[MoF] Tax Plan Update and Looking to the Future
New Ireland Bank
Tax Plan Update and Looking to the Future.
As many of our senior players know the Ministry of Finance is tasked with establishing tax rates and advising the Dail (Congress) with the best plan for Ireland's interests. I ask today that our TDs discuss the questions I present here and move to implement the recommended plan in accordance with the published schedule.
To reiterate, this plan aims to accomplish the following:
--Adjust funding to meet the needs of the country.
--Maintain or increase our current level of income to fund MPPs
--Stabilize our Economy
--Equalize the tax burden among our citizens
--Allow room for reactionary adjustments based on income trends
Please see Here for information about how our current tax levels were established.
Note: Currently ALL Tax Income to the System Treasury goes to pay for MPPs.
This money is crucial to our survival.
Note 2: The current state of the monetary market is dismal. In fact, it's the lowest profit opportunity this year so far and well below historical standards. That being said my deputies and I are pushing hard to reach our investment goals. Once this is attained we will move out of growth mode into spending and be able to supplement country expenses.
Note 3:
We generally expect to see a population and activity surge about this time each year. The more of us there are around the more we will be able to share the tax burden. We should adjust accordingly.
And Now the Numbers
To evaluate our current position I took the treasury levels back through July to establish a rate then added MPP expenses back in to show a true income trend. I also marked the dates where the tax levels change
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An increase in income is noticeable with the increases in Work Tax. The original level of 18% that was converted from the old Income Tax gave us a huge jump but I don't believe this level is sustainable for our economic success. Once the VAT was moved to 15% we saw a slight increase but not enough to allow us the funding we need. We have to be careful with VAT because each increase makes our goods more expensive on the market. At a certain point we will effectively price ourselves out of the International market.
Import Tax has never been en effective revenue generator for our small country. Most international traders will not bother to buy an import license to our small country. Our Income Tax is only used to allow enough protection to our domestic producers but not too high so that we have no options in a crisis.
So this leaves Work Tax as our only option to increase funding.
So I ask Congress:
How many MPPs do we need to meet our Foreign Affairs and Defense goals?
Here are the options:
In last months' Dail thread we established that 10 MPPs would meet Ireland's immediate needs.
I ask for an immediate proposal to Reduce Work Tax to 4%.
I will be working with the new congress to further develop our MPP goals and budgetary requirements.
Please note that these numbers are based on a limited sample and only 1% and 5% have been tested. A work tax higher than 5% may cause fewer manager to work in their companies which will cause a reduction in the collected tax.
I know that the business interest in the country have issues with the work tax. Believe me, I get it. This is a balancing act. If you feel you can no longer afford to work in your companies that is your prerogative.
About that Gold
I ask the Dail to propose an immediate donation of the gold we won in the last admin competition. I asked for ideas from the last congress but there was no consensus. This money will be invested by the MoF orgs and will bring us very close to our national treasury goal. Having it in the orgs will ensure we have quick access if we need it. It will not be immediately used, only allowed to grow for now.
Please propose a donation of 1900 Gold to New Ireland Bank as soon as possible.
*EDIT* Please vote YES to the current proposal - This is procedural. Donating the money to the bank is the only way we will have access to it. We can discuss uses for this money at any time.
I'll have a special treat for the TD that delivers the Gold to the bank vault.
(safe sex)
I am sure there will be discussion below. I welcome it and I will take any constructive arguments into consideration for future changes. Please remember that this will be a fluid process, not set in stone.
As always, don't feed the trolls. Anarchy is our most dangerous enemy here.
Thanks for your time,
-=AppleMan=-
Minister of Finance
Comments
Thanks for reading. I'll be around for questions.
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Great work o/
Proposed the donation. I expect half to be in my account by the morning!
You bring da golds I bring da girlz
Hu bring da tins?
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/choking-to-death-on-texas-2310969/1/20
Using scenarios to explain the change to citizens. 4% is unacceptable ads 3% would be as 2% would be. 1%. As pointed out we are making more in that sector than we did. Appleman is using false information and twisting of facts to make you want to vote in crap laws. Also he is lieing his ass off as Sweet repeatedly said its going great with the economy. yes my 25000 offer only sold 5000 iep as well lesson place less on the monetary market and spread your investments., normal citizens has 3 offers available?orgz
The cost impact on citizens has been detrimental thus far. It's downright counterproductive for our citizens. It is inconsequential how much more money the few spenders get to play with. The rate needs to go back to the normal 1% as soon as possible.
About the Tax:
Congratulations Appleman of transparency results.
I do not agree with this change, I propose the work tax in 3% (9 MPPs/Month). Nine MPPS is of good size. Just need to be well distributed.
About the GOLDS:
I disagree with this donation until you have a detailed plan for where the gold will be sent (to the economy, donations, etc.). Need to specify the destination of more gold, the amount is high for a place aimlessly.
I agree with 3% personally.
As far as the gold goes it struck me as a lot of gold to be moved all at once as well... I'd almost prefer to see it kept in the treasury where I can see it. I trust Appleman though - if we can generate interest on that gold then it's better kept in orgs than in the treasury.
I agree with you mate. I want to just send 2/4 of that gold for an org.
Once the gold has left the treasury, what control does the Dail have over it, and what is the accountability? That is a not insignificant amount of gold to hand over to someone and tell them to act responsibly with.
I still think 1% is the correct rate. But, I would embrace a compromise at 2%.
All these pictures are FAKE.
monetary market is very explainable. players will dissolve the 8500 IEP factories and place it on the monetary market. with work taxes implemented a change of 6 months will occur where players change tactics and switch to the highest producing factories:hence more offers hence less time on the cut of date(10 days afterwards) perhaps cut mpps for a short period but hey you have 2 million or enough money for 100 MPPS. so your 10 aim is barren of the truth again. rather subsidize 4 mpps (24 in 6 months or 25% of our net worth and keep work tax at 1%. after 6 months we can reevaulaute and cut mpp's if the MM has not improved which is doubtful. expect a change in even a few days as the US returns to normal production.
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and we got 2000 gold from the shield competition or 424000 IEP enough for the 24 MPP'S i mentioned 😛
Sigh...yes, once. I'm trying to plan for the future.
there will be more shield competitions ...sigh.. we will get more gold even if we spend nothing from the government side on it. we are also trying to plan for the future but your tax is destroying our plans. the rich patriots will get tired of you and remove their backing and people will stop donating money to the government hence even more losses.
your killing the goose that lays the golden egg.
We can send 2/4 of gold for the org and a tax 3% or less.
Btw Gold cannot be spent directly on MPPs so if you'd ever like to use that money please vote YES to the donation proposal.
This article is not the place for TDs to debate your own requests. That's why we gave the Dail threads.
Why the rush? Giving these golds was not foreseen in the general chat of Congress
This is procedural. Would you like to spend it or not?
The gold needs to go to the bank. the treasury can't spend gold on MPPs. The bank should add it to the MM investment stream. It will increase returns a noticeable amount.
A voice of reason!
Thanks bro.
No problem Bhane, but this proposal should be sent to Congress. No one can send a large amount of gold to one org without knowing what will happen. Should be in article your speech "The bank should add it to the MM investment stream. It will increase returns a noticeable amount."
send to congress to discuss*
the work tax should not exceed 3% in my opinion.
for the donation, the law is proposed too soon for me, i want more explanation about how the gold will be used
but i keep my vote for the moment, hoping to read more arguments and point of view.
Gold will be used for investment purposes on the MM rather than sitting idly in our treasury doing nothing.
It won't be spent on anything, but it will make the nations profits. Just like moving cash from one vault to another really but with profits.
who has access to the funds of new ireland bank?
Only myself. The cp would have access if he needed it through a state org reset.
Voted yes because Congressman Bhane answered my questions about the gold.
In my opinion we should wait the "population and activity surge" to know how much Gold for investment we need and how much we should keep in the treasury. We may have the sad surprise to see still low levels of activity but our gold would hve been gone out of our control (with all due respect for the honesty of our MoF)
About Work Tax I'll explain my opinion through a practical example, my own situation:
I've stopped working in my low-quality Raw material and weps factories because they do not produce 1.78 IEP profit. I've 13 factories (1 food Q2, 2 weps Q2, 1 saltpeter, 1 fruit + 8 basic Raw Material). This mean a total of 23,1 IEP (1,78 X 13) in work tax.
My fair salary job give me a net income of about 14,5 IEP.
In the end, producing with all my industrial power would mean a loss of 23,1 - 14,5 = 8,6 IEP/day, a loss I cannot afford on the long term, also because I've to convert some of my hardly saved Gold in CC to keep alive my day-to-day economy (my Q2 weps cannot be sold so easily!).
I've stopped 4 of my factories and 1 is working only every 2/3 days, so that i keep in balance the salary income and the taxes. This means that the treasury is getting only 14 IEP (the 63% of the taxes they would gather from me if I would work at my max industrial power).
With a 3% work tax rate i could start all my factories every day and the treasury would collect the 100% of my potential tax outcome. It would be 1,07 X 13 = 13,91 IEP
As you all can see, the loss in revenue (14,5 - 13,91 = 0,6 IEP/day) would be negligible and I would also have some money to buy stuffs (producing VAT revenue for the treasury!).
This is why I would push for a Work tax lowering to 3 and even 2%
Peace to all
u only have 13 factories people like bhane has 300 and have multiple workers working it. your short sighted attitude means he have to fire all of his staff and produce less Q7 WEPS which is one of his mainstays. Q7 WEPS was only slightly profitable with 3% or even 2% it wont be only 1% would. i myself produce near 16000 down from 20000 (due to a change in tactics) WRM.
I have 63 factories and I pay every day 105 IEP.
read my latest article. Q7 WEPS is not that profitable to begin with. how your business is structured is the problem or could be anyway. a player with a lot ofQ7 factories that depends on workers gathering WRM is hurting now
With work tax on 4% you get money, but you won't get people, they won't have anything to fight with. You lose population because people don't want to have companies in eIreland, you lose motive to play this game and you lose new players who won't like economy module...
You will trade that for few MPP's with countries we never fight with while we have a NAP and secured regions?
JUST TAKE MY MONEY!!!!!!!!111!!1!one!!!!111!!
THE GOLD WAS STOLEN THERE IS 27 GOLD LEFT. SO MUCH FOR YOUR DONATION.
SORRY 12.91 GOLD
RTK - Either you don't understand game mechanics or you're just trolling. Either way, stop it.
Once a donation is proposed you can't see that amount in the system treasury. I assure you it's safe.
I still saw it yesterday after the proposal. EVERYBODY APPLE stole our gold!!!
Trolling, got it.
strolling?
A change to 4% is a useless suggestion. That changes nothing about the lack of sustainability in the system.
The rate needs to be 1%
You could double that income to 2%,,, but anything higher than that hurts too many players.
1% is still the best option, though.
The important thing is to find a balance for the tax, where both Irish citizens and Ireland have profit! Personally with the rate at 5% i didn't had that much loss, but i don't know what's happening with anyone who works factories or communes.
The problem is not with the tax on your salary. The issue with the new work tax is the Work-as-Manager cost.
Commune working, and salary working are non-issues.
I am not talking about my salary. Besides as an employee i work in a commune.
I am talking about working as manager. With the current market prices, someone can make a profit (at least in WRM). What i say is that i don't know what the tax rate means to someone who owns factories (or communes) and how he is suppose to run them while making a profit (if any).
There is no profit in the lower level WRM, and most FRM levels.
Low level players can't afford to use their farms to eat. That is pretty much cut and dry.
Nice article Apple, I found the charts particularly easy to understand. I haven't a clue about economics having gotten out of factories a long time ago. But I'm happy to go with your valued judgement on what needs to be done in conjunction with Sweet.
Reference MPP's. As we are unlikely to be attacked in the short term and probably have a few months to go before an alliance comes about. I would suggest reducing out MPP's down to a bare minimum solely to provide easy DO's. Any other monies spent is useless in my opinion.
If we are paying for MPP's then having just 5 saves us 50,000IEP per month or 200,000IEP by the end of the year.