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En espérant des débats constructifs et ce que pense les citoyens.

I agree with some points you have presented; but you didn't detect really the source of the problem.

The problem is that you took my BH ! 😉

lack of communication, if several gamers don't speak the langage of one article, no vote...

Or sometimes just not voting because he/she wrote it without looking the content that can be very good ...

yes and when we talk with new players they are bored to see the situation, we will lose them for other countries.

I've been here for a longer period of time and participated in much more battles than you can even imagine. 😛

The source of the problem might be so old that either it didn't exist anymore or either we doesn't remember it. The problem seems more to be that there is a power game in eBelgium. And it is not unhealthy, after all, it is what politics is. But it could be played in a way in which there are less collateral damages, with more debates, unity, and the sharing of a same goal, which will not be getting the power, but helping eBE and its citizens to grow.

Firstly, we've been banned from the Forum for ages and the persons who have caused and provoked our ban; have left eBE long time ago.

Now you are asking us to come to the Forum.
But certain persons with HoF status have more sayin' and more influence in eBE internal affairs, then we are really not interested to come.

Thirdly, as long as none CP is elected from BD/LF/HOPE triangle, there won't be any unity and cooperation possible within eBE.

No-one has been banned at all except shadowukcs(a matter none of you ever settled even when you could have done it with no problem).

All others have never been banned from the forum. You had limited rights for a while, but you were never banned.

In fact you have the same access and voice as anyone else, no more limitations.

And what are you doing to get someone from BD/LF/HOPE triangle elected ? Except criticizing the different presidents that the belgians citizens have elected ? Did you make constructive proposals in the Congress ? Have you worked on a program to gain the trust of the citizens who didnt voted for you in the last elections ? Have you shown yourself trustworthy by your actions and comments ingame and on the forum ? You cannot expect the others parties to offer you the presidency on a silver plate. There is elections, and there is the citizens of eBelgium. These citizens desserve the best, and they vote as their conscience dictate for the candidate who according to them will do the better job for eBelgium. The negative attitude that exists in eBelgium have not helped you achieving your goal, maybe a new strategy will be more fruitfull, a strategy of unity and cooperation for example.

Ok, we actually didn't have cs rights and we had restricted access to the Forum.

shadowukcs is one of the most legendary persons of eBE and also one of our very favourite RL Belgians and therefore deserves again access to the Forum, although some Forum Admins may not agree with it.

>>> What did we do to get someone from our conglomerate to win CP elections?

We always support our common candidate, although we know well he doesn't stand a chance to win it.

>>> Did we make constructive proposals in the Congress,?

I myself, didn't propose lot as I'm mostly working in the background.
But I think Santiago Junior and Kanselier did such proposals in the past.

>>> Did we ever worked on a program to gain the trust of the citizens?

I guess so, but I would need to recall my memory to name them.

>>> Have we shown yourself trustworthy by your actions and comments in-game and on the Forum?

I guess so and then maybe not, it's hard to judge ourselves

We are not expecting others parties to offer us the presidency on a silver plate. We are certainly not asking for it.

The real problem is the fact that 3 or other 4 parties (ATO😎 are always forming their clan when choosing their CP candidate and opposing ours and it so for last 2 years in a row.

So how can you ask and expect common Unity?

When they are always two sides of eBE.

Ours and Yours.

Being CP is not the only way to change things in eBE, and there is some others steps that you could take : as I said already, to work in Congress and show yourself and your party as a valid and concrete alternative, but also taking part to Governments. It is not because you doesn't succeed to have a CP elected that you cannot take part in the government and help manage the country, and thus being able to make a difference. There is not a lot of active citizens in eBE, and all the good willing people are always welcomed to help as Minister or deputy Minister. It is a perfect way to gain trust and to prove that you can become an excellent leader. According to me, citizens have more easy to vote for someone they know (the way they work), someone who have already had responsabilities in Congress and Government, than for someone who is anti-system and shout only negative remarks.

Elynea wrote:
" always the same in governement. it's maybe time to help new players to have responsabilities "

The Power hungry e-Vladimir wipe our Country for always the same players have the government position
we lost 3 MPP's and a Defense shield from 6 Billion and all congress medals for this.

Now you are asking for share the power with all eBelgians

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P.S NO VOTE ♥

always the same sentences, you can change your speech?
I try to find solution for new players Santiago.

We know the history
If New players won the election is a PTO !!!!!!!
if the old ebe players won is good

Now i'm sure you will support the tomatos multi account for CP
wait and see

Murat is coming

en attendant beaucoup de nouveaux ont quitté mais il en reste et ce sont pas toujours ces histoires qui vont les faire évoluer.

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If belgians citizens doesn't approve the actions of e Vladimir, they will not vote for him if he does run as CP a second time, or as Congressmember, etc... To oppose two groups because of the action of one government is not fair. This manichean speech of yours is not helping to create a positive climate for the change you are waiting for.

Frankie18 win the CP medal before his Mercenary Medal
Tomatos seld his account and became CP anyway

they not will vote for vladimir but will vote for another multi Murat or one from Beaverss Multis

Santiago tu es hors sujet.

The problem in eBE is that somes debates are opposing two sides, but there is more than 2 parties in eBE. Also, with all the new citizens we had this month, you could have gain a lot of votes for the next election. But i'm not sure that the constantly negative speech in articles will attract them, on the contrary. Why not trying to make a positive campaign, with your values as center ? Instead of the same old "elite is corrupted, they are multis" ? It could be much more beneficial and it will raise the quality of the debates in eBelgium.

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You was always a puppet of eVlad, you always ignored a big part of the Belgian population. You did not respect us, so why will you do it now?

I did that proposal not to ruin the economy but to force a congress next month. Yes, there need to be a congress and respect that congress. If they want leave the current alliance, than respect it, it's an evolution.

Chris, we are bored about your stupidity.
1) this article is not to talk about the law, it's to talk about debates before law, we don't see your name or accusation.
2) If you think i can be a puppet, No comment, i'm smiling

This article is to have a positive debate and i see like santiago, blabla .... always the same story.

Game mechanics wouldnt have allowed eBelgium to get a Congress even if your proposal passed. You couldn't have forced a Congress next month. The only outcome would have been to let dozen of new players unemployed and dying in eBelgium for a month. On the other hand, this rogue proposal have allowed you to express your discontent with e Vladimir's actions, but you also had the choice to express it with an article or on the forum, with a debate. You choose to drop a bomb, fortunately it didn't explode, but it was still thoughtless and uncaring for all the others citizens of eBelgium.

Yes bla bla Always oh we want unity we want This. But do oppositie actions. Start acting like You mean It.

ThomasRed, if that propasol was accepted (so if nobody noticed it) than next month a wipe was not possible because there was a congress needed to vote it down, that's why i did the proposal. To get a congress, not to ruin the economy.

Forget the unity. The matter is the main debate becomes a paranoia where everyone is accused to be a PTO, there is a witch hunt that doesn't serve the Belgian interest.

Every time we want to make a project, there is the same question and the same debate : who's the PTO?

eBelgium is divided, you can't reach the unity with the mentality of today. If people can show the PTO's with proof and evidences, maybe we could advance but today (and with eVladimir and the British conquest), this is not today we can make a serious job.

but why not begining with serious debates for the congress. It's already good.

e Vladimir does have the legitimacy of the ballot box. Trying to build something better, fighting for it in a fair play, instead of destroying the opponent would be more tactical in my opinion. Presenting a better program, helping new citizens to improve faster, offering solutions to problems such as rogue proposals or rogue acceptance of citizenships while the Congress accepted to review them first, etc... It is not by being only negative in medias (even if you are right) that you will gain more support from citizens. More support which will lead eventually to Country Presidence, and will offer you the chance to make your program real if you have one. Getting in power is not the finality, it's only the beginning. Well, in my opinion.

Of course I'm negative because every time we can make a serious program, the same problem comes back.

To make serious debate, they should focus only the topic of discussion and not begin to accuse the other one to be a PTO.

I don't contest the legitimacy of elections, it is just his nomination makes a lot of matters that paralyse the political activity.

You can't reach a serious political activity with the debates of today, political leaders have to know that and to become more aware they have to act for eBelgium like adults

Indeed, but if you read Santiago's post, it is not just about e Vladimir. He also speak of Franckie18, of Thanatos, of multies of Thanatos (?), etc... So i can understand there is a frustration to not be able to grab the CP spot to realize your program (is there one already ?). To not win elections is not just because there could be multies in the other side or whatever, but also because you fail to represent your party as a solid alternative in the eyes of the eBelgians citizens. And to show the ebelgians citizens you have a solid alternative to propose, you have to show them that you can be constructive and proactive, and it starts by the Congress, which you doesn't use unfortunately.

Thomasred ebelgium isnt Utopia...
It Hardly is about programs....

But kanselier it's possible to debate in calm. Thomas has experience, he was 8 times president.

Honestly i wish that was the truth but whit valeyard constantly shouting pro and whit franckie/olv/evladimir/thanthos playing games its just an illusion

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Utopia

Disenchanted

"★★★★ proposal about the change of the minimum age" -age- 😉 😃

And how do you want to keep our country alive with negative views? I can understand why it's so hard for a new player to stay.

I support the initiative. 🙂

I also think that the side which holds the power needs to show the will and the trust to cooperate with the other side.

thanks 🙂

The most constructive opinion heard here.

I support 🙂