The REAL problem with this game.
Day 2,822, 11:44
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by Septuagenarian
There has recently been a number of articles moaning about how the numbers of people playing this game are falling and what, if anything, the admins should do about it. These articles all start with the assumption that there is something wrong with the game and, in order to attract people in, this or that change should be made.
Don't people realise that this assumption is incorrect? If there is that much wrong with the game why are they still playing? Are they too stupid to work out how to leave?
A favourite subject is the great (grate?) community we are supposed to have and how this is what keeps people here. Really? Maybe it's the much vaunted community that's driving people away? Hang on, you say don't we encourage new players into politics and give them inconsequential government jobs? True but only if they follow the path laid out by the people that have been here forever and follow meaningless legislation that has no real place in this game. Legislation which in most cases is a simple means of maintaining the status quo.
What can we do? Instead of maintaining a cosy little club that excludes anyone that doesn't agree maybe it's time to embrace the real change that is possible here and play the game as it is.
Here in the UK we have use dictatorship to set in permanent power a group of people who have already made plans to steal the treasury if someone who is not in their gang looks likely to get power. The reason, they say, is to protect it from being stolen. During my time here its been stolen a number of times, has it affected anyone outside the ruling cabal? It certainly didn't affect me, and I doubt if the majority of players in eUK noticed.
Let's just play the game as is and embrace change and see if the possibility of real change will attract and keep new players.
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So let me get this straight, your saying I'm the problem with erep? I'll get my coat.
Horice 🙁
Not going to accept this 'change' which messes over the majority of people in the community. There's sensible change and then there's stupid change.
Thank you for confirming your wish exclude anyone that doesn't agree with you
That's not what I just said. I'm personally happy to see anyone come in and change things. It's not a bunch of oldfags running the country anymore. I'd hardly class current CP Aaron as an oldfag. But the only people wanting to shake up who's in charge are people like Ajay and Dapper and having him in power would ruin the game for the hardworking majority wanting to have fun.
Did I mention the word oldfag anywhere in my article? No
The closest we came to real change was when we were taken over by MEK or whatever they called themselves, otherwise you could have started any time in the last 3 years and seen no difference.
And you thought that was good change? It screwed us over and took a lot of hard work and effort to fix
ANY change is better than the same old, same old we have now
2011 multi http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/5050178
"Anything is better than the same old"
... that was the same reason sited for eIreland invading eUK.
2009 players, 2009 multi accounts, 2009 cheats!
I'll have you know my multis are top of the range 2013 models
http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/7505845 what like this one? 2009 accounts are a problem coming back all the time, their is too many oldfags cheats in the uk its sad like this one http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/1619488
I wonder who is cheating
Yup you've cracked the case gg
"Here in the UK we have use dictatorship to set in permanent power a group of people who have already made plans to steal the treasury if someone who is not in their gang looks likely to get power. "
How so?
and here is me thinking woldy was a better dictator than a forig PTO group, wrong again Garth
The legislation to move the treasury to "trusted people" is nothing more than legalised theft
Absolute bollocks. It's a plan to keep it away from the likes of people that would steal it and it's worked well so far.
As I said in the article losing the treasury is hardly noticed by the average player, so having it stolen is no big deal. The only people that worry about are those trying to maintain the status quo
I thought the money was to given to trusted citizens in the attempt to stop MTO's by using the money to reinstate a new dictator?
"Trusted" by whom? The people maintaining the status quo for themselves. If you don't meet their criteria then its OK for them to steal the treasury. Theft is theft no matter who does it
Its hardly noticed by the average player because the average player does not have anywhere near as big of a stake in whether the country is robbed or not than the people who made sure that income was earnt and kept safe or those who rely on the money to run the current and future governments.
The "trusted people" are those who have proven over time that they are working in the best interest of the eUK and all its citizens, not just to get their 15 minutes of fame. So if you think you should be amongst that group, get known, do things that help others, get involved with the politics and don't just sit there and whine. I don't know you from Adam and I'm probably considered one of the oldfags now. And because of what I do to help all the citizens, I know most of the names of those who are active... but oddly enough, not yours....
The best interests of the eUK? Don't you mean the best interests of the group that has control of politics here? This is exactly the attitude I see discouraging anyone that disagrees
You're right about needing new people getting involved and running things, instead of it being the same "cabal" all the time.
You're wrong about that "cabal" trying to protect their positions against newcomers. In my experience many of them are pretty much on their hands and knees begging for some new blood to come and take over.
You're also wrong about protecting the treasury. The trusted people scheme was set up specifically to protect our taxes against foreign dictatorship takeovers, and the people the money is given to are voted on by Congress.
I would certainly agree with the desperate need for new people to get involved, BUT getting involved by demanding the old order be overthrown every other week completely destroys any long term plans and progress the eUK makes - particularly when the opposition amounts to just false accusation and opposition for oppositions sake.
As the classic example BigAnt, Dapper and their cronies spent all that time accusing everyone else of cheating and being corrupt etc and within a few days stole all our money. Not just the treasury but individuals money and I bet Sexagenarian would have been among the first to complain if it had been his money that was stolen.
only if they lick boots
If having the treasury stolen is no big deal - then why is it being stolen so regularly?
Logic would dictate that if it has no impact on the average player then does the average player own and work in companies whose bonuses are reduced because we have no regions?
Does the average player fight in wars and complain we aren't winning because we didn't have CO's to win battles?
Why are taxes and a treasury included within the game if they are irrelevant to the average player.
The amount of money the eUK makes from taxes is sod all when compared to the cost of CO's. The real problem comes down to having poor players 'run' the country. A community the size of ours needs to be subsidized by a Sugar Daddy. Our tax base is too low to compete.
Most money spent on CO's in my opinion is wasted money. So no that does not impact most players.
Bravo Sir, about time more people spoke sense. Power corrupts, those in positions of power will often use every trick in the book in order to remain there, whether that is by themselves holding the keys or by a proxy 'leader' having 'control'. Of course, those that are in the driving seat will often tell you how bad things would be without them, how allies will disown us, MU's will MTO us, the treasury will be under threat, etc etc.
I disagree, if you want to get into congress, become PP etc. I will happily help you. At the moment you don't seem to be trying too hard. So if you really believe in this then why don't you actually try to get into a powerful position and make change.
Out of interest, when was the last time you stood for office/made a positive suggestion?
Standing for office was not a requirement of the game last time I looked. Just because you don't like tjis suggestion does not make it any less positive
Why does anyone stand for office, oh yes to stroke their egos.Mind you we do need egotistical sods like you to do the tedious task of running things. Yes there is a role for everyone.
Appleby m8, it says at the top that he's throwing rocks from the sidelines, if he runs for anything he isn't on the sidelines, eh?
This is the second article I've read today which attacks the "status quo". Instead of complaining, why not do something positive, as Apples suggests? Stand for office. Run for PP of your party. Run for congress. Give positive and constructive suggestions.
It wasn't all that long ago I was new to the game. I made a lot of mistakes, learned a lot and finally got involved in what I hope is a positive (if sometimes grumpy and cynical) manner. My gripe isn't with what you would call the "status quo", which has seen some fine additions during my time here (hell, our current CP is younger than me in eRep terms - and significantly younger than you in those terms). My gripe is more with the naysayers and destabilising elements, of which there seem to be more of late, despite the fortunes of the country taking a turn for the better over recent days.
Just because you decided to conform doesn't make you positive. The only argument people seem to be making is "Join us" which proves my point that if you don't want to conform you're essentially excluded.
Who said I'm conforming?
Just because you enter the system doesn't mean you need to conform. In fact just because you're in congress doesn't mean you have conformed.
He's back! The eUK's resident moaner. I love the way that in a game where you can literally portray yourself as anything. You decided you couldn't be bothered with any of that nonsense and stuck with being a grumpy old man.
So what would you do if Woldy made you dictator?
If I were made dictator? Simple, I would resign. I've said in the past I will never stand for political office. One day I might spend enough RL money to upset the apple cart but not today.
I wouldn't bother spending RL money. Just get yourself appointed as MoF (easy enough) and nick the Treasury. After all, nobody will notice.
It's a shame you equate spending RL money with making changes to the UK. The point of erep has always been to work together with other players to achieve something you couldn't on your own.
People moaning about things they are unwilling to invest any of there time into is the real problem. Something you excel at 😛
Some of us have lives outside of this game and the time and effort needed to achieve anything is more than it's worth
You can still participate without spending more than 10 mins a day. You hardly lose your life by spending a short amount of time on erep..
Utter bollocks
Sorry, but what change?
Yes, almost the same people are always in power, they just rotate their positions, but what is the opposition to them? I only seen King William stand out as some kind of opposition and alternative, what a "great" choice...
By accusing every commenter who disagrees with you as simply "conforming" and being part of the cabal you're criticising, you're effectively offering up anarchy as the only solution. I don't know whether that's your intention or not, but that's how it's coming over.
The reality of the situation is simple. You're right to identify a loose cabal of players who tend to run the show. You're wrong to accuse them of protecting their position no matter what.
I firmly believe that there is room for a genuine alternative group to collect itself together and take over control. And I don't think many would stand in their way. However, I see no sign of such a group actually forming.
I don't consider myself to be part of the current cabal, and I could see myself as being part of a new group. But I'm not going to, because - frankly - I can't be arsed. And what's the point? When it really comes down to it, what difference does being in government actually make? You've already stated that most players don't notice when the treasury gets nicked; would they notice a new group of people taking over? Are they even aware that we've been wiped by Argentina for the last few months? Did they notice when MEK took hold of the dictatorship - the very example of something significant happening that you use in your argument? If they didn't notice the treasury thefts, I'd say the chance of them noticing any of these other things is unlikely too.
I also believe there's a group of destructive, disruptive players collecting themselves together with the aim of taking control, and people are rightly and deliberately standing in their way. We all know who I'm talking about (Dapper, Ajay/King William etc), and they have form when it comes to getting hold of the reigns and then simply robbing the Treasury. If opposing this group automatically places someone in the ruling cabal you're so worried about, then so be it. But I don't accept your definitions, so for me this isn't a problem.
A useful reminder about our dear Wayne
This is a truly brilliant article and bang on the money, and responses in the comments section speak volumes,the problem is too many control freaks cheats and bullying from the same group of people wanting their own way its always been that way and these people just create new accounts or use their old accounts to fool everyone else and keep their control using multis, its pretty sad you only have to take TUP the highest party but we have silence from it and after 3 years of playing I look at the their members and think who are most of these guys, we also have problems of these groups of old players trolling articles and just ganging up on new people which sees people quit, I'm glad others see what is going on before they wipe out.bore,bully the rest of the Uk community, they actions make peaceful non aggressive players quite you only have to look at the comments section of the uk media, but until others speak out the Uk will also remain the same.
Good luck in your future writings dont let the trolls put you off!