Wow! You are so strong! How come you keep losing?
mihail.cazacu
When Turkey sided with EDEN at the end of last year, people carefully added up the damage dealt by ONE and compared it to the total firepower of EDEN (including Bulgaria at the time) and Turkey. It turned out ONE was still leading. On paper. But they were losing big on every battlefield.
Surprising? Well, not quite! In mid-2011, when Turkey was firmly on ONE's side, Serbia and Hungary had somehow managed to get wiped out.
Then, well before Turkey switched sides, the Polish and Serbian empires had already started to crumble.
So even before Turkey sided with EDEN there were several hard facts pointing out that something is terribly wrong with how ONE works, so terribly wrong that even overwhelming superiority can't guarantee them victory.
How could that be possible? How could the strong be defeated by the weak? Or as several prominent ONE trolls had repeatedly put it, "by the weaklings"?
The answer is very simple actually. The first half of the answer is ONE's superiority was only a matter of brute force. No member of ONE however had enough brute force alone to defeat the "coalition of weaklings".
The second half of the answer is that each member of ONE was fully aware of its own magnificence. That magnificence dictated that her colonial empire, a reflection of her splendid glory, was more important than everything else. Which meant that when the "weaklings" attacked several empires at once, each ONE member tried to defend her own. So all the "weaklings" had to do was to threaten those empires simultaneously while actually concentrating all their forces against a single enemy.
It was the same strategy TEDEN employed at the height of PEACE and Phoenix power. It worked every time. And it will keep working against any "Coalition of the Self-Important."
Fast-forward to the present days.
Bulgaria left EDEN 3 months ago. Since ONE was already more powerful on paper than TEDEN when both Bulgaria and Turkey were on the same side, it is obvious that, after Bulgaria left, ONE had again the Holy Overwhelming Superiority their players adore with religious fervor.
And yet, how did that really work for them?
At first they managed to wipe out several TEDEN countries, as expected. But doing so returned each of them to the imperial status. And do you remember what an empire is for any Self-Important? Something worth ignoring all his allies for.
So right now the Poles and the Serbs are pouring most of their damage not into defending their core regions (that would be humanly understandable) but in defending their precious empires. They take so good care of their own bonuses that Spain and Macedonia, both founding members of the Self-Important Bullies Club aka ONE, are forced to fight for what is left of their core regions.
Oh, and Bulgaria is down to one core region as well.
What was TEDEN doing in a similar situation? Like when Greece, France, Turkey and Croatia were all contemplating extinction in the same time?
TEDEN was skillfully switching the focus from one battle to the other, with the overall strategic goal of ensuring each country would be on the map in time for Congress elections.
When TEDEN was pouring huge amounts of damage in the Turkish battles some Bulgarians hastened to say Turkey was TEDEN's master. But then France became "TEDEN's master". And then Greece. And then Croatia.
TEDEN had set the "sheepish" goal of ensuring every member has a Congress and ended up with forcing Spain, Macedonia and Bulgaria to fight hard for their cores, at the height of ONE + Bulgaria domination.
On the other hand ONE + Bulgaria had set the "manly" goal of eWorld Domination and failed miserably. Again and again, for 3 month in a row.
Bulgaria left EDEN as the result of a Self-Importance attack:
"How dare EDEN to disregard OUR irrational opposition to Turkey's membership?"
"WE are the strongest EDEN country".
"WE kept EDEN alive".
"WE are 50% more powerful than Turkey".
"WE will keep Turkey under occupation till their players leave the game".
Oh, and let's not forget the "WE will form a new alliance where WE will have the leading role"
The problem with any alliance where "WE must have the leading role" is that every member would want that every second of every minute of every hour of every day. And you would end up with having a PEACE, a Phoenix or a ONE.
In the Alliances of the "Weaklings", each member gets to be important from time to time. One day the most important member, the one for which the whole alliance fights, might be Greece. Another day it would be France. Another day it would be Brazil. Then Belarus. Then Turkey. Then Israel. Then the USA. Then Romania. Then China. Then Finland. Then Croatia. Than Ireland. Then Germany. Then the Netherlands. Then Columbia. Then China again, and so on.
Such alliances can adapt to every situation because none of the members is intoxicated with self-importance to the point he thinks his wishes are more important than the wishes of the rest of his allies.
Many of the Self-Important Hyperinflated Ego players failed to notice a very interesting thing: China is a Real Life superpower, the EDEN country which, through her 100% bonuses practically arms the whole alliance and one of the countries who wins EDEN's battles while it is night time in Europe. Yet time and again the Chinese players define themselves not as the "Saviors of the alliance" but as the "soy sauce" - the modest ingredient which contributes to the good taste of a meal.
Maybe the Bulgarians would want to incorporate soy sauce in their traditional recipes from now on. Fusion cuisine is becoming more and more popular.
Comments
Nice read as usual
One of nice articles in my subsripions (LOTS of them) over last days
This is much better!
The article is good, but I am really curious why all of you continue pretent not to understand why Bulgaria didn't want Turkey in the same alliance where we are, or you really don't understand it?
WE left because we wanted to fight with them, because we need them desperatelly in the game, but as our enemy, not as our allies. Because they are Turks, understand? The war with the Turks is what still keeps the interests of many Bulgarian players in this stupid and boring game.
Excellent!
Congrats bro!
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It's not a war with whoever, it is a war with the Turks - the ancestors of the Ottoman Empire, which took the might of the Bulgarian Empire, which stopped the advance of our country, our nation suffered very very much. Our national holiday is the day of our liberation from the Turks, our national heroes are people connected with the wars for freedom, the people who organized the resistance, who fought, who died for the freedom of Bulgaria. This is what we have grown with, this is what we have
I wonder why this article was not written 10 days ago...
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@hanibalbg, OK, I can understand your feelings to that country (as for me I have same ones, but to another) but
1. fighting with Turks coz they are Turks. don't you think it seems like a bit wrong?
2. even so, you had such an oportunity in RWs on Iran and other teritories, no?
... learned in school, this is our history, and we are very proud of it, of every moment of it. It is inside us - how can you expect any Bulgarian to be allied with Turk, instead of fighting against them, at least in the game?
We had our very big baby-boom during the war. It won't ever happen without the Bulgarian-Turkish war - or at least it wasn't going to be so big. In my opinion the war at least doubled the nimbers of the new players who stayed in the game. And I repeat - this is not
... interesting game. To bring new players here, and to keep them here, is not an easy task. We said it, and now I think you see we were right - it's normal for every e-Bulgarian, to want stronger e-Bulgaria. And here it is, today - more stronger, more superpower then it was before. The Bulgarian-Turkish war had its results of it, we needed it.
One more thing - this is game for fun. If we don't have fun, if we don't enjoy it, then - why to play it? It's like to took the sault from the dish!
o7 m.c
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@hanibalbg:
How come the Greeks and the Turks don't need to fight each other to enjoy this game?
Hey, the Turks don't even get any fun from fighting _you_!
Your rivalry with Turkey is so asymmetric that if you keep persisting in it you will keep looking like the dogs who chase cars barking at their wheels.
I am just passing by for some soy sauce
@otakuar
1. Yes, it may be wrong, but you know that it's not just we, right? What about the Serbs, the Spanish - even while being in the same alliance (I speak about the period when Turkey was ONE-allied)? When there are a lot examples like this, it seems suspicious, if it is the guilt of "all", or of the "one" who is involved in all the problems : ))) .
2. It was impossible to continue. The whole EDEN fought against us in that revolt, also our member status was lowered on the next day.
... it's not the way to behave with the allies. We were friends after all, it hurted to see Greeks, Croatians and Romanians avatars on the other side of the battlefield. It hurted in the first weeks after we left EDEN, too. Now it's more acceptable, it become normal ...
@GolemDebil:
Check out my two previous articles.
I wrote that Flausino's leadership will end in disappointment.
I also wrote that in spite of the Bulgarian-Chinese NAP TEDEN will find a way to both stop Hungary and Poland AND to return Turkey back on the map.
You guys made a mistake, but you can correct it any time you wish. Focus on fixing things instead of persisting in the same error time and again.
@hanibalbg, do you know (in the past) how many months Eden asked you to put NE on Turkey?
And your answer was ... NO, we DON'T want war with Turkey!
Ask your leaders 😛
@mihail.cazacu, probably because the Greeks have the Macedonians. I don't know, but it's hard to have 2 big enemies, usually people concentrate on 1. Also, I don't like this comparison, because this is how some Greeks behaved, in my opinion - a little arrogant. "We are the biggest enemies of the Turks, but we managed to be allies. If we can do, than you must to it too". It's stupid. Sometimes the people have their own, different opinion, and they have the right to deside it.
@diuras, it's true, but we used the peace-agreement with the Turks for the good of the alliance. We surrounded Ukraine and Russia with shield of it's own teritories, and the primary purpose of Ukraine and Russia giving us some of their colonies was exactly this - to keep them from the Turks, using the peace agreement. Not because Bulgaria to have more bonuses. And we did it for the good of the alliance, I think that in this times it was better to have Ukraine and Russia free, and stronger
@hanibalbg:
At the time EDEN help Turkey with those RWs, EDEN was allied with Turkey just as it was allied with Bulgaria. The problem was Bulgaria was a full member of EDEN and as such Bulgaria should have followed the rules of the Treaty of EDEN. Including the rule that said EDEN members should not attack EDEN allies.
If you check my articles from that time, I wrote that Bulgaria should have received those regions, but as part of an EDEN decision, not as part of an unilateral action.
Anyway, it'a the strategy AND it's a game, so lets think, play and have some fun
... Bulgaria, than to begin the war with the Turks.
:😁 don`t worry for us mihail.cazacu, very soon the wheel will turn again, and again and again... There is no winner in this "game".
Yes, mihail.cazacu, I know that. I just answered to otakuar, why it wasn't good, to fight in the Iran RWs against the Turks. It also wasn't fun.
Yap @mf2hd.bg, "there is no winner in this game" ... only friends : P
@mf2hd.bg:
How about this game-play:
1) You make peace with EDEN;
2) You get surplus regions from the Russians (Terra) and Iran (pro-EDEN) so you can have a stable source of bounses, helping your young players to grow strong;
3) You land-swap to Central Europe, Sweden, Indonesia, so you get truly interesting campaigns instead of ping-pongs which will only grow your players bitter. Bitter about "poor leadership", bitter about Plato, bitter about "useless allies", etc.
mihail, interesting offer. Have you talked with turks, ukrainians and russians about it or you will try to force them accept it anyway?
@mihail.cazacu actually i don`t care anymore :😁 But to answer your question - i think it is too late for this. Or too soon...
@GolemdeBil:
What do you think?
Or an even better question: has your government talked about that with them? Oh wait! Flausino is president.
@mf2hd.bg:
I think it might be a bit early. Early as in Flausino is still president.
But a new government might be better at diplomacy. As you know, the Turks said they are ready to put an end to this war. All they wait for is for your government to ask for peace, since it was your government who started it.
STRATEGY always win against POWER.
中国酱油路过,表示平时从不打枪,国家需要时可以打个十几万出来的说
@Alegretto, how do you conclude that you are less powerful? I see 3 superpowers with 10/10 bonuses where every teden player go for cs. I see by population teden overpower us (count it yourself if you dont believe me). I see overwhelming teden presence in top 100 players' influence. HOW ON EARTH YOU DECIDED THAT YOU ARE LESS POWERFUL? Your strategy is not better than ours. We started losing when USA and China got involved directly and plato went mad with his special offers.
ласкаво просимо Cazacu !
@GolemdeBil:
Plato will always make special offers. That is truly irrelevant - Turkey was conquered while Plato was making 2 special offers daily.
What matters is indeed the USA and China got common borders with Hungary and Spain. And _that_ was a matter of strategy.
Also it is silly to claim Plato defeated you when you knew Plato will try to make money out of your obsession with Turkey. You should always expect Plato to make money out of RL rivalries.
Great article. You're damn right. We're soy sauce. 😃
@Xenon Ng:
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yes it is true about strategy. Both USA and China have become giants because of immigration. Not so much because of their no of players but the quality of players that have CS there atm. Besides the obvious 10% NE bonus, TEDEN can now focus almost 100% the "patriot militia" for it's allies, instead of beating TW RWs at 95% each round!
@mihail.cazacu , you are talking nonsense. If your strategy was to bring USA to Hungary why you fought so hard against Hungary while they were doing your job for you? You are trying to make yourself so much smarter that you get delusional...
BTW I didn't say plato defeated us.
@GolemdeBil:
It was all about timing. It always is. We even fought hard _for Hungary_ in a RW. The whole EDEN mobiles went there.
All was timed in such a way that China is at the Spanish borders when the Hungarian NE is voted in the American Congress. And meanwhile we also had to make sure Croatia can have elections.
Not bad in terms of synchronization, don't you think?
I would say your strategy was a wishful thinking this time. It was a plan B. When you failed in stopping hungarians and they did managed to get borders with USA (in spite of you), after they lost their first battle you saw opportunity. You didn't want the war to end and fought for them. But all this is very little your doing. It was our mistake but not your master plan. I am OK with accepting that we are not perfect but I see you are not.
@GolemdeBil:
EDEN did stuff like that before: Bulgaria went to Poland, China went to Sweden, Croatia went to Mexico, etc.
Why do you insist believing that bringing China around the eWorld to hit Spain was just luck, when that was the only feasible way to put pressure on ONE once the USA and Brazil had NAPs with Spain?
Besides, it was Hungary who stupidly conquered the last province separating them from the USA right when China gained a border with Spain. Did we control the Huns?
Did I say that? Please mate, I respect you but don't turn my words around.
"Besides, it was Hungary who stupidly conquered the last province separating them from the USA right when China gained a border with Spain. Did we control the Huns? " - Just proves my point, does it?
The reality is that: TEDEN strongest are China, USA and maybe Brazil. That's where the majority of strong teden players are. When these countries get NE bonus the things get ugly for us. The same thing is true for Poland and Serbia. While these countries only guard their bonuses (just like Poland and Serbia) the things are other way around. So the strategy of any alliance is to put their strongest in the fight. And that makes you brilliant?!
voted and subed.As a Chinese I really like u guys explain soy sauce in this postive and creative way... we are not as strong as ones, that's true; but we fight for brotherhood which makes us strong.
@GolemdeBil:
Our plan in the West was to bring China to Europe and to delay the Polish and Hungarian advance to North America.
Our plan in the East was to liberate Turkey and to ensure Croatia and Albania had Congresses.
Then Hungary made the monumental mistake of breaking the barrier between them and the USA at the wrong moment. We of course made use of this opportunity _now_ because _now_ we had China in Europe.
_Before_ it was important to _delay_ the Hungarian advance. Timing.
The difference between USA, Brazil and China on one side and Poland and Serbia on the other side is our guys are willing to temporary lose some bonuses while helping the others.
ONE always starts RWs in USA, Brazil or China but that doesn't prevent those countries to fight where they should. They know that if the common interest prevails, they can recuperate their colonies later.
Serbia and Poland give their allies the middle finger. Look at Spain and Macedonia now.
DIN DIN DIN Here is the answer:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/rankings-damage/1
You left our alliance because we didn't treat you as "the apple of our eyes". You, the "saviors of the alliance". The saviors of an alliance where nobody else claimed that title.
You had an irrational fit and we didn't "respect" it.
We never told you to leave the alliance. We always told you it makes no strategic sense to fight Turkey.
But you left, and now you are allied with Poland and Serbia, who unlike USA, Brazil and China, don't give a damn about their allies.
Is that wise?
@linghan wang:
And that is the true mark of valor: to do great things like they were modest accomplishments.
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