Why was eRepublik more popular? [open discussion]
Mitsou
Or why we think erepublik was more better in old times? It was really better or just in our memories?
This is just my thinking. There is no proof or numbers in this article, I'm just philosophing. It's not absolute, just some random s*t. Feel free to write a comment about what you are thinking.
Once erep was more popular. I think mainly because it was simple, and didn't scare new players with a ton of features. The players made the depth to the game and created some content to it:
- military units
- government positions,
- TO units
- awesome articles
- active chat rooms with hundreds of people
- etc.
Battlefield was more simple but some basic startegy made the wars enjoyable:
- blocking other countries from attack (aka perma block, maybe it's a ba example, it was cancer)
- retreating from battlefield which accelerated the game and made countries cooperate much more (region swap).
Now everything is in game: PP, CO, TP, gov postitons, MU, MU chat, more and better shout/feed walls, citizenship, complex campagain system. Which are reasonable and good features except the TP (see Julius posts, totally agree). And in my oppinion the terrain system (earlier the Rising did the same) proved that more complexity than this is a big no-no. It had a potential, but every country played it safe because it required too much effort to make a serious strategy.
I wonder if these features growed players lazy? Why is there more induvidialism now than before? Why there is much more nothingness?
Picture from Rising. What was her name?
Happiness which was pain in the A. For source: click on the image
[HU]
"Régen minden jobb volt." Tényleg így volt, vagy csak az emlékeinkben él így?
Csak elmélkedek. Ebben a cikkben nem fogsz találni számokat és bizonyítékokat, csak filózokegy kicsit. Random s*t.
Egykor az erepublik sokkal népszerűbb volt. Szerintem leginkább azért, mert egyszerű volt, és nem ilyesztette el az új játékosokat a milliónyi fícsörökkel. A játékosok tették azzá ami, és mesterségesen tartalmat adtak a játéknak:
- századok
- kormányok pozíciók
- TO csapatok
- jó cikkek
- aktív chat szobák emberek százaival
- stb.
A harctér is tök egyszerű volt, de a stratégia élvezhetővé tette a háborúkat:
- perma block: két ország megakadályozhatta, hogy egy harmadik támadást indíthasson (ez mondjuk lehet rossz példa. Akkoriban ez is gáz volt...)
- Vissza lehetett vonulni a csatából, mely régió swapokra avagy régió cserére adott lehetőséget, és sokkal inkább együttműködésre ösztönözte az országokat, és egy kicsit felgyorsította az olykor unalmas játékmenetet.
Most minden benne van a játékban: PP, CO, TP, kormány pozíciók, MU-k, MU chat, jobb és több shout fal, állampolgárság, összetettebb harcmodul. Ezek amúgy mind jók (kivéve a TP, olvasd Julius posztjait róla, egyetértek vele). És szerintem a terep rendszer bebizonyította (ahogy korábban a Rising is), hogy ennél több bonyolultság már egy hatalmas NEM. Volt benne potenciál, de minden ország bizonsági játékra ment, mert túl sok energiát igényelt volna egy komoly startégia kidolgozása.
Vajon ezektől a fícsöröktől ellustultak az emberek? Miért kerültek előtérbe az egyéni célok jobban, mint korábban? Miért van több semmi, mint régebben?
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Ön szerint régen jobb volt az erep?
Igen!
Nem!
Már akkor is gáz volt.
Nem játszottam akkor.
Tartózkodom.
I don't like you, Plato. 🙁
plato a csacsi fájdalma
Things went bad when they started creating content for us like we are retarded.
Probably pivotal moment was the big rebellion when they refused to listen and banned everyone.
The new military module where a constant state of war exists (ie. no retreat, auto-attack) was their response and basically told us ''You have to fight even if you don't want to.''
I don't know who is she, but I would like to sleep with her once. This was my dream.
If i remember corretly covfefe knows her name.
Who let the dogs out? 3
who
So many years ago I was excited because I had a q1 weapon company. But now... There is no excitement factor now. There is no manu/land/const skill now. 🙁
V1 ❤
But I hear the first 90 days of beta were best
Few old articles talking about trivia in beta.
On the battlefield you had to answer trivia questions in pvp. But there was a lot of cheating (storing answers) so the questions was changed from time to time. I think it was too much work.
Tudom, a zindex egyesek még xperienced the trivia. Szar volt az is. Román kérdésekkel.
Because of Lana 200x300px +1
Individual P2W vs. Community and the game
BETA ❤
There were many children happily building castles in a shiny new sandbox. After some time, a cat named Plato decided to take a dump in the sandbox. When the children cried out, an angry playground attendant we shall call Beleea came and blamed the noisiest children and threw some of them out of the sandbox. He told the others, let that be a lesson to you! This is not a sandbox, this Plato's litter-box. And he proceeded to scoop the steaming turd out and replace the sand with clumping cat litter. The special children stayed and tried to build new castles even inviting new unsuspecting children to come play and have fun but they could not build those amazing sand castles from crumbly clumpy cat litter and they cannot rid the smell of cat dung from their dirty little hands.Some times older children return to their childhood sandbox and ask these children, why are you still playing with catsh*t? The special children know in their heart of hearts, some day this litter will be replaced with clean sand again. And there will again be PEACE AT HOME PEACE IN THE WORLD
I mean, I know I'm retarded and all but I enjoy pretending some good changes could still be made. Changing player attitudes will be the most difficult challenge and I'm not convinced they are willing to be changed.
words of wisdom 🙂
PRIDE POWER PAKISTAN
I love you. I love everybody.
Fight against Nothing!
PRIDE POWER /V/AKISTAN
DJOZIKE!
ÁLDASSÉK!
V1 battles required to just fight together in the last seconds to try to flip the wall, they didn't required a script to make you fight in 8 or more round even when you are not at home.
The downside were the bots, Poles in 2009 were still screaming Uhlans roaming the steppes, yet they reached 100k citizens on erep.
bc community and tits
Miért unalmasabb a játék?
1. Nincsenek például MU versenyek. Emlékezzetek milyen nagy dolog volt az, és 2-3 MU-ba léptek át az emberek. Mindenki számított és nem volt létszámlimit. Közösség kapta a jutalmat.
2. Ház és légiófegyóiparhoz nem kell, hogy az adott ország rendelkezzen ehhez szükséges bónusszal (csak egy holdingot kell mondjuk románban létrehozni 20-30 Goldért, és odarakni ezen cégeket. A munkást nem kell utaztatni, adózni semmit sem kell a régió tulajdonosához, mivel a termelt cucc a raktárunkba kerül)
A lényeg, hogy hiába hozták ezeket be, nem hajtja a hadügyet. Csak kizárólag a kaja és fegyó.
3. Mindenkinek kényelmesebb régiókat felszabadítani majd újra elfoglalni, mint a rohadt bonyolult szövetségi rendszerek miatt kialakult patthelyzet
miatt esélytelen háborúkat elindítani.
4. Uncsi a politikai modul
Ez a szegények (akik nem fizetnek IRL pénzt a játékra) játszótere, a politika és az újságírás.
I don't know how valid my opinion is, as I started with V3, and I never play games even remotelly similar to erep, but I'll throw in my two cents anyway, maybe some extra context will help somehow.
Erepublik was never a good game. Hell, I'd even go as far as not calling it a game. It's only redeeming feature compared to those other "online free to play strategy MMOs" is the theming. The only reason I even bother clicking those 4 buttons (the entirety of this game's gameplay) is because I'm somehow, somewhat helping a bigger cause. I'm not much of a Patriot IRL but it gives some satisfaction to deal your daily 25000 damage in that never ending war, it's inconsequencal, but still worth it somewhat.
Really if you think about it erepublik just simply isn't worth your time, and especially not your money. I don't know much about the people who play this game, or these kinds of games in general. But you gotta admit that there is hardly anything to do here.
Press the work button (0-3 times depending on what you are going for)
Press the train button
Optional: Sell the stuff you produced.
Optional: """Fight""", maybe just do the DO, maybe go for some medal
Optional: Write some stuff about how depressing this "game" is.
Tarot cards offer better gameplay than this. And I doubt that V1 or Rising was any different. There is almost no strategy involved, it takes a laughably short time to exhaust all of your possible actions, and even paying isn't enough to catch up. Your only chance to do anything in this games is to get a time machine and travel to 2007 and start training.
"But you don't need to be an important person! You just gotta be a cog in a well oiled machine, like IRL"
True, but you won't be a cog in this game if you aren't already one, you are expendable, you deal a laughable amount of damage, just think about it, if you'd recruit 1000 people in this game you still couldn't outdamage even a single Titan! Maybe not even me!
Cont. in the comments
Even then, what if you have a strong character, a million strenght, 100 factories 2000 gold and a connection in your country's egovernment. What can you do then?
The answer: not much. This game is a skinner box, you press a button, your numbers increase and then you come back the next day, that's it. The problem is it's not a very well made one. There is almost no sense of success, you fail constantly, nothing is worth it and you can't even speed up your progression significantly by paying up.
A "legend of the [insert country here]" is doing the exact same as lvl 3 Gabika2003 who started 4 days ago, just with bigger results. Maybe our whale has some power in the government but then what? The entire job of the government is designating what region to attack! There were clever workarounds the boredom long ago, like "big" players donating stuff to smaller ones through a state sponsored game, or chatroom, but in the end you just kinda click the Fight button and see the numbers go up (by a little or more)
There is practically no skill to speak of here. None. There is some knowledge, but once you know your way around the modules there isn't any thinking involved. To get a BH you don't test your reflexes against other players, you don't test your intelligence against them, you don't even test your spinelles backstabing tricks. You just have more energy bars and rockets.
Even if they'd bring back [insert V1 nostalgia here]. It would still foundementally be the same, repetitive, mindless, boring money sink as it is today, there is no way around it.
I can only think about 4 reasons why anyone would play this game.
1, Doesn't know any better. (Go play some paradox interactive games, or a real time strategy game, Starcraft Brood War is free and runs on a toaster too, you won't regret it.)
2, Played/Payed too much and won't quit (Perfect sign to quit if that's your only reason)
3, Nostalgia (Get over it)
4, Le ebin memes Xd djozike heheheheh.
Cont.
I think the company is the main reason why many players stay here. This now a social site.
I completely agree there is nothing to do in this game, not even for the biggest consumer players. The strong just become stronger, the weak just become weaker. The power relations are determined once and for all, and nobody can do anything about it, not even the admins. This game has ended a long time ago.
So how to save this mess?
Well, I'm no game designer so I won't be able to give any actually good advice, but in general: Don't.
This game is so fundamentally flawed that you can't save it, you can save the idea but not erepublik as we know it.
A total overhaul could work, but that'd upset approximately everyone, because removing strenght (one of the biggest factors in the problem) would also remove 9 years of work for a lot of people, and that's just scratching the surface.
A new game wouldn't upset people (well, as long as erep wouldn't be neglected), but I don't think it would catch on. This game was the first of it's kind, and nobody improved the formula, so even if the remnants of this game's playerbase would migrate, that new game would already be dying. The gaming market is horribly oversaturated, to fix the core issues with this game would probably result in something in a different genre.
(And even then, I'd bet a lot of you only play erepublik, and wouldn't like to suddenly move from clicking to playing a complex turn based tactics game, where you build your factories part by part)
There is the off chace that a big company for some reason does something similar, but I doubt it. It's risky and it may result in something no erepublik player would even touch.
I'd suggest abandoning ship, or seriously opening discussion among all players about why they got into the game (not just that a friend invited them, but what was the hook, that one time they got a BH, or made an article) to actually figure out why this game isn't a ghost town yet, and what new players like(d).
tldr: eRepublik never lost it's edge. It never had one in the first place.
(Ha kell megyar fordítás akkor szívesen megcsinálom csak írj pm-et.)
Uh accidentally replied to my reply, never really commented.
And aimeisan: yes, kinda. I'm not sure that eReplabs could ever have saved this game. If Valve (circa 2007) would suddenly take over they wouldn't be able to fix this.
It's a secret treehouse where old friends come back to talk and circlejerk, nothing more.
For the press module I blame players.When voters club and buy your media mogul for cc came the interest for writting good articles vanished, even if you wrote a good article it would have dissapeared before more people seeing it because of no content articles but bought votes.
Kevés a hívő!
ÁLDASSÉK!
Ne aggódj. Skizo az összes! Sokan vagyunk!
és van 10 euros pack 🙂
Na meg, az amikor ahhoz, hogy egy cikk TOP legyen nem 20-30 vote kellett, hanem 1000 körüli. Hm..
Lemorzsolódott a sok fék.
Upsz... rossz kariból :/
Hogy miért nem népszerű?
Egyszerű: Nézd meg ezt a grafikát. Az egész játék alig több, mint egy ősrégi levelezős játék, vagy egy táblás-kártyás (szerep)társas játék. Van 550 energiád mit csinálsz? Növeled az erőd? Dolgozol? Harcolsz? Erő növeléssel elvesztettél 10 (20, 30, ...) energiát. Munkával elvesztettél x energiát, kaptál kaját fegyvert, stb. Harc közben elveztettél y energiát, sebeztél akármennyit, kaptál pontot, ... Mit csinálsz? Újra harcoltál, elvesztettél, kaptál... Fel akarod tölteni az energiád? Akarsz venni...? Akarsz eladni? Csak nem levélben kapod az eredményt 1 hét múlva, hanem rögtön.
Persze itt van az újságírás, de az alig több, mint egy blog. Vagy alig se. Meg a politikai modul. De az elnökség, alig több, mint egy klánvezérség, a konga a klánvezetőség (diplomata, helyettes, hadifőnök, stb), a szövetség pedig klánszövetség (ellenségek, barátok, ...)
Ez sosem volt a "nép" játéka, ezért nem is lehet népszerű. Az emberek ma grafikát várnak el, akciót, látványt, és nem csak egy feliratot, hogy mi történt. És az egyszerű embernek régen is nehéz volt elmagyarázni, hogy mit is csinálok éppen (ütöm a falat), és hogy ebben tulajdonképpen mi is a jó. Olyan emberek, akik Maónika, meg Balázs, meg Djoezike show-t néznek, nem fognak idejönni. Soha nem is jöttek. És ők nagyon sokan vannak. Kell egy minimális kulturális szint ahhoz, hogy itt valaki kezdjen valamit. Nézzétek csak meg a kommenteket, cikkeket, akármiket. Ha van egy helyesírási hiba, akkor az vagy elütés, vagy szándékos. Tehát ez nem az ostobák játéka. (Nem is értem, hogy én hogy kerülök ide?)
Namármost: Olyan értelmes embert találni, aki az idejét egy ilyen grafika nélküli, béna, akció nélküli játékra szenteli, nem egyszerű feladat. Először, mert kevés van belőle. Másodszor, azt a keveset meg kéne találni valahol (reklám, stb), Harmadszor, ha már itt van, valahogy itt is kéne tartani.
Én már nagyon rég itt vagyok. Mindig játszottam közben más játékokat is, de nem nagyon akar jönni senki. Ez van.
Ne idealizáld már meg, hogy itt mind a társadalom entellektüellebb szűrt rétege van !
Te buzi! 🙂
Na, nesze nekem.
De most már értem!
Azért vagyok itt még mindig, mert (némi) nemi indentitászavarral küszködök!
Doktor úr, köszönöm!
Dögöljek meg, ha magamtól rájöttem vóna! 🙂