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Huh, didn't think I'd be so high up. That's pretty cool.

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far below the mean and the median

you spent a good number of weeks having not fought in the air, so collecting 0. When you do fight, you could catch up decently well.

yes, true. I'm still working at keeping my exp low to earn as much gold as I can before I break Lvl70, but once I go over, I'll be dishing it out in air.

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Thanks o7

At best, this program is for a few already-established players who never needed the money nor the incentive to level up to dip their fingers in tax money. At worst, it is theft of the Canadian treasury with the hopes that the more people that would steal, the greater the optics that they could be absolved of their crime.

Likewise, regular reporting of the theft does not constitute legitimate ownership. If I stole your car and sent you its new mileage every month, that doesn't absolve me of stealing the vehicle in the first place.

-Over 20 million in tax revenue (38% of the total money distributed) went to just ten people. It is an outrage that ten players got a payout of 2 million in taxes for simply playing the game like the rest of us.

-5.5 million in tax revenue (11% of the total money distributed) went to the "administrators" of the program.

-3 million went to players who are now dead accounts, and 6 million went to players who are now not even eCanadian citizens anymore. Giant waste of money.

-The party that received the most funds: CPF. Over 15 million (29% of the total money distributed) went to CPF party players. Double the amount of the second and third-place parties.

This is and has always been an elitist program stealing from eCanadian citizens to benefit a few self-entitled players, plain and simple.

The tax burden on eCanadians are relatively low and cannot be lowered any further by game mechanics. The average citizen would pay WAM and VAT, ie if you have a lot of companies in Canada and if you buy off of the Canadian market, and earning medals. Currently WAM is at 1% or $32 per work and VAT at 1%. eCanadians aren't paying 500k/week in taxes towards the our treasury. Because of 100% weapons bonus, we have attracted some foreign investors that pay into our treasury as they WAM in Canada.

Most of our tax revenues come from concessions, namely air and food. Higher air or housing production benefits even fewer eCanadians as most of us would not have these companies. Local food production would have an impact on most eCanadians.

We have two food concessions: Serbia and Estonia. Serbia has a much larger GDP and would bring in more revenue. Estonia, I'd have to number crunch to compare the cost-benefits. (I might as well number crunch Serbia when I'm at it, if I remember to do so.)

Your qualms are with the distribution of wealth rather than taxation of eCanadians. Game mechanics literally cannot allow us to tax citizens any less. Any suggestions on how you'd like to see 500k/week to be spent? Flat payouts? National food & weapons programs? Media/publishing program? Anyone interested in administering it?
Concession rental for food industry could be the easiest way of benefiting the majority of eCanadians & spending money for the sake of spending with minimal effort in administration. As for the net benefit, it's likely less efficient as direct cash in people's pockets.

Other government spending programs would be epic creation payouts which exclusively pays out to stronger accounts, with the goal that weaker accounts can benefit from the double PP from epics, and one-off programs were food manufacturing rebate and subsidized Q7 weapons when markets fluctuated significantly from events. Idk if I'm missing any.

Arguments can be made that the active/elitist are responsible for Resource wars & foreign affairs are the reason why eCan can generate so much income. Similar to how large companies or projects get tax incentives in a town or city to employ the local community. Rising tide lifts all boats. HAP rewards the active and the active are what keeps eCan going beyond a ghost town.

You covered most of it there. We also have a program, not very well known, that pays for the love button when it comes around (Valentines Day). That's a minimal cost, I think 300k per year.

I would say, foxfire, those you are accusing with your numbers are also the ones, if you look at the weekly recaps, that are doing the kills to back it up. The Hot Air Program has very particularly laid out guidelines on how you are paid. If you want to make it rich like the elite, since you call it that, then you just need to sign up for the program and fight in the air.

I also added in the average weekly payment. There are some citizens who have only been part of the program for a short period but come away with a lot of money because they knew how to use the system. Every eCanadian can do the same, if they so wish.

You accuse the program of failing because it pays out to currently dead citizens and players who have left to other countries. How are we supposed to know who will quit and who will not. It pays out to Canadians while they are active Canadians. That's all we can gauge. If we don't pay out because someone might quit, we might as well shut the program down.

Foxfire, you don't like the program, and that's fair. It isn't a perfect program and it has it's drawbacks. I would be interested to see your opinion on what program you would institute that would pay out the funds eCanada collects. As mentioned above by Mary, we collect a lot of money, most of which isn't likely paid by eCanadians. I'm certain you wouldn't advocate for no programs to pay money and for just letting the country build up a stockpile of cash.

I look forward to your constructive response. Feel free to have these discussions in congress as well, as you are a member of congress, and they are the one's who approved Hot Air Program, so they are the ones that can shut it down and replace it.

I'm never going to convince the individuals who capitalized on the very program they utilized and created to engross themselves with their incredible level of greed. It's clear from their own comments here that concepts like fair and equitable distribution of wealth are inconceivable. Nor simple restraints like player caps on the amounts of money distributed to single players before it could even approach the obscene amount at has been likewise foreign concepts beyond their imagining. That the money was there to take appears to be the beginning and the end of it for their lack of creativity and loyalty to the eCanadian people. I will continue to stand with and for the average eCanada player that works on their account daily and doesn't enjoy open-door access to the treasury that this little elitist group feels they are entitled to.

All of those things are outlined here pretty clearly tbh Fox.

I'm very curious to hear your ideas on how to improve the current programs or creation of new ones that bring greater equity and fairness to all citizens in your view. As I'm currently in congress and was an early player in the game but left for a long time, only having returned shy of a year ago, I was not involved in the creation of any of these programs and found myself learning what the programs were by those who had dedicated more time and energy than I have into running eCanada. I don't mind change if it produces better results and propels eCanada forward. Although I'm not one of the administrators of any of these programs, nor am I one of the "elites" who benefit the most, I find myself enjoying the proportional payoff for the efforts invested. My understanding is that the game mechanics have it that stronger players get stronger, so I would likely never catch up to the "elite" because that's just how the game mechanics work. But the programs created also provide me with some incentives and benefits using eCanada treasure and taxes that I also paid into for working and running companies. To me, this has been a workable model - not perfect, but workable.

In addition, I appreciate the hard work that goes in by those "elites" who have paid their dues in time and effort. I don't have the luxury to put in the time that they do, so instead of complaining about what doesn't work, I offer gratitude and appreciation for what they do to keep eCanada going so that I can leech some fun in the midst of a busy life. The amount of effort, the spreadsheets to keep, the constant updating and timing of things, all takes effort. Anyone offering appreciation to these fine eCanadians for a job well done? Or even simple gratitude for keeping things running even if the systems are not perfect?

Politics is at its worst when people complain at those doing the work and point out problems and issues but do not lift a finger to offer any real workable solutions for consideration. If you want to see eCanada improve, then we're on the same page. I don't have any new ideas, would you like to offer some?

Party membership has nothing to do with the payout formula so it is completely irrelevant other then the party has the most active members

You do know $20 real dollars equals about 1 million CC in this game? Theft? Who would even bother.

This program adds some fun. If I needed CC I would buy someone a pack or tokens for chump change. I don't need to be a thief. So f off.

this is pretty cool!

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Pretty cool, almost missed this article.

https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/hot-air-program-year-1-year-2-summaries-2761338/1/20

Here are the Year 1 & Year 2 kills/payouts breakdown separately.

How can you sign up for this program?

The program runs for four weeks, then a new registration article is posted. You must comment in then registration article, and then you'll be added.

It's pretty simple, and highly rewarding

https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/hap-registration-article-xxviii-2763774/1/20