What About A Balkan Alliance?
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Before you start reading if you are not interested in history,or too bored to read go to the bottom of the article
and secondly don't just look at the picture and comment, if you wanna make a comment you HAVE to read the article AND the rest of the comments
Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians - Kingdom of Yugoslavia
With the end of World War I and the downfall of Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire the
conditions were met for proclaiming the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians in December of
1918. The Yugoslav ideal had long been cultivated by some intellectual circles of the
three nations but most influential Croatian politicians opposed the new state right from the
start. The Croatian Peasants' Party (HSS) slowly grew to become a massive party endorsing
Croatian national interests. Trying to match this challenge and prevent any further weakening
of the country, King Aleksandar I banned national political parties in 1929, assumed
executive power and renamed the country Yugoslavia. He hoped to curb separatist
tendencies and mitigate nationalist passions. However the balance of power changed in
international relations: in Italy and Germany Fascists and Nazis rose to power, and Stalin
became the absolute ruler in the Soviet Union. None of these three states favoured the policy
pursued by Aleksandar I. In fact the first two wanted to revise the international treaties
signed after World War I, and the Soviets were determined to regain their positions in Europe
and pursue a more active international policy. Yugoslavia was an obstacle for these plans and
King Aleksandar I was the pillar of the Yugoslav policy.
During an official visit to France in 1934, the king was assassinated in Marseilles by a member
of VMRO - an extreme nationalist organization in Bulgaria that had plans to annex territories
along the eastern and southern Yugoslav border - with the cooperation of the Ustashi - a Croatian
separatist organization. The international political scene in the late 1930's was marked by
growing intolerance between the principal figures, by the aggressive attitude of the
totalitarian regimes and by the certainty that the order set up after World War I is was losing
its strongholds and its sponsors were losing their strength. Supported and pressured by
Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, Croatian leader Vlatko Macek and his party managed the creation
of the Croatian banovina (administrative province) in 1939. The agreement specified that
Croatia were to remain part of Yugoslavia, but it was hurriedly building an independent
political identity in international relations.
Second World War
At the beginning of the 40's, Yugoslavia found itself surrounded by hostile countries. Except
for Greece, all other neighbouring countries had signed agreements with either Germany or Italy.
Hitler was strongly pressuring Yugoslavia to join the Axis powers. The government was even
prepared to reach a compromise with him, but the spirit in the country was completely different.
Public demonstrations against Nazism prompted a brutal reaction. Luftwaffe bombed Belgrade and
other major cities and in April 1941, the Axis powers occupied Yugoslavia and disintegrated it.
The western parts of the country together with Bosnia and Herzegovina were turned into a Nazi
puppet state called the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) and ruled by the Ustashe. Serbia
was occupied by German troops, but the northern territories were annexed by Hungary, and eastern
and southern territories to Bulgaria. Kosovo and Metohija were mostly annexed by Albania, which
was occupied by fascist Italy. Montenegro also lost territories to Albania and was then
occupied by Italian troops. Slovenia was divided between Germany and Italy, who also seized the
islands in the Adriatic.
Following the Nazi example, the Independent State of Croatia established extermination camps
and perpetrated an atrocious genocide, killing over 750 000 Serbs, Jews and Gypsies. This
holocaust set the historical and political backdrop for the civil war that broke out fifty
years later in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina and that accompanied the break-up of
Yugoslavia in 1991-1992.
The ruthless attitude of the German occupation forces and the genocidal policy of the Croatian
Ustasha regime generated a strong Serbian Resistance. Many joined the Partisan forces
(National Liberation Army headed by Josib Broz Tito) in the liberation war and helped the
Allied victory. By the end of 1944, with the help of the Red Army the Partisans liberated
Serbia and by May 1945 the remaining Yugoslav territories, meeting up with the Allied forces
in Hungary, Austria and Italy. Yugoslavian forces also assisted the Allies in freeing
Albania from occupation. Serbia and Yugoslavia were among the countries that had the greatest
losses in the war: 1 700 000 people (10.8% of the population).
During World War II, communist-led partisans waged a victorious guerrilla struggle against
foreign and Croatian fascists, and supporters of the prewar government. While the war was still
raging, in 1943, a revolutionary change of the social and state system was proclaimed with the
abolition of monarchy in favour of the republic. Josip Broz Tito became the first president of
the new socialist Yugoslavia, established as a federal state comprising six republics: Serbia,
Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia and Montenegro and two autonomous
regions - Vojvodina and Kosovo-and-Metohija. The two autonomous regions were an integral part of
Serbia. This led to the rebirth of Yugoslavia as a socialist federation under communist rule on
November 29, 1945.
Under the Communist Government of Josip Broz Tito
Under Josip Broz Tito, Yugoslav communists were faithful to orthodox Stalinism until a 1948
split with Moscow. At that time, a Soviet-bloc economic blockade compelled the Yugoslavs to
devise an economic system based on Socialist self-management. To this system the Yugoslavs
added a nonaligned foreign policy and an idiosyncratic, one-party political system. This
system maintained a semblance of unity during most of Tito's four decades of rule. The trend
to secure the power of the republics at the expense of the federal authorities became
particularly intense after the adoption of the 1974 Constitution that encouraged the expansion
of Croatian, Slovenian, Moslem and Albanian nationalism and secessionism. Soon after Tito's
death on 4 May1980 long-standing differences again separated the communist parties of the
country's republics and provinces.
When Marshal Tito, president of Yugoslavia, died on May 4, 1980, the representatives of 122
states, including an impressive array of world leaders, attended his funeral. He was almost
universally hailed as the last great World War II leader, the first communist to successfully
challenge Stalin, and the founder of "national communism." Above all else, Tito was praised as
the creator of modern Yugoslavia, the leader whose wisdom and statesmanship had united
Yugoslavia's historically antagonistic national groups in a stable federation.
The Communist Party came to power in Yugoslavia at the end of World War II after its Partisan
army fought not only German, Italian, and other occupiers but also fellow Yugoslavs in rival,
often quisling, military units. The Partisans were a multinational group (although Serbs
predominated in the first half of the war), as was the Communist Party. They advocated national
equality and a federal Yugoslavia in their propaganda. This helped them win the civil war
since their opponents were mostly nationalists who had followings only inside their own
national groups and whose extremism alienated large segments of the population.
After the war and throughout the Cold War, a triumphant Communist Party, with Tito at its
helm, claimed that it had once and for all solved the nationalities problem. Because
Yugoslavia collapsed after Tito's death, many--including West--believe that it was his genius
that kept it together. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Well that's some information i found on the internet.i was always of the opinion that the
break-up of yugoslavia was guided by the forces of NATO and other major countries. I sadly do
not know much about the real causes of this war but the only conclusion i can make is that the
united yogoslavians were too much to be controlled all as one nation. The ancient saying is "διαιρει και βασίλευε" = "divide and conquer" {alkiviadis 450bc-404bc}.
of course every opinion on this subject would be greatly apreciated and PLEASE I DON'T WANT THIS
ARTICLE TO BE THE CAUSE OF FIGHTS IN THE COMMENTARIES. Every unacceptable comment is going to be
reported.
And now to the real cause of the article.
I feel it's preety stupid to fight one another (especially greeks and serbians) when the
formation of an alliance between the balkan countries could even lead to coquering the whole
e-world. They were afraid the united slavs, do you even imagine what an alliance of that size
could do to this game?
Let us not forget that Serbia - Greece -croatia- Bulgaria - FYROM (sorry me friends i'm greek
and i cannot call you otherwise, it is not in my belief neither i think it is historically
approved) - croatia are some of the superpowers in this game called erepublik . i may be
forgeting some countries and sorry about that , it is not my intend to do so.
For some of my readers it may seem quite a good idea in others it may seem unacceptable.
PROS
It will be good because if formed it would be an ustoppable forced matched only by the rest of
the e-world if they can unite (and i don't know if that is possible)
It we be good because it will let us know each other better, let us solve our differences in a quiet way.
It wil be good because the game will not make circles every 4-5 or even 8 months. the quest
will be, qoncuer the world
Last and most important a balkan alliance would be at the top of its respective foodchain. With no natural enemies bordering the countries and no competion between them this balkan alliance would really have no copetitor on the whole e-map. the other alliances would become much weaker beacuse of the leave of their greater powers and and i don't think that the whole e-world united could have a chance against that.
And don't forget fear is an emotion induced by a perceived threat which causes entities to quickly pull far away from it and usually hide.
I would also like to talk about respect but i really don't think that it would be of much use in this game
AND CONS
It won't be good because the mightiest country will want to be the boss
It won't be good because such a strong aliance would be too much for the egos of the players
seeing that they cannot be as strong as their comrades
It won't be good because much countries are going to need to leave their former allies witch
have much helped them with millions or even billions of influence in previous wars
Another option
Of course it could be proposed the idea to allow allies such us Turkey and argetina for greece Or
poland for Serbia to enter the alliance..Well, i don't know it is just i thought i had
the last few days and to be honnest i don't think it can be made.
But hey man it's just a though of a man who is less that 2 months in the game. It's just an
article that even minutes after it's publishing could go down..
Anyway,sorry for the size of it and i sincerely thank everyone that even tried to read it... it
was big and took a lot of hours to write it.
I would also like to note that i am not a member of any goverment or any political party, these are my thoughts and no-one elses
And always remember it's just a game, play and enjoy, don't let it get the real life
out of you. Go have fun watch footall do some sports and get the hell away from the long hours
you spend here
P.S. I WON'T TOLERATE ANY FIGHTS IN THE COMMENTS, ANY COMMENT WITH CURSES OR SO WILL BE
REPORTED
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nice article
ΠΟΤΕ ΜΑΖΙ ΜΕ ΤΑ ΣΚΟΠΙΑ !!!
εγω παλι δεν πιστευα οτι ειναι δυνατον να ειμαστε με τους τουρκους.. ολες οι ιδεες καλοδεχουμενες
eno mporeis na mas fantasteis me ta skopia?
με τους τουρκους εχουμε εχθρα απο το 500 προ χριστου. αν υπηρχουν αυτοι στη συμμαχια, νομιζω πως ακομα και οι σκοπιανοι ειναι καλοδεχουμενοι. αλλα οπως εγραψα και στο αρθρο, ολα αυτα ειναι επινοησεις των μεγαλων δυναμεων για να διασπανουν την ενωτητα των χωρων της νοτιοανατολικης ευρωπης.
τα σκοπια γινονται δεκτα μονο αν ειναι τα εδαφη τους στην κατοχη μας !!! με το ονομα μακεδονια και σημαια τον ηλιο της βεργινας ΠΟΤΕ !!!
σε αυτα τα 2 δε μπορω να συμφωνησω περισσοτερο
Υπήρχαν Τούρκοι το 500 π.Χ ;
περσες, ιδια ρατσα ειναι
oxi den einai
Tι ειπες πιο κατω? Οτι με τους τουρκους εχουμε εχθρα απο το 500 προ Χριστου? Ας ανοιξουμε κανα βιβλιο!
οι τουρκοι ειναι αραβες ...
Οι Τούρκοι προέρχονται από την Μογγολία.
νικολαε η ροη του λογου σου ειναι βασισμενη στην επισημη ιστορια,και καλως αναφερεσαι σε αυτην ωστε να ξεκαθαρισουν καποιοι στον μυαλο τους καποια σημαντικα ζητηματα.Αλλα το σφαλμα στον σχολιασμο σου,οτι οι Περσες με του Τουρκους και δη τους Οθωμανους ειναι μια ρατσα με κανει να σκεφτομαι πως το αρθρο σου εχει κοπιαριστει...αν γνωριζες την ιστορια καθως την ευαγγελιζεσαι δεν θα υπεκυπτες σε τετοια λαθη.
κοιτα απο τα λιγα που ξερω για την ιστορια τους , οι τουρκοι εκδιώχθηκαν απο τους κινεζους (η καποια αλλη φυλη εκει δε θυμαμαι) γυρω στο 700 μετα χριστον. ιδια ρατσα λεγοντας εννοω τις περιοχες εκεινες απο τη σημερινη αγκυρα και πισω , μεχρι τον ινδο ποταμο. δεν ειμαι ιδιαιτερος γνωστης της αυτου ιστοριας και για αυτο γραφω και στο αρθρο καθε αποψη ειανι ευπροσδεκτη. απο ελληνικη ιστορια ξερω αρκετα θεωρω για μηχανολογος. εχω διαβασει ηροδοτο θουκιδιδη και ξενοφωντα. τωρα απο εκει και περα ολες οι αποψεις ευπροσδεκτες παντα. κοπια ειναι αλλα διαβασα αρκεα αρθρα μεχρι να καταληξω στο πιο κατα την δικια μου αποψη σωστο . βασικ;α , ολο το ιστορικο σκετος ειναι παρμενο απο 5 αρθρα συνολικα και ασχοληθηκα με πολυ περισσοτερα. προσπαθησα να επιλεξω τα πιο αντικειμενικα
παλι εχεις λαθος αδερφε και σορρυ.δεν διωχτηκαν απο τους κινεζους,αντιθετα συνυπηρξαν μαζι τους και πηραν και το ονομα τους απο αυτους.ΤΟΥΚΙΟΥ στα κινεζικα θα πει αυτος με την περικεφαλαια.Οι τουρκοι,ηταν νομαδικοι κατοικοι της κεντρικης ασιαας,συγγενικη φυλη με τους μογγολους και μακρινοι συγγενεις των κινεζων.αποθηθηκαν εν μερει απο τους κινεζους οταν αυτοι εκλεισαν τα συνορα τους σε ολα τα φυλα της στεπας.το πρωτο τουρκικο φυλο που ηρθε στα μερη μας ηταν οι σελτζουκοι περιπου στα 800μχ.Οι ιρανοι απο την αλλη εχουν αλλη καταγωγη.ειναι περσες,που ειναι αρχαιος λαος,ανανεμειγμενοι με σημιτες αραβες που ειναι παλι αρχαιος λαος.καμια απολυτως σχεση δεν εχουν,ουτε φυλετικα,ουτε γλωσσολογικα ουτε πολιτιστικα με τους τουρκους.καλο θα ειναι οταν γραφεις αρθρα ιστορικου ενδιαφεροντος να μελετας λιγο τι λες γιατι το λες και με ποια λογικη το λες.
μπορεί να έχεις δίκιο, δεν ξέρω να σου απαντήσω.
όπως και να έχει. στο αρθρο δεν ανεφερα πουθενα την τουρκια , μονο στο γεγονοσ οτι σαν συμμαχος μας σε αυτο το παιχνιδι μπορει να εισελθει σε μια πιθανη νεα συμμαχια. οτι ξερω για την τουρκια το εμαθα στο σχολειο και κατι λιγα διαβαζοντας αριστερα δεξια.
είδες καμμία ιστορική αναφορά στην τουρκία στο άρθρο μου?αλήθεια τώρα. στο σχολιασμο ναι αλλα επισης σου λεω δεν ειμαι γνωστης επι του θεματος επακριβως
δεν γινεται να υπαρξει αυτη η συμμαχια.εχει ξαναειπωθει στο παρελθον
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απο τα πιο ωραία άρθρα που έχω δεί τελευταία
ahahahhahahahhahaha NO!
Croatia will never be a friend of Serbia
Greece will never be TRUE friend of Turkey. You must to understand that. Even I know that this idea is impossible (I'm Ukrainian)
i agree but really, look, we already have an allince with turkey, it's just a game
Ofcourse. But we have alliance with Turkey only because of EDEN. Greece could never proposed Turkey as allie, if it wasn't EDEN country.
This is a game, but players are humans, who live in real life.
turkey and greece are already became allies and together they are the most important power of eden, there are more import problems between serbia and turkey alliance, bulgaria and turkey and of course crotia serbia...
Unfortunately, I have to claim that combination of Greece/Turkey made alliance quite good. Indeeed very flexible.
Moreover, I see that in-game the RL-issue is not so strong as in RL, because of clever policy by both sides. Yes, sometimes this is a good reason for starting a new war, but for this purpose we have Bulgurrrrrs and FYROMs....
Even me (semi-Ukrainian, semi-Greek) understand this.
ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΣΕΡΒΙΑ ΕΝΑΝΤΙΩΝ ΟΛΩΝ
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not vote ...sub kai unsub.... i idea exei ξαναειπωθει στο παρελθον. atopo
apapapapa prosexe file giati sti fotografia to xeri to elliniko einai dipla apo afto tou skopianou kai paizei edo mesa na sou kopsoun to diko sou xeri 😛
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Γαμάτο όνομα !!! ο παππούς πρώτος και καλύτερος κ ακολουθούν 176-617,176-176,176-167,176-761.176-716,176-671 χαχαχαχα
too long aq : P
Batter than EDEN.
ΠΟΤΕ ΜΑΖΙ ΜΕ ΤΑ ΣΚΟΠΙΑ !!!
Προσωπική άποψη.
Ρίξτο πριν το δουν πολλοί!
δεν γινεται να υπαρξει τετοια συμαχια
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If you had read & understood the historical introduction to your article you should have concluded that such combination cannot end well.
maybe you are right, it is just a thought mate. . too ghood to be true...
not possible as long greece is supporting turkey
very strongly agreed!!!!!
Πολύ καλή προσπάθεια αλλά τελείως εκτός θέματος...ρίξτο πριν το δει κόσμος
You ask from us to expel our "real"-thoughts of how we see our neighbors. In reality this is not possible!!
BUT, In a virtual game , if we can manage to put aside our "real" complex we have in our brains,your thought may be performed..
You forget one "little" thing.
The "motivation" force of the game is the national banners.Banner=flag.We play for the flag. We fight for the flag. We "burn" money for the flag. The flags though belonging to a virtual reality.
If you are able to find players ,who are in such a state of mind, so they can separate reality from virtuality, then you have 1 in a billion chance to succeed.
Daring article...
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Turkey=Balkan?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
to tell the truth i could not find a picture. i was searching for more than a hour for just one picture... of course it is not in the balkans
παλι λαθος.και ψαρωνεις απο το αλφαδι που ειναι τρολ κακιστης ποιοτητας.η τουρκια πολιτιστικα ανηκει στα βαλκανια.και αυτο λογω της οθωμανικης της κληρονομιας.οι οθωμανοι ουσιαστικα συνεχισαν και ανεπτυξαν την εννοια των βαλκανιων,αφου κατω απο την αυτοκρατορια τους(σ υνεχιζοντας στα βηματα των βυζαντινων)ζουσαν πολλοι διαφορετικοι λαοι,οι οποιοι μοιραστηκαν ηθη εθιμα και κοινες πολιτιστικες αντιληψεις.με τους βαλκανικους πολεμους αυτη η συνοχη διασπαται σε εθνη κρατη.ενα απο αυτα ειναι η τουρκια.η οποια ιστορικα και πολιτισμικα ανηκει στα βαλκανια και ως τετοια μνημονευεται.αυτα λεει η επιστημη της ιστοριας,η εθνολογια και η λαογραφια.θα βρεθουν ενα καρο ντουγανια που θα πουν χιλιες δυο πιπιπαρες.