[Debate] Changes in Immigration policy #2
UNL Congress
Greetings, citizens of Netherlands,
the government has requested the following debate to be re-opened, based on the results of the vote of previous Congress (where the proposal has been neutralized with a vote ending 10-10), and some remarks made during the debate and the voting.
Below is presented a complete overhaul of the immigration policy, which would replace the current legislature. Compared to previous version here: https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-debate-changes-in-immigration-policy-2710036/1/20 , allied and other countries have been defined, as well as changes have been made in paragraph 4.
For comparison, the current immigration protocol is here: http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Security_Council_for_Immigrants
1. The government is responsible for reviewing all Dutch citizenship applications and posting all information gathered about the applicant in Congress, where Congress provides consultation to applications.
2. Applicants from allied countries (including, but not limited to, members of alliance, members of friendly alliances, countries having MPP with eNL or TW partners) can be accepted or rejected based on the decision of (vice)President or Minister of Home/Foreign Affairs.
3. Applicants from other countries (including, but not limited to, countries being at conflict with eNL and/or its allies, or countries with no defined relationship towards eNL or its allies) can be accepted or rejected after a minimum of 24 hours of debate based on the decision of (vice)President or Minister of Home/Foreign Affairs.
4. In case the application is accepted, Congress is requested to provide citizenship to the applicant. Congress members can not accept citizenship requests without a decision of government.
5. Provisions for an expedited request from befriended players or other emergency cases might be accepted immediately without following the aforementioned procedures based on the decision of (vice)President and/or Minister of Home/Foreign Affairs; however they need to be explained in Congress prior granting of citizenship.
6. Provisions for an expedited request from befriended players include, but are not limited to, applications due to the needed usage of ghost boosters in allied wars, applications due to the inability to work in applicants factories because of existing war in its country, applications due to the seeking temporary refuge from the wipe of applicants country or Expatriates/Honorary Citizens.
!EDITED PARTS DUE TO THE DEBATE BELOW THE ARTICLE HIGHLIGHTED IN BOLD!
Results of the vote:
Yes: 13
No: 8
Neutral: 0
The proposal has been accepted.
Janty F and Shawtyl0w
CoC Team
Comments
So, this wont be implemented in the Lawbook?
If accepted, it will be implemented in the same way current procedure is, as it replaces it.
It works the same way as it is now. Which still seems.. a bit odd to me. Could easily be included in Law in brief form, instead of a confusing extra ''Protocol''. If things are important enough to be defined in a legislative way, at least have it in Law Book.
I'd prefer 6 to be named differently, covering the reason more clearly. Escape procedure or lending a hand procedure comes to mind but better names no doubt can be found.
As for 3 I'd say it doesn't harm to consult congress in those 24 hours, so why not put that in as well. The final decision is still the same but you at least give congress the option to give it's opinion that way preventing to start a discussion after the moment the decision by gov is made and congress is asked to approve the request. Also, should somehow a PTO have occurred there is a bit more room for impeachment should that be needed.
Or maybe better to say: Leave that in... Basicly the original 3 can stay the same I guess.
1. The government is responsible for reviewing all Dutch citizenship applications and posting all information gathered about the applicant in Congress, where Congress provides consultation to applications.
... this is still valid, meaning the 24 hour period will be conducted in Congress, just like it is conducted now; and meaning nobody will be accepted without Congress knowing about it. Just like in current protocol, paragraphs 2 and 3 worked together, here paragraph 1 also works together with 2 and 3 (and the rest, of course). I guess "24 hours of debate" can be written instead of plain "24 hours", but the meaning will still be the same, as it is now.
As for the naming: I guess the intention here is to avoid establishing too many new terms, while keeping visible the fact the procedure is supposed to be used only in emergency situations.
The intention of the law should be as clear as possible. Leaving debating out of the sentence makes it less clear so to me it's a no brainer to leave it in to prevent abuse/different interpretation.
As the main purpose of this change, to my knowledge, lies within the fact we can't swiftly aid friendly players with CS to fight immediately using ghost boosters or work in their comps. That is not considered an emergency by several. So IMO it helps distinguish between this aiding a player/nation and emergencies. Whichever the latter may be as tbh I wouldn't know of an example. This, therefore, counters the need to name it differently but we both know how the word emergency will likely be abused to refuse to grant SC when asked.
Most of the time this will be no issue as we have enough players willing to accept but might become an issue with smaller congress or larger amounts of players needing that hand. Therefore I urge gov to make a distinction between those 2 cases.
do you think provision for an expedited request would be an adequate compromise?
Better already. Maybe add something like allied or befriended? The latter to prevent limiting it to formal allies...
I believe that is a reasonable suggestion that we can look into amending for the bill! Its possible to distinguish the emergency procedure category by possibly splitting it into a different catsgory for work companies snd ghost boosters. Although 24 hours will be removed, Congress will be consulted ad they will have a SAY in a matter before Government would take a decision.
It is possible for an adequate compromise. There has been several befriended cases fir example you and Chance coming from Ireland, an enemy nation but fornthis it will link back to the first point about Congress consultation before any acceptance.
"24 hours of debate" edited in. As for the other thing, I will wait for the government to piece it out together.
The other thing edited as well based on text from CP.
Again most of the things in point 6 can easily wait 24 hours.
See no reason why friendly/allied in point 2 shouldn't wait a minimum of 24 hours.
Also forgot to bring it up last debate but where are the expats/honorary citizens? we still have those, so no reason to remove it from the immigration procedure.
I suppose you play another game than we do here as most if not all can't wait 24 hrs. For use of ghost boosters even an hour or less can be way to much...
volgens mij werd er in het vorige debat ook al aangegeven dat dat idd van die lijst het enigste punt is wat legitiem een plek heeft.
de rest kan gewoon die minimaal 24 uur wachten.
Waiting to work 24hrs also means you miss a day. No issue when you have 1 factory, but people seeking a place for that won't have just 1.
And as those 2 reasons are the only ones put up in point 6 the remark of Jacen.odan is complete BS.
Oorlogsdeclaraties duren toch echt minimaal 24 uur. Tenzij de persoon heeft liggen slapen en geen zicht houdt op zijn fabriekslocaties is het toch echt een probleem wat hij/zij zelf gecreëerd heeft.
Oftewel complete bs om niet minimaal 24 uur te wachten.
You are talking BS odan and you should know that as we ourselves now several times did put a vote up to only decide yes or no in the last hours. Which you nor your clones respect but still there is no 24hr warning all the time. Wake up to the reality of the game or step aside as you don't help eNL being a trustworthy friend/alliance partner.
expats/honorary citizens added in in the edit
Why are we cutting around the chase and keep clinging on these abandoned concepts. Only making the law more confusing than needed..
The only problem in the previous version to me seems the ambiguity of ''emergency'' and the bickering that follows on its interpretation. To some, giving a known big-producing player a quick safe haven to produce, an allied fried a quick opportunity to use i.e. ghost boosters, a former eDutch quick access, or someone returning after having been through the process recently, constitutes an 'emergency' that can skip the 24 hour waiting period.
This version seems to add more ambiguity and perhaps a bit too much text (which results in confusing complexities and legal bickering).