Bug, feature or manipulation
Stolch
Now looking at one of the screenshots of the Sofia battle, where Bulgarian players are not getting the NE bonus against Romania, one of a number of "bugs" that always seem to be going one way in the last 6-7 months, it would be easy to assume that it is the admins attempting to manipulate the battle. After all all but one until very recently had their top campaign damage for Romania against Bulgaria, one even has 2.8 billion, so their bias is evident for everyone to see. (you can see who they're in the forum).
However as much as some would love this to be the case, this is not entirely true. In reality the damage dealt by others is not what it should be and seems to be a different "bug" for everyone.
This is one of many pics of the Sofia battle:
As everyone can see, there is the damage being added in the bar, there is the "my damage" that is being shown above the fight button and there is the rank being added in the rank bar.
Bulgaria has an activated NE against Romania, so all players holding a Bulgarian CS should be getting a 10% bonus to their damage but not to their rank as NE bonus only applies to damage in the bar.
So far so good, rank points gained +9665, my damage shows as + 106315 or 10%. However the battle has a determination bonus as well for the defender which in this case is Bulgaria as Romania is attacking the region. The determination bonus is 1.08 or 8%.
So there should be another 8% bonus to the damage generated on the wall. Determination bonus like NE bonus does not generate rank points and is only shown in the bar at the top and not in the "my damage" part. Here comes the problem, the damage added at the top is 104 382, which is less then the 106 315 that is being generated due to the NE bonus.
Incidentally 104 382 is 8% more then the basic damage with no bonuses represented by the 9665 rank points. So the determination bonus is there, however the NE bonus is not. So basically Bulgarian side in that battle has it's damage reduced by 10% in all rounds and all divisions. This is most probably true when using boosters as well.
To get an idea of how much damage we're talking about, the top 5 in round 2 of the battle on Bulgaria side did together 1.798 billion damage, so Bulgarian damage was reduced based on the top 5 only by 180 million in D4 and one round alone.
So it was time to check other battles with NE and determination bonus to see if this was a bug or a manipulation.
Here comes the next screenshot, it is of the India vs Croatia battle in West Bengal. Again it's just one of many:
So again India has an activated NE against Croatia and an active determination bonus in the battle.
So we look at the 3 numbers again and to our surprise, there is no difference between the rank points and the "my damage" shown. Rank points which are 10% of the basic damage are in this case 16 254 and the "my damage" is 162 544, so no NE bonus there.
*EDIT*, thanks to some comments below I checked the actual damage of the player and it turns out that his damage without the NE bonus would be 147 767 and the reason why the rank points are with 10% more could be an active war stash. However the NE bonus is still missing from the damage being added to the bar. So this is the same as the Bulgarian battle bug. At least we know the bug is uniform. *EDIT*
When we look at the determination bonus at the top bar however there is another surprise, the damage there is shown as 180 277, so there is a determination bonus being added however when we calculate the difference it comes out to be only 11% more then without the determination bonus while the battle says there should be a 22% (1.22) determination bonus.
So not only is there no NE bonus in the battle, there is only half of the determination bonus that should be there.
So in one battle we have no NE bonus, in the other we have no NE and half of the determination. The question that logically arises is, what is happening in all the other battles for other sides and so on.
The good news is, that since it seems to be everywhere, well in those two sides in those two battles anyway, it is unlikely to be a direct manipulation, the alternative of incompetence however is not much better for the players, especially considering the "buy a battle" options that have been added "for the tournament only".
The only thing that becomes clear of this is that until the player community of the game recognizes that despite our in-game wars and fights we're all playing the same game and we don't bind together to demand better quality and less bias by the administration of the game we will continuously have this occur and it will occur at the expense of each and everyone at one time or another.
If you're a player holding the CS of a country that has a battle that should have both NE and determination bonus, make a screenshot and post it in the comments so we can see how random the damage generation in battles truly is.
PS this is a screenshot from Italian battle, with Italian NE active against Serbia and determination bonus of 24%:
Same thing as with Indian battle, no NE bonus at all and determination bonus is 12% instead of 24%.
Comments
http://prntscr.com/2o6yyu
Pretty pathetic... and a serious bug at that! For a game basically built around warfare, its the military module that should be the ONE module that is bug-free!
The question now is - what is the reimbursement going to be? since obviously WE play their game, it is our fault for expecting a perfect experience. Iff we don't like it, we should just leave the game, right? That unfortunately is the standard answer we are most likely to get.
What I don't understand is how for Bulgaria there is one "bug" and for India and Italy there is another "bug", in this case India and Italy are worst off....
Not only that there is no battle without a "bug".....
See that for Bulgaria, the NE bonus is higher than the Determination bonus, but for Italy and India is the other way around. Try to find some case similar to the Bulgaria, to know if the bug behaves the same way. Maybe the bug works differently in different conditions
the rUmanian admins should spend more time fixing bux & working, than looking for ways to manipulate battles in rUmanian favor
Romanian game, Romanian rules. If Romania wants to get to a country where it has no borders we introduce AS, if Romania wants to win a battle we cut off your NE.
Romania Wins! Game over!
the only one ROMAnian telling la verite qui blaisse....
Do drew, never seen so stupid person like you. Are you crazy or what? Go to the doctor and get your piles every day.
Lame comment. A Romanian.
:3 Cry no more my little earthlings.
yeah, yeah, same on you admins!
PS: write a ticket.
lol it was pretty clear that the battles has bugs...
After checking the logs we have found nothing wrong.
Thank you for your report.
The usual drill as answer 😁
or:
Thank you for your report!
We appreciate your help and will check this issue.
The standard automatic answer...
bogdan, are you retarded or yes? it is obvious that this shit, sorry "game" is so buggy that can't be played normally. and of course the ones to blame are the brainless creatures called "admins". and guess what, "surprisingly" they are mamligurs!!!! the most clever nation in the world! and one more "coincidence" - mamaliguria, a.k.a. ROMAnia is winning every battle "honestly"! congratulations for not be able to even play a game honestly, but that's normal, taking into consideration the RL....
I can foretell the future:
"Thank you for your report. We have found nothing wrong."
Pm me for lottery numbers as well! 🙂
WTF, Plato?
pathetic indeed!
can some one see if serbia or croatia is getting that bonus?
Give us screenshots
Is anyone surprised? 🙂
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-update-new-booster-enrage-plato--2368399/1/20
This is a generic bug. In Croatia's case, they are not getting the NE bonus either. They are getting the Determination bonus though. I have attached the screenshot which shows my hit @ 63082 came up as 63713
Link here -> http://imageshack.com/a/img585/8061/hhfv.jpg
Same as India and Italy, but not as Bulgaria. It seems that determination bonus under 10% is full, above 10% is in half, however it does not explain why it does not even calculate the NE bonus for Italy, Croatia and India, while it is calculating it but not adding it up for Bulgaria.
PS, you don't have Croatian CS so you shouldn't get NE bonus, so for you it's working fine.
We need someone with Croatian CS to check if they're getting the NE bonus.
Good point! silly me 🙂 at least it confirms that the DB is working for Croatia 🙂
buy more gold, no bugs there
Simple it is, if i don't like the burger, i will no longer pay for it....
v
STOP CRYING !!!! If you dont like the warfare module , than stop tanking , stop buyng gold with reeal money , stop fighting at all ... Dont you get it ?! Its just a shity game , if you dont like it cuz of bugs , and the admins dont wanna fix them , just deny their payment !!
IF you are a human it's OK but you are a shity hog and this is a real problem.
[removed]
Да го набия в на май.а ти диб.л.я г.з п.мак ж@лък ря3н
If you go to the supermarket and buy a product, and on coming home you find it does not work, what do you do? Will you like it if the guy at the counter says exactly the same thing? - "STOP CRYING !!!! If you dont like the warfare product , than stop buying it!"
This game is a product as well and as customers it is our duty to bring it to their notice and seek redressal. Its not called crying, its called exercising your rights rather than staying quiet.
well , u think with all these articles u will make admins to do something ?? its not the way to achieve it , u see - nobody care about us .. the way we can make them care is to stop their income..
dont u get it ? the owners and actioners dont mind if we r happy or not , they care only about their money .. if we all stop spending real money in this game , their income will decrease and they will need to do some reforms to survive
In India the normal hit of that player is 147.767, then with the 10% bonus become 147.767 * 1.1 = 162.544 (and the range always is 10% of that, means 16.254) and with the determination become 162.544 * 1.22 = 198.304 but there only shows 147.767 * 1.22 = 180.277. The final battle inffluence is wrong because the NE bonus is not included.
In Italy the normal hit of that player is 20.857, then with the 10% bonus become 20.857 * 1.1 = 22.943 (and the range always is 10% of that, means 2.294) and with the determination become 22.943 * 1.24 = 28.449 but there only shows 20.857 * 1.24 = 25.864. The final battle inffluence is wrong because the NE bonus is not included.
Now, in Bulgary the normal hit of that player is 96.650, then with the 10% bonus become 96.650 * 1.1 = 106.315 (and the range always is 10% of that, means 10.631) and with the determination become 106.315 * 1.08 = 114.820 but there only shows 96.650 * 1.08 = 104.382. In this case the range is wrong and the final battle inffluence not includes the NE bonus.
Then, in all cases the final battle inffluence is not including the NE bonus only apply the determination bonus.
I have tested myself and this is what i see:
http://i.imgur.com/jeco9Cf.png
My normal hit is 170.700 then my range points became 170.700 * 0.10 = 17.070 but this shows 18.777 (+ 10%, thanks Plato!) and the battle inffluence became 170.700 * 1.17 = 199.719 (that is correct).
I think that with the last changes for the tournament, they make a lot of bugs...
ah you make a good point about the rank, it could be the effect of a war stash the 10%, so the bug is the same everywhere only some players have the war stash 10% bonus to the rank. Still no NE bonus present.
Looks like @heroldo is write.
"citizens of the declaring country get a 10% bonus when fighting against the Natural Enemy
Note: This only applies to the influence made to the "wall". Rank points aren't affected by natural enemy." - http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Natural_enemy
You're right about the NE not being included, however there is one of two things happening for Indian player, I have t admit I did not calculate what his damage should be without NE bonus. It is either giving him rang points for NE and then not including the damage afterwards or no NE calculation at all.
The reason is that the rang points are exactly 10% of the "my damage" which should be the damage including NE bonus.
I'll check now for the players involved to see about which of the above is true in any case it is clear that the NE bonus is absent altogether, but it seems to disappear only for countries which have determination bonus, so in essence the determination bonus is a handy-cap and not a bonus.
you hit against cro no vote no sub no support 🙂
I haven't but thanks for the comment so I now realize that you're part of the Croatian government and I've seen you hit on a regular basis against Bulgaria.
The avatar was smart way to hide, but the comment was not.
sry but i not hit against BG, that is patetic BG army hit against cro in rw india always! But you have great players and good people 🙂
no Bulgaria doe snot have an army for nearly 1.5 years now, try again.
every croat coment makes me like serbs more and more
ahhahahahahah you Bg give knife in back cro in mex that you do not remember?
we here in Bg have one folk wisdom , i will answer your question with it
"whenever u hit a croat, will be late and not enough"
^really?! Do we have it?!?! 😃 first time i've heard of it..
не е за хървати естествено,но си позволих да перефразирам хехе
Interesting to get a screenshot from a romanian player in this battle.