The Speaker's Word - Toes/Feet/Thighs in the Water
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The Speaker's Word - Toes/Feet/Thighs in the Water
Welcome to THE SPEAKER'S WORD - The Official Journal of the eUSA Congress.
Dateline: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 (Day 4823)
Location: 158th eUS Congress
Editor: dmjohnston, Speaker of the House
There hasn’t been a ton of (interesting) activity in Congress since last week, but I wanted to talk about one particular thing that some of you may not be aware of, even now.
Putting Things in the Water
It’s been commented before by some citizens, but no explanation has been publicly offered, so here’s what this all means.
Back at the beginning of January, Congress passed the Test the Waters Act, which provided a test of a new approach to handling votes in Congress. Typically, after a Proposal reaches the required number of approvals (as described in the Code of the eUS), it is moved to a Vote, all on the eUSA forums. This process is well documented here and here.
In the Test the Waters Act, the budget vote for January was held in two places: members of Congress could vote either in the forum thread as usual, or in a group PM in-game, sent out by the Speaker team.
Following this test, the sequel, or The Slowly Put Our Thighs In The Water Act, was passed, which extended that same mechanism for all votes in the subsequent 30 days. Four votes were conducted in this manner per this bill.
The fourth bill that fell under this 30 day window was The Patiently Wait For Our Thighs To Get Used To The Water Act, which intended to extend this mechanism for another 30 days.
How did it go?
Well, it likely depends on who you ask.
We did have an uptick in participation in votes during the tests. People who will not come to the forum to participate were able to do so via the PM threads.
However, concerns expressed about the validity of this participation when people were not participating or even observing associated discussions as well as increasing the workload on the Speaker team when people failed to be meticulous in their voting ultimately led The Patiently Wait For Our Thighs To Get Used To The Water Act to fail to pass.
What now?
So as it stands, we are back to votes being held on the forum only. Continuing discussions have pointed to some potential changes that could bolster support, so that may change before the end of the term.
Divider Contest
I had ONE whole entry from an eUS citizen on this. Please comment with your submissions for the new section divider for the Speaker’s Word! The fill-in is serving well, but I’d love to see what you all can come up with!
Bonus points for a new banner image!
Welcome to THE SPEAKER'S WORD - The Official Journal of the eUSA Congress.
Dateline: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 (Day 4823)
Location: 158th eUS Congress
Editor: dmjohnston, Speaker of the House
There hasn’t been a ton of (interesting) activity in Congress since last week, but I wanted to talk about one particular thing that some of you may not be aware of, even now.
Putting Things in the Water
It’s been commented before by some citizens, but no explanation has been publicly offered, so here’s what this all means.
Back at the beginning of January, Congress passed the Test the Waters Act, which provided a test of a new approach to handling votes in Congress. Typically, after a Proposal reaches the required number of approvals (as described in the Code of the eUS), it is moved to a Vote, all on the eUSA forums. This process is well documented here and here.
In the Test the Waters Act, the budget vote for January was held in two places: members of Congress could vote either in the forum thread as usual, or in a group PM in-game, sent out by the Speaker team.
Following this test, the sequel, or The Slowly Put Our Thighs In The Water Act, was passed, which extended that same mechanism for all votes in the subsequent 30 days. Four votes were conducted in this manner per this bill.
The fourth bill that fell under this 30 day window was The Patiently Wait For Our Thighs To Get Used To The Water Act, which intended to extend this mechanism for another 30 days.
How did it go?
Well, it likely depends on who you ask.
We did have an uptick in participation in votes during the tests. People who will not come to the forum to participate were able to do so via the PM threads.
However, concerns expressed about the validity of this participation when people were not participating or even observing associated discussions as well as increasing the workload on the Speaker team when people failed to be meticulous in their voting ultimately led The Patiently Wait For Our Thighs To Get Used To The Water Act to fail to pass.
What now?
So as it stands, we are back to votes being held on the forum only. Continuing discussions have pointed to some potential changes that could bolster support, so that may change before the end of the term.
Divider Contest
I had ONE whole entry from an eUS citizen on this. Please comment with your submissions for the new section divider for the Speaker’s Word! The fill-in is serving well, but I’d love to see what you all can come up with!
Bonus points for a new banner image!
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You stuck *what* in the water?
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Pig-disgusting quasi-speaker of the privately owned pig-disgusting homophobic wanna-be eUS-Forum:
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M O U T H
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Nice
It failed because the WTP couldn't control their drones and many of them voted in both places, one even voted three times.
True story.
it failed because the meta-game is designed to grind the eUS in the ground with the failure-ship of the eUS trolling those with the fortitude to stick it out dispute the skullduggery they have endured,
https://www.erepublik.com/en?viewPost=23566021
Nice. Completely ignore the fact that WTP destroyed their own law by acting like a bunch of twits.
dude no party is as corrupt as the one your in ...
Oh George, that is an utterly baseless accusation bordering on libel. The SFP books are open and transparent. It is a welcoming and supporting community. The only folks who have trouble with the SFP are inveterate trolls. Jesus, dude, stick to what you're good at ... art, contests, writing wacky stuff... and stop spreading bullshit slander. You're starting to sound like Rudy Giuliani.
Probably forgot he left Feds and returned to SFP
Turncoats gonna turn coats!
@RF, I apologize for the wording, but 'as the one your in ...' is meant to imply the party itself is corrupted beyond others by his membership in any party. I readily accept I choose to express myself poorly.
Yet I again ask you to review the SFP's position on re-opening a primary to guarantee I NOT make a ballot. The act itself isn't the contention I have with the SPF but the refusal to acknowledge the exception made to justify leaving me of a ballot
Yup , SFP smell hypocrisy big time... They have the largest USA Bots handler and their ranks plus their candidate to last CP Election was also endorsed by the second largest Bots owner in usa..
I D I O T !
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"Yup , SFP smell hypocrisy big time.."
What the hell does that even mean groot?
I find it funny when I hear "extra work" when the same people who love and created the eUS forums created the extra work when they made the eUS forums lol.
Players should not have to go off site to play a game they signed up for here.
BSP tried to create a middle ground allowing congressmen to vote in-game so those who do not want to go off site to use the eUS forums for congress could still take part but some players will hold grudges forever and would rather be spiteful than reasonable/understanding. Many will act like they want us all to get along but in the end they love the division it creates fun for certain players it's pretty sad.
They love "drama"
They hate Congress
And they're expert gaslighters. So much so they believe their own pile of horsecrap.
I ❤ YOU !
The game lacks a reliable player-driven polling/voting mechanism. Using PM-based voting is one possible solution, but it has problems, flaws, weaknesses too.
I agree there are flaws in this game as well as eUS forums, and PM-based voting.
SFP congressmen are sterling example of players holding grudges. I believe many of your congressmen voted no just out of spite. I wish they would get over things that happened years ago or tell me what the issue is so we could try to get passed it, but I doubt those who are holding the grudges actually remember themselves it just became part of the game for them to hate BSP lol.
It began with one ignorant Gnilraps writing a nasty hit piece publicly deriding a newbie USAF soldier on an internal matter. You know, for the drama and subs.
I voted no because some Congress members decided to abuse the very system they created by voting in both places. You can ignore that fact all you want but everyone with Congress access knows the truth.
I do agree whichever players are voting in both places are making it more difficult for SoH.
The simple solution would have been to not include those players in the next in-game vote.
It would only be abusing the system if the votes were actually counted twice which they were not.
The votes could easily be removed from the eUS forum vote section. Isn't that the job of SoH and also why many of you like the eUS forums because some can play admin by removing comments/spam?
See I gave easy solutions to simple problems. The truth is this didn't pass due to spite for BSP/WTP, and many congressmen don't want more activity they just want to pass what they would like with little to no issues.
Dmj is notorious for whitewashing forum posts and abusing his editing privileges.
Lol k
Good one
Hey HWF, remember when Arrden the Idiot published that Blac Sheeps are leaving the Crap-Forum and not wanting to publish a joint statement with the SFP, at the time I was Party President??
Oh, what a glorious move!
Now you are allied with right-wing WTP idiots, like Baby Groot!!!
Can you fall lower????
hi speaker's word
Thanks all
FIST
YW, but I guess I didn't win.
I voted to abstain, I did so for a few reasons.
1. At the time I wanted to ensure that I was fully on the up and up of that issue. I went back to prior legislation to catch up on this bill but still had questions about it at the time.
2. I saw some fellow congressman concern on a lack of forum activity discussion on particular bills with the implementation of voting via PM, this was glossed over by the bill originator and people approving the bill. There seems to be little in a way of continuing to encourage bill discussion.
3. When combining those two reasons, I felt a sense that the history of the past bills warranted a "yes" on my end to continue the series, personal questions I shared with others would lead me to a "no". Abstaining in this instance was the most responsible decision for myself.
We have an in-game thread that we can use to discuss bills. It really isn't as complicated as some are making it. The benefits out way any risk on this issue.
I hear players complaining they want others (BSP) to be more active and participate yet when we try it is shut down by the same players who have been trying to hold on to power for years using the eUS forums for years. Which is why many of us stopped using them. Really all certain players want from BSP is an endorsement for CP, which would be as active as they would really like us to be. Why not include as many players as possible who are in congress in-game for a vote that has to do with the game we play (erepublik) which is played right here?
Maybe there should be consideration on discussions within the context of the game as well. Although it would likely be ridiculously difficult to provide any form of moderation and I would expect such discussion to result in digital "canings". I always support involving more people in the meta as much as possible. But I want to make sure we get them as active as possible including discussion on relevant proposals.
BSP = Bull💩 Party
Not to mention that after 90 days of no new messages those vote PMs go down the memory hole and leave no durable record.
Above and beyond being a massive waste of time, I am left questioning why any faction would choose to hide voting away from the light of day.
Using the forums as an archive was part of the deal no information from in-game voting or discussions would be lost. Simple screen shots is all it takes to add to forums.Unless someone who has admin access deletes information which has happened so even the eUS forums are vulnerable. Again an easy solution to a simple problem. Players created the eUS forums they should not be complaining about extra work when they created the extra work by using the forums to start. The real issue is including everyone in the actual game congress they signed up for which is erepublik not eUS forums.
No one with admin privileges has ever deleted any Congress "information".
Honestly Rainy I have no idea what really happened on the eUS forums. I heard a few things. All I do know you had some involvement if you would like to PM to inform me about it feel free would love to hear about it.
I moved sub-boards from one section to another section. Easily reversible or it wouldn't have been done. Publius has moved and removed boards and completed an entire overhaul previously without any consult or complaint.
what you did was trash all the boards and remove the structure of it. Publius left the sub-boards and everything when what you are talking about happened. Without the boards, everything defaulted into the trash, by date order with no regards to where it was originally placed. so not exactly an easy fix. everything is a mess of posts with no structure all mushed together.
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@melrose
Can you tell us how the eUS Discord came to being?
Just a quick summary, please?
why would I know that?
Probably because you've been told.
pretty sure it was yours and what does that have to do with anything.
I am still pissed that the meta-forum was hacked and my signature of Emerick yelling at me he 'quit' was removed and a glitch was named as the cause that some things got lost. BS, the emerick loyalist cult conspired to hide my triumph!
You seem to think a durable record remains desirable in this game. Can you explain your position?