that to be remotely possible. Like if they wanted to keep half of Germany and extract tribute every month.
Sort of like Kalle Holm's last proposal to Germany.
Germany is in PEACE, either formally or informally, and will stay there. After Operation Der Wienerschnitzel, they'd be foolish to do anything else.
Where does that leave Sweden and the US?
Operation Taco Bell was stupid and embarrassing. I can say that as an American.
Operation Der Wienerschnitzel was... well, in hindsight, probably not completely thought out.
But the past is the past.
PEACE is getting larger and stronger.
Dishmcds is running for parliament in the UK, (now that he's done saving Mexico), and if he wins (which is likely, he's a former Prime Minister of Great Britain) he'll run for PM again.
If he wins, he will bring the UK into PEACE, which will produce new PEACE borders for both the US and Sweden.
The US and Sweden must hang together.
If we do not hang together, we will certainly hang (or be hanged) separately.
JBB
Most of this is the standard Swedish propaganda...
SH is a German region
You were not "too slow" in releasing regions, but rather halted the release of regions because of conflicts over a 5q defense system factory some Swedish idiot built in a German region.
Now the stuff specific to this issue:
Sweden demanded SH, and Poland demanded Brandenburg for a peace treaty. This would leave Germany crippled and humiliated, and that would be no end to hostilities. Also that was only offered after peace had given us some hints of what they were planning, so we knew it was a bad idea.
As for the regions that peace is keeping:
France wanted Mecklenburg, to get a border with Sweden. This region has no resources at all, and only 2 companies are based there. Also giving it to France got rid of our border with Sweden! I must say I love the feeling of not bordering you.
Hungary wanted to keep Hesse until the region swaps are done. The region has no resources at all, and only 7 companies. This is good because if Poland or Sweden were to attack us again, it will be much easier to re-take everything. Hesse will be returned once it is safe.
Negotiations with Italy are taking a bit longer, as Gobba said in the article you linked to (how you managed to not read what you linked to is beyond me). Italy by no means wants to keep all 4 regions. In the next few days this should be resolved.
Next time, please do a bit of research to actually know what you are talking about before posting.
-Elisa Vorimberg
german co-minister of foreign affairs
Sorry, Misho, but Jazar's fixes to your statements were really needed. Jazar:Misho=3:0
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"The reason someone is going to hold Zemgale is because Finland advanced there first."
chukcha saw the future in a crystal ball 🙂
"France wants to have a border with Sweden."
1)True.
2)We want to have a border with Poland too 😉
3)The region will be given back to eGermany once it asks for it.
Elisa Vorimberg,
You are the one who should do some research. Depending on how you argue you can say that S-H is a orginal German region. However, it do belong to Sweden. We helped you guys out and in return we would get S-H. But when you backstabbed you took it from us. S-H do belong to Sweden. And about the Q5 defense system, it was built since S-H would belong to Sweden. When you backstabbed us you did not only steal S-H you took our Q5 defense aswell, which you have not payed back (or well, 60g..)
Misho, the attack on Croatia is so that Croats are blocked from attacking Serbia again.
@Ph Brodin
You gave up your claim to that region when you stopped releasing the other regions which was a condition of the agreement.
I was talking about the q5 defense system FACTORY, not the defense system that was put in SH.
And we were paying it off (even making a payment while you were threatening us) but now that you destroyed the defense system and attempted to conquer us, I think it is insane for you to still expect payment.
Swedish propaganda!
The way I see it is Sweden had Germany as an ally then for the sake of old pride and a foolish president lost them as an ally when they decided to attack them while their partial membership in ATLANTIS was still being discussed. Germany in its time as a partial member took on a role as a full fledged member even though it was not required to do so. It gained itself respect and complete forgiveness for any past transgressions that happened. Then Sweden did a stupid thing and betrayed its close allies by making them choose between an old friend and a new one when it had made a foolish move.
Now its over, and the past is the past, its time to move on, wipe the slates, and act as true friends. Alliances are nothing when it comes to being mates, that is what really matters, not obligations to help each other but willing steps to help out a friend.
My dear old friend Misho, I'd suggest you just give up discussing with germans and PEACEniks. You know what they say, "they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience..."
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