[BG]The Subcarpathian tango and the Turkish delight
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by mihail.cazacu
Two interesting developments take place around the Black Sea right now.
The first one is the Subcarpathian Tango, danced in full synchronization by Ukraine and Bulgaria. Every time Hungary declares Ukraine as Natural Enemy, Subcarpathia is conquered by Bulgaria. When Hungary votes Bulgaria as Natural Enemy, Subcarpathia is liberated by Ukraine.
The end result is Hungary is largely paralyzed and the only interesting fights for her players are the ones via the MPPs. When that happens, the Hungarian damage is spread thin over several battles, resulting in pure waste.
In the same time Romania has started a campaign against Turkey. Tureky's case is interesting for many reasons:
1. Turkey's main allies are all the Great Powers of NWO/ONE/Bullies and Juniors. Yet Turkey receives almost no help when she needs it, while most of the ONE's victories were gained thanks to the important Turkish contribution.
Well, that's typical for ONE as it was for PEACE and Phoenix before. The question is why is Turkey still hanging out with those guys?
2. The main reason for Turkey to make alliances with those guys who treat her as a doormat is simple: a few months ago Turkey was the favorite rival of both Bulgaria and Greece. Therefore Turkey needed to be allied with the enemies of Bulgaria and Greece, since there were no other choices left for her;
3. In the mean time the situation evolved. We have seen that a lot of Turks distanced themselves from the "Ottoman" way of thinking which had prevailed for a long time among the Turkish community. Some made the radical step of joining the INCI operation in Cyprus and today fight alongside EDEN and Terra. Others kept playing for Turkey but nevertheless normalized their relations with Greece and, more recently, with Moldova. So why can't Turkey cut her ties with ONE completely now?
4. There are two reasons for that: right now, there's the Romanian campaign going on. That's not exactly the right time for switching alliances.
However Turkey is not an interesting rival for Romania because as far as the general Romanian population is concerned, all the outstanding issues were solved in 1878.
The current Romanian campaign is more of a break from the boring 3-years-old ping-pong game with Hungary. My bet is the Hungarians won't be able to keep their players interested unless they start again their traditional war with Romania. The more the Bulgarians and Ukrainians will keep dancing their tango in Subcarpathia the more the Hungarians will grow eager to attack Romania. This means the Romanians have little interest in a prolonged conflict with Turkey. It is not fun for the Romanian players on long term and it is not sustainable either if in the same time Romania needs to fight Hungary again.
The conclusion is that in spite of the current war, Romania and Turkey are not long-term rivals and each would be happy to fight other wars.
Turkey scored some popularity points with Romania when they agreed to liberate Moldova. That was not enough though for a lasting peace with Romania as long as the Turks kept showing on the battlefields on the side of ONE.
However if Turkey would decide to quit her useless ONE friends and would refrain from invading Romania's allies (Bulgaria, Greece, Israel, Ukraine, Russia and Cyprus), any agreement is possible.
5. As far as I know, the gentlemen's agreement between Greece and Turkey still stands, so Turkey is not going to face a Greek invasion anytime soon.
6. So the real obstacle for Turkey leaving ONE and concentrating on a campaign in Iran and the Arabian Peninsula (an area where Turkey can easily build an empire unchallenged) is the unfinished business with Bulgaria.
This can be a serious problem because Turkey is one of Bulgaria's major sources of interest in this game. Maybe the Turks themselves would like to normalize their relations with Bulgaria. However this is only possible if Bulgaria wants it as well.
Luckily for Turkey, Bulgaria has another major source of fun: FYROM. Somehow the guys from FYROM managed to market themselves as a eGreat Power and to create a lot of trouble in the Balkans in the process.
eRepublik is a game in which the Admins make money by exploiting the Real Life issues. All the baby-booms, the Bulgarian one included, were motivated by Real Life issues.
Strictly speaking in the Real Life framework, it is much more likely that FYROM and Bulgaria unite [peacefully] than it would be that the EU and NATO member Bulgaria starts a war with NATO (and likely future EU member) Turkey and ends up conquering Turkey. The Real Life numbers are just not there. And the Real Life Bulgarians are one of the most pragmatic people I have ever met.
Therefore I think that while the normalization of the relations between Bulgaria and Turkey is still difficult today, in rather short time the project of unifying Bulgaria and FYROM would become much more popular.
An added bonus to a victorious campaign of Bulgaria against Macedonia is that it can open Bulgaria's way to the West. Spain has already received the Croatian tourists. Why not receiving also a Bulgarian delegation? The Spaniards might be traitors in this game but they have a long Real Life tradition as a touristic destination. And in this game betrayal is best paid by means of armed tourism 🙂
So let's keep the tango and Turkish delight feast continue. We're about to live interesting times.
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It is funny really, Romania fighting with Turkey and we with Hungary. Most important, the game is not that boring now
I know, I know...
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nice analyse. voted.
thanks to our szekely government...
@Avit0hol: Indeed, the most important thing now is to keep the momentum and avoid the traditional ping-pongs.
I wonder how long that would last - I expect the Hungarians to come back to the ping-pong soon since they lack the imagination to expand in other directions, the way Croatia did.
@Ernst von Jacob:
Yeah, I know your mantra: the Szekelys are traditionally traitors. They were Petru Rares' and Michael the Brave's allies during their campaigns in Transylvania. So their treason has a long track record indeed, both in-game and in Real Life..
Thank God you're a _Romanian-born_ "true Hungarian patriot". eHungary would be lost without you.
Valid point of view and impartial analysis. Vote
Good article you got a vote from me (the sub is yours from long time ) but I don't see how we are going to accept turkey as our ally!!Never!!
let's rock this party!
good analysis
Indeed it's fun lately.
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nice article. boted 🙂
Mihai was only a mercenary of the Habsburgs they killed him they didnt need him anymore...and repeating this shit about who born where is so lame from an educated man.
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vot. scrie naibii mai des sa ne delectam si noi cu un articol de calitate macar o data pe saptamana ; )
eTurkey used to be an ally to eBulgaria back in the days. eBulgarians helped eTurkey often with MM campaigns, even helped against the eGreek occupation of Marmara. But that was when eBulgaria had 600 players and when the big baby booms happened many new players were appalled by the idea of having an alliance with the eTurks.
@TheManiacBG & elAngelo:
Of course a MPP with Turkey is difficult to accept even though right now there's a MPP with the Turks known as INCI, who control Cyprus.
However an alliance with Turkey is not necessary. All that is needed for an interesting game play is Turkey to abandon the MPPs with ONE. I guess they might do that if they don't fear a Bulgarian attack now, during the Romanian campaign, or after it.
If Turkey cuts her links with Spain, Serbia, Hungary, etc then when Bulgaria fights against ONE the Turkish damage will be absent. Why spend more gold than it is necessary when a little bit of diplomacy can work miracles?!
Good article,thanks!
All the baby-booms, the Bulgarian one included, were motivated by Real Life issues.
False. I am from the bb against romanian occupation ; )
kozak misi: learn the true history....
@Mogyi: He, he, it hurts, isn't it?
@Silistra: True, there are a few exceptions. However the norm is to have BBs based on RL issues.
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"while most of the ONE's victories were gained thanks to the important Turkish contribution."
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH
Seriously, nice joke!
buna analiza
@Mogyi - o sti pe aia cu tinutu secuiesc?
True.
A few things.
Turkey was the one that turned down peace with Bulgaria, because it wanted to extract a few more gold coins. So it was them that refused peace and not us, out of arrogance or greed, it makes no difference.
Second, the myth of the RL BB is not true and please do not begin the same old stuff like 2 years ago. Bulgaria got it's big BB in January 2009, then another in January 2010, however a large amount of the players that came in January 2010 were actually returning after having left the game the year before.
We've demonstrated in this game one thing no other country has been able to do. The ability as a community to play the game as a game. We've fought so far, only equal or stronger countries than us, always fought for our allies, no matter who they are in RL and have never attempted to PTO another country. We've almost never have been the aggressors so far and when we have it has always been to help an ally.
We get tired of the monotonous and xenophobic driven wars that seem to be the ones the admins want to promote and like to seek different challenges and fun.
From what I see on the map eTurkey can rent from Iran at least 3 resources. http://www.erepublik.com/en/map So it will be more profitable for them to go on war with the iranians and expand in Middle East or South Asia, than just keep fighting on the Balkans and East Europe.
P.S. Just like the author said in his article.
IN RL relations between Turkey and Bulgaria are not as bad as some think they are. They have more quarrels with Greece than with Bulgaria. Plus Bulgaria's already been an ally with Turkey, but Turkey (Lazokrats) betrayed Bulgaria.
Anyways I think they should have accepted our proposal, and maybe things would have been different for them now, but they were too much arrogant, as usual.
Contested only argument that bb in Bulgaria is based on things from Turkey and RL.
BB in Bulgaria is due only to the patriotism of the Bulgarians to help his homeland, is in difficult times.
We have always been good allies and very good pragmatists, which does not exclude a future union with Turkey.
The only thing they want to respect both opponents and allies.
Currently e-Turks see only arrogance and hubris, which repels us.
Regards
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The world is tired of this nonsense just pick name already:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/macedonian-naming-dispute-both-points-of-view--1898575/1/20