The Economist ~ Notes on Canada's choices
Spite313
Dear friends,
I’m writing today about a country we all know and love, Canada. Neighbours to the UK, Spain and Poland they have often been known to land on the Welsh coast to have a romp round the English countryside before being evicted. They even wiped us once I believe.
I’m writing this article primarily in response to an article by the incoming Canadian CP Rylde. The article, called “Rylde 4 CP & 30 days of war”, is remarkably short and has one message - Canada will be at war all through his term and he is a war leader. Apart from the obvious fact that last time he was CP he ended up putting things in motion that got Canada wiped, I just want to point out one thing:
Canada doesn’t have to be at war with anyone.
Let me put it this way Canada. Poland really don’t care either way about you. Spain similarly. Your Southern neighbours are a wee bit annoyed about that inadvisable Serbian MPP, but they don’t hate you. And of course the UK, your ‘enemy’ in all of this, had been gradually building relations with Canada right up until you got bored and pressed the button, trashing your foreign policy.
Who knew they were amphibious?
Now personally I was pretty mad at the time, I’m not going to lie. I thought we were getting along ok, and the attack (and the timing with other countries) meant that we lost bonuses for quite a while and faced a genuine risk of wipe. I thought that was pretty un-neighbourly of you. But what was built in months can’t be destroyed overnight.
Canada, wiped and with the threat of a long term wipe, could have talked it’s way out of it’s predicament. Yet from the start, it seems talking and negotiation was not on the table. The only option was the “Rylde option”, to attack and keep attacking until eventually, after presumably months, you get free. Now this is stupid on two counts. Firstly because why fight for something you could get for free. Secondly because in doing so you are making yourselves the willing puppets of a country which sees you as nothing more than a convenient distraction for their actual enemy. I know that, because if I were them I’d be doing exactly the same.
Now if you want to douse yourselves in Maple Syrup, raise the war-Moose standard and bash your head against Poland’s ankle for the next month feel free. But if you’d rather talk about things, about mistakes made, and build a new foreign policy for Canada that involves you having fun (I’m not a pacifist) without that fun being limited to the rather narrow band of resisting occupation, you know where I am.
Iain
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“Rylde 4 CP & 30 days of war”
I think that just about sums it up.
Do not be afraid, spoland will put you as priorites Ian : D ...
MCMOOX je bio ovde !!!
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Dafuq? Is this a troll article?
Naturally
When I'm gonna see an article about eIreland 🙁
I think we will be busy RW'ing for a while no matter who became CP. Poland and the USA made it clear they wanted nothing to do with us. Spain was the only nation who was open to working with us. We did not want to left out of a main alliances a 2nd time. We did that for a few years and we were only invited into CoT at the very end when the USA was desperate for help. Now the USA does not need us they once again turn there back's on us.
As far as I'm aware nobody in eCan has made any attempt to contact any of the three countries they went to war with. If you think Serbia will make you a core nation of an alliance you're kidding yourselves.
Yet you kiss arse of eSerbia from v1, now poland put some shuger on her arse and op op there you are. (:
You kissed ass of Hungary in V1, now Romania put sugar on her arse and op op there you are (:
Oh wait, no that's just alliance realpolitik, and you are just following Serbia's best interests in the region. It is a sensible move and everyone with any intellectual maturity respects that.
mhm cool story bro, but we are still bros Huns and Serbs (:
But you and Serbs, ah maybe some old fa... but rest.
ps: There is nothing mature and intellectual, in betrayal! (:
Nothing will change in eCan, the same derps are always at the same posts. It is truly a dying nation. By rights it should be quarantined and used as an international nuke testing ground/toxic waste repository.
but Ballsack, You luv eCan
Whatever you say Leo, you still love us stubborn bastards.
We'll fight until the end.
At least it's a new spin on things Leo. Might even motivate some of the old team to come back from the eDead eh. You never know... Otherwise, yeah you guys drive me nuts!! 😕
It seems like Ian forgets that our allies; France, Ireland (not in this instance), Portugal, And our Scandinavian Brothers needed our help as they were being held down by the you (the UK) and Lithuania. These same allies will likely (or already have) joined the Serbian bloc because we are inherently anti-UK and anti spoland because of the events of the last two years (mind you we have almost always been anti UK). We may have been Poland and Spain's allies once, even the USA's but our country does not feel that these countries are worth our time.
It seems like you forget that Rylde is a Wartime president because we are currently occupied by your allies Spain and Poland. I could write an entire article just like this about how the UK has left behind their long time brothers Serbia and Hungary, but i think you get my point. We do what we have to do, and SPoland/USA are not our "friends" anymore.
-TE
SPoland and USA were never your friends, but if you think Serbia is your friend now you're wrong. It's simply a convenience place to put an MPP and occasionally send damage to distract other countries. Serbia is no more proFrance than Poland is, and France should be intelligent enough to realise that long term they are going to be occupied by one or both of Serbia and Poland. Serbs see them as a resource base, nothing more. As for Scandinavia, they are in the same boat as Canada, outside the main alliance spheres but used as distractions. If that's what you want for Canada, so be it. But it's stupid and irrational.
Serbia at least did not recently wipe us or hold does it hold any of our territories currently. If what you say is true we have no chance again of getting in a main alliance so it does not matter what we do, the result will be the same.
The United states and SPoland at one point were our friends. Many years ago, but they were all once our friends. It's why Canada has a significant number of former Polish citizens when they changed over to the other side. For you to say that they weren't our friends is ridiculous.
@Exalted Druid - you started that war. You can hardly blame them for closing it. But they don't hate you.
@Lwrence - being allies =! being friends. Just because they were allied with you years and years ago before they left EDEN means nothing.
The Serbians don't hate them either Iain. It's a game after all & a game that's been dying faster lately, than at any time in it's history. Not just the Canadian team, but pretty much all of teams are aching for a change up of some kind & it's clear it's not going to come from the Admin.
I thought that the reason that the UK switched sides, along with Poland & Spain et al, was to try to effect that change, that re-balancing of the table.
Why is it suddenly any less acceptable if the Canadians do it, to inject something different, in their game play??
If it turns out to be tactically wrong, then it's not the end of the world right? If in the meantime, they make new friends & have a blast then...
Frankly, I'm a bit surprised at your attitude about a decision made by a team, which is so similar to your own team's current decision & to several in the past? I don't get it.
If that's their measured decision then fine. They're not switching sides or anything since they weren't on either side. My article is just about how a knee jerk leap into Serbian arms is strategically poor and politically unnecessary. I don't believe Serbia is interested in being Canada's friend, they just see the convenience of having an MPP at Poland's back.
But how do you know that it was a knee jerk reaction? I don't know what's going on behind closed doors on the Canadian team...
And what would make the Spain, Poland, UK, Chile, USA option more attractive to them? In what way are these teams being "Canada's friend"?
You said it yourself, very clearly in your article, "Let me put it this way Canada. Poland really don’t care either way about you. Spain similarly. Your Southern neighbours are a wee bit annoyed..." & in your comment here, "SPoland and USA were never your friends,..."
So, if they made the same assessment of those teams, as you so non-patronizingly? did, then why are they wrong, but you are right?
Isn't it kind of hypocritical to try to make the Canadians feel like the "bad guys" for exploring a new option? especially because all of the teams "in your camp" have done that very thing in the past, some on numerous occasions.
Plus, I wasn't going to mention this cause I see that my fellow Canuckians haven't but, since I was a rookie at the time & have no fond memories of the Bromance, I'm really wondering what possessed you to say, "USA were never your friends"?
Not only did the Glorious Bromance between the USA & Canada set the stage for all of the other teams to follow up with their own, but it made it into tvtropes! & I know for a fact that you remember that.
So it begs the question, what about this game's history & those who skew it to suit their needs?
You're right, it is annoying, especially when someone does it, who you really don't expect it from.
And please guys, anyone who is reading this, I say all of this in a friendly tone of voice, not in any way to be mean or rude. I'm just really surprised, that's all.
It's a game. The guys have made their decision. I think it could go either way for them. I hope that they end up in a better position, than say my Aussies or Kiwis, who've had much worse luck in this game, although best when on the dark side. 😛
1. Canada are not bad guys. There is no good or bad side.
2. Canada's response was based on a need to fight SPoland. I'm not saying they would have chosen differently, but choosing Serbia is the only logical choice if you have to fight Poland. If you don't have to fight Poland, you have more options, many of which are militarily better.
This is all in the article, I'm beginning to believe you didn't read it...
Also, "I don't believe Serbia is interested in being Canada's friend, they just see the convenience of having an MPP at Poland's back."
And I'll admit, I'm horrible at strategy, everyone knows that, but if Serbia benefits by "having an MPP at Poland's back", then isn't it in their best interests to defend that position whenever they can.
I stress "whenever they can" here, because as every team in the game also knows, Serbia has been the whipping boy of eRep from Day 1, when the country was added to the game & Croatia PTO'ed it right out from under them & pretty much since then. Or is Serbia not allowed to make strategically sound decisions? 😒
I can't imagine that the Serbians made any illusions to anything more than that. Overall they're pretty much straight shooters when it comes to that kind of thing I think, as long as the guys doing the talking are the guys with the power to guarantee whatever was discussed.
It's exactly as I said before, Serbia is damned if they do & damned if they don't. I just don't normally see it coming from players like yourself & yeah! I'm genuinely surprised.
Iain, "but choosing Serbia is the only logical choice if you have to fight Poland. "
Okay, I know you meant to say, "isn't the only logical..."
And yes, I did so read the article. I read it twice & some parts more!! cause I was kind of you know? surprised!! ò.ó
Maybe I shouldn't have been, but there you go, I'm just naive that way, unfortunately!!
And hey you! you glossed right over all of my good points in my walls eer comments & don't be telling me that they weren't good points, so that's not a good way to debate at all... 🙁
No, I meant what I said. If I was Canada, I'd pick Serbia because they're only country with a chance of removing Poland. On the other hand if Poland offered peace, freedom and friendship, I would have two choices. What I am saying is the idea that Canada had just one option - to fight Poland - heavily influenced it's decision. And that was an untrue premise.
Idk how many times I have to repeat this very basic concept...
Ahhh okay sorry. If you had said, "but choosing Serbia is the logical choice, only if you have to fight Poland," then I would have understood it that way.
I have no idea what the major factors were, that influenced the Canadian's decision, if there were any at all. It may very well have been decided by a coin toss. xD Or they may have seriously debated it.
Regardless, the question that stays with me remains unchanged, especially when you repeat things like,
"On the other hand if Poland offered peace, freedom and friendship, I would have two choices. What I am saying is the idea that Canada had just one option - to fight Poland - heavily influenced it's decision. And that was an untrue premise.
Idk how many times I have to repeat this very basic concept..."
given Poland's history in this game & their line up.
I know! A ton of teams have done it too. But that just reinforces my questions as to why you thought that this particular carrot should have been a more attractive lure, than any other?
Iain, it's going on 6AM here & I haven't been to bed yet, so I'm going to let you go. I'm just going to quickly read any other replies to me you may have made out of politeness.
I probably won't reply, because really eh, what's the point? Plus my hands are freezing & the cats are meowing so, I really have to get going.
I'll do us all a favour & not read anymore of your articles. 😛pP1P
Still at least Canada likes giving equal opportunities to those of a low I.Q
You were in eCanada long enough for a cup coffee which is what everyone suspected.
Good for them and if they won money off a sweepstake from it then I want my share, I came and tried and to be honest bar some excellent citizens such as Mary, Homer and Klopp amongst a few others I just didn't enjoy it. I got offered an old role i enjoyed so left...perhaps if you were more welcoming to others maybe, just maybe you wouldn't have the reputation as a nation you currently have
Not sure it is advisable to run for CP in a country before your first coffee is even cold. Everyone liked your idea's just not the timetable.
I wasn't running. Claire wanted to run because she was bored with the game as a whole and wanted to do something different. She would have ran wherever she was at the time.
I know I just saw you as a team. I was disappointed she never made it on the ballot in the end.
With the occupation of our country I think 30 days of war will cover that to achieve freedom. I have no plans for direct NE's against our neighbors as were outnumbered and surrounded. Hey if we get free sooner I'll change the title to 20 days of war or whatever amount covers it.
Miau
Who cares about foreign political crap. Erepublik a war game, and it gets boring rapidly when your country isn't at war. eCanada doesn't have any neighboring hostile country that we can invade beside UK. And if Poland and Spain want to babysit UK, well I am willing to take the risk of being wipe. We will enoy the game in the meantime. : )
Hear, hear
You make it sound like Canada was the attacker and UK -Spoland the victims.
Ohhhh my ...
What? Canada did attack us... we were getting on quite well until they did
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You made a mistake and you can not turn it back now : )
What mistake?