[TTH] Why I left the eUS Forum
Franklin Stone
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There are many reasons I hate the eUS Forums, not the least of which is it gives control over game taxes to an outside group most of whom don't even play eRepublik anymore. Yes, I place a huge amount of blame on the 'Bully Boys', however, there is someone I blame even more. Plato.
Yes, Plato and his updates. Starting with the roll back of eRepublik Rising. That to me is the single biggest blunder he ever made, listening to his Plastic Cowboy citizens who are either long gone or have stopped buying. Second to that would have to be the ill conceived and poorly executed eRepublik Forum. For starters where the puke is the PRIVATE Congressional Subforums for each country? Had these forums been better supported outside forums such as the eUS Forums -which allows 19 citizens who barely play eRepublik to rule the game would not exist. Another was instead of basing elections on regions they became based on easily controlled parties were the Party President sets their Congressional Slate.
So just off the top of my head here are a few more.
Reason One: eUS Constitution and Congressional Principles
'I. Governing Principle:
The two branches of government are the Executive and Congress. The branches conduct themselves based on how they and the Code define their internal and external procedures.
II. Congressional Principles:
1. Congress shall organize itself as it sees fit.
2. Congress controls the nation's money, holds authority and responsibility over allocation of tax revenue, and shall take under advisement expert opinion from the executive and military.
3. Any citizen or organization receiving funds from congress should employ those funds as indicated in the budget or funding request approved by congress.
4. In the case the eUS has no regions and there will be no in game congress, a shadow congress shall be created. Each party will keep the same number of congress members as they received the previous month. The Party President of each non-PTO Top 5 Party will create a list of their members to be given congressional access. Congress will then continue as it normally would.'
This reason is the most important and the so called first Congressional Principle is the most harmful to America. That one sentence allows the eUS Forum Cabal to do as they please and is the most cited reason for doing something no one else supports.
The second Principle allows the meta-government to request $4 million dollars every ten days or $12 million every month to be added to a Reserve that is in the 10's of millions of dollars.
Principle #3 isn't even followed by the very body whose principle it is and who placed themselves in charge of taxes. They refuse to even account for funding given to the Department of Citizen Affairs let alone account for millions stashed away in the accounts of private citizens instead of placing it in a publically viewable account like the Congressional Budget Office organization.
Principle #4 allows the meta-government to do exactly what they have done currently...to create a 'Shadow Government'. Sure we are not wiped but 2 of the Top 5 parties have walked out declaring they will not abide by meta-congressional rules. Pretty sure this Principle will be the one used to defend what they have done.
Reason Two: Meta-Congress
In the most recent Congressional election, 55 citizens were elected to Congress. Only 19 bothered to sign in -one member was counted twice- which is how they set the quorum at 11. 19 out of 20 from the BSP and SFP elected to walk out of Congress. Which means 18 members from the Feds/USWP/WTP did not sign in. 9 of the Feds 15 elected members showed up. 6 of the 13 USWP members and 2 of the 7 from the WTP and 1 member of the BSP also signed in. That is 18 of 35 elected to Congress by the Fed/USWP/WTP Cabal...that is 18 no shows -almost half their elected delegation.
My question is, 'Are the 18 no shows multis or just citizens who simply wanted to get 5 gold without earning it or are they being paid to simply not show up on the eUS Forums?'
So right now through the meta-government America is being ruled by 19 citizens. Those 19 citizens aren't even a majority of those elected to Congress let alone a majority of Americans.
'1.1: Quorum
1.11: Definition of a Quorum
A Quorum, the minimum number of votes necessary for any measure to become law whether those votes are “yes” votes, “no” votes, or abstentions.
1.12: Requirement for Quorum to have been deemed reached
Quorum size shall be based on a weekly sign-in thread on the forum -a quorum. If the number of sign-ins is odd, then quorum is half that number rounded up to the nearest integer. If the number of sign-ins is even, then quorum is half that number plus 1.'
Currently, the quorum is set by the above meta-government rule which creates something, not in game mechanics -a quorum. This entire section should be stricken from the Constitution but at least instead of the quorum being set by those who show up if it was automatically set at half of those elected to Congress -in this case, that would have been 28- then it would force parties to run candidates who are going to at least show up for sign-in and votes if they do nothing else.
Reason Three: Censure and Blacklist
Permanent Congressional Blacklist
Both of these are forms of Congressional punishment and serve no other purpose than to run citizens out of Congress. Censure is the least offensive since most times it is only for the remainder of a members term. Blacklisting is used to remove citizens from participating in the Meta-Congress permanently. It is how the eUS Forum Cabal has managed to create laws which allow 19 of them to rule America. Even some of the most prominent members of that Cabal are against Blacklisting and yet it happens almost monthly. This took place in the current Meta Congress, [VOTE] Blacklist Phil Harmony. IMO this was accomplished because the quorum was set so low and done at a time when America is led by a 'Congressional Majority' which isn't even half of Meta-Congress let alone a majority of America citizens.
Reason Four: Leadership
Terrible leadership like ex-President Pfeiffer Period who defected to the enemy during a national crisis and who -when America was invaded- fought against American Troops in American Core Regions, who then circumvented IES by sneaking his citizenship through using a Congressional Member to rubber stamp it in the dead of night. Leaders who condone homophobic, racial, sexist attacks on anyone who stands against them. Leaders like Gnilraps, who I recently accused of inciting Revolution and basically turning his back on the in-game majority who elected him Country President as a Socialist Freedom Party member on a 'No Dictator for a month' platform.
It is well known the SFP was and still is against Dictatorships of any kind including the Dictatorship of the eUS Forum especially since it resides outside eRepublik. Gnilraps, in order to obtain the endorsement of his own party, campaigned on a platform that was not accepted by the eUS Forum Cabal of the Feds/USWP. However, the in-game voting majority elected Gnilraps and almost immediately after the election, a Revolution was started by Bear Cavalry. That very same day proceedings were started to Blacklist any who took part in the revolt in any manner to include finical support of the revolting Military Unit. Since the Bear Cavalry received the generous support of the members of SFP many who supported the BC were Blacklisted -including Party President Jude Connors- for their finical support of BC prior to the revolt.
There was even a discussion about impeaching Gnilraps, that is until he publicly crawfished his way out by turning his back on the in-game voting majority and the very party who got him elected. Was this a backroom political move to essentially Blacklist an entire party? You would have to ask Gnilraps that question but the optics to me would seem to indicate that yes this was a move by the Dictatorial eUS Forum Cabal to get an entire party who they strongly disagree with Blacklisted.
Sorry but that is not leadership.
Since I have always encouraged partaking of all game features at your disposal I want to encourage those 1000+ citizens to join the Revolution and get out the vote!
Help us change the American culture of Bullyism!
Vote Socialist Freedom Party
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People will ignore this on hate on it, but I think this is the answer a lot of people were asking about. I think each of us has different reasons for disliking to forums, and while people may not agree with Frank's reasons, I hope they can empathize from where he comes from. Good stuff dude.
CHS is literal thread cancer. He is incapable of discussing any issue not of his choosing, and always makes it about the same three gripes (unwarranted gripes, at that) he's harped on for years.
He's wholly ineffective and has never built even minority support behind his anger. He is the poster boy for the failure of the 'modern' SFP.
The forum does a job effectively, and anyone who has a problem with it is at their core simply upset because they are not in charge. You can stamp your feet and be angry and live in an echo chamber if you stay in game or live only on a party forum, but that isn't possible on the national forum...and that's why they're upset.
Which makes perfect sense. Losing over and over for 5+ years must truly be frustrating. But that doesn't make the system a failure, it makes their cause a failure.
Is Pfeiffer so triggered that the forum is falling apart before his eyes? 😛
The core of the forum is intact, and we have grown beyond only being about eRep, but you wouldn't know that because you have never joined the conversation.
The problem I have withy the eUSA forums is that the hatred and trolling is far beyond what I can endure. It is good that the eUSA forums is bigger than eRepublik, but at least it is important when it is the official forums for eRepublik to play serious and to be attractive (the more because eRepublik itself is in not that good state).
So in short I disagree with that the congress part of eUSA foruums dopes it job efficient. maybe you think it is efficient when people like me and Ilene do not want to visit it any more. I know a lot more good people that decided the same. I think it is a loss for eUSA, but no problem when you think that is OK.
I think some people equate not being listened to as not being heard.
Those people should grow up.
"The core of the forum is intact,"
can you tell another, bigger lie, Pfeiffer?
I had a good idea for a non-dictatorship month. Even then I publicly admitted that I was personally pro-dictatorship, but - kind of like you do when you're playing a game - I thought up something new.
The true reason I was elected to CP that month is that I received a massive influx of multi votes from Colin and Josh. I didn't go looking for them. I wasn't "offered" them. I was simply told about them. Colin and Josh won that election, not the eUSA public. That is the truth that has never been told.
Anyway, It was also during a month that I was barely playing eRep. If you recall, nobody expected us to actually WIN. It was a "protest campaign". Ask the elitist cabal how many times I logged into IRC during that month of CP... The correct answer: 0. I literally didn't give a crap about eRep that month and was mostly pissed about having to be CP.
So spin your wild and stupid tales. They just marginalize you as a Tin Hat Ghost Hunter.
I remember a number of "HURRY UP FOOL?" text messages. Good times.
If those multi votes actually won the election and you didn't want to be CP, why didn't you ask for impeachment yourself? Even when you didn't gave a crap about eRepublik that month at least the one that got the real vote is stolen his presidency. I think it was better been published about those multi votes because fair play is the most important I think.
I agree totally with you about playing a game. Something new can be the reason.
Here goes Gnil, the biggest double faced elitist liar!
Pfeiffer must be proud of you!
I actually only accepted the SoS position assuming you would lose, and then ran for President because I thought I was the only one calm enough to settle things down.
And then we were invaded and lost all our money. How could you, Gnil.
Well written. Speaking as a former congressman and one of the defenders shot down in the invasion of the eUS, it was a bit glossy of the behind the scenes fights, sniping, vexations, and hate... followed by children in control locking others out of the playground by banning and comment blocking. I wonder if some of those 'no shows' at votes were actually people blocked from forums... as I was.
P.S. IMO: Those missing tax funds were/are used for Whale creation and I still don't think they will ever make their way back to the game. Whales were saying that the money was being stockpiled for defense... when I asked for an accurate accounting of stockpiled funds, and asking how much was needed, I was told to f*ck off and after a couple of more times, blocked and told I was blacklisted for treason against the Shadow Congress. Then the empty threats began. OOooooooooo.
You were not told that, and there are no 'missing funds'.
"Anyone can get access to the Congressional boards upon election. Anyone can chime in on public discussions, all members can do so in private."
Unless your pig-cabal blacklists us. Like you did to my comrades Hoss and many more!
Anyone can register for the forum. Anyone can get access to the Congressional boards upon election. Anyone can chime in on public discussions, all members can do so in private.
A very small group of players have lost the ability to access the private areas of Congressional discussion, because the body has deemed actions they've taken as citizens or congressmen to be directly in opposition to the programs and activities used to defend the country.
If you had some problem accessing the forum, that's an entirely different discussion, and very likely an issue on your end. But no 'children' are in control of anything, nor are they stopping anyone from joining the discussion.
The discussions itself are stopping people to be a part in it. When you think BSP and SFP are only frustrated because they are not in control you are wrong too. Maybe the people in charge on the forums are not children, but at least a lot act like children in my opinion. I know I am too serious, so it is my problem. 😉
Glass houses, Niemand.
I think that BSP and SFP would be more than content with things as they are if they got what they wanted. It isn't as if they are the pinnacle of professionalism. I mean, have you met their respective 'leadership' members?
Yes Pfeiifer, I have met lots of members of SFP and several members of BSP who are leading these parties. Although I do not agree with all what they say (that would be impossible because they differ in opinions and also because I have my own ideas) but I do agree with their dislike of eUSA forums. You are right about that not all are professional, but that can be said about the members of other parties too (including those who have leading positions).
I do not mind about glass houses (I am Dutch) but I am not a stone thrower I think.
OK, once I approved a non IES approved citizen to be "blacklisted" from the eUSA forums. However they didn't want to "blacklist"me, so I stayed away. 😉
I've personally witness threats to censure Arrden, for asking what's in the reserve.
background?
What background do you need?
Can you be more specific? Lots of backgrounds could be referenced.
Sounds like he was asking for a citation.
Sorry, but I'm not going back there.
You are right! SFP and URSA FI!
I stand behind comrade Frank and support his fight against bthe double-faced pig-disgusting meta-cabal till victory!
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In Portugal was 4.20 am....
correction 5.20am.... early stilll
How many times does one have to spew the same falsehoods and half-truths before they start believing it like Frankie does?