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Nee. Zonde. We hebben juist zoveel spelers met een Dafatar... 🙁

Ik weet het, ik heb me juist daar altijd persoonlijk voor ingezet. Maar dit lijkt me het beste signaal om te laten zien dat hij buiten zn boekje gaat.

Schrijf je ook nog een mooi artikel nu Weekstrom Is afgetreden? Lijkt mij wel op zijn plaats, en wil ook graag wat dafatars terug zien 😛

Met welk doel? Vind het vertragen van Weekstrom nog steeds niet sjiek. Blij dat hij uiteindelijk heeft toegegeven.

As Commander I asked a few questions about our foreign politics in the commander chat. 5 minutes later odan did sent me a message to hand over command to the MoD.
As I fully agree with the order I got when assuming command toi make sure the MU (back then called Navy) stayed military and not political I expressed that and asked why. After several messages in which odan mentioned almost nothing else as "its the law" he mentioned there are plans with DAF. My question about those plans still isn't answered. Only by "hand it over, its the law"

As my main concern is with the soldiers I still await the plans to be able to see if the plans will benefit the soldiers. To be frank; I don't think there are plans.

That said; If the soldiers are fine with me leaving command and hand it over to a potentially monthly changing MoD I'm fine with that. After all I mentioned several times I want to be relieved by a non political successor and get my hands free.

As for you "protest" ElGorro; I deem it very unwise. Yet I understand it from the position your in. Sadly it underlines the worries expressed to me when I assumed command way back.

I respect you as Commander. Thats not the problem. Maybe odan have reasons not to discuss the plans with you. It really doesn't matter and don't care. The problem is you think to have the right to negotiate your position. It's not up to you or the soldiers, as stated allready in my protest.
Hope you come to senses soon and follow your orders.

Perhaps he has. And if so I have serious reasons not to trust them as why would he not be able to discuss them with me? If it are plans benefiting the soldiers and eNL he should have no worries and you know that.

Apart from that; It's not my position I'm worried about. Its the well-being of the common soldier who on average is no politician and is only here to train and fight.

The MU was created as a way to create unity on the battlefield (and get rid of a powerful private MU which for several was the main reason) and called "State MU" so players could benefit from state support and become stronger. We all know that support is less, or equal at best to other non state MU's. So the State has more reason to be glad with the MU as the MU has to be a State MU. And the law you refer to (which I don't know) was no doubt created after the integration of MU's in one.

We also know that after we effectively killed the power of that other MU the players that were frontrunners in stating we should create one MU started, or joined, another MU. So what happened to unity then all of a sudden? Nothing naturally, but it were just dirty politics.

As for "Negotiating my position"; I'm not. I don't care. I care for the soldiers. That's my role and I will defend them. One of the things I'll do for that is ask why decisions are made/taken. You of al people know I don't act because of a law. Never did, never will. I need reasons, proof or agreement from the ones I represent.

You act as a Commander of a Private MU not as a Commander of a State MU. Sorry to say so, but I really disrespect how you are acting right now.

I don't understand your position Weekstrom. You are always a fighter against making military decisions political, and yet you are doing the exact same thing.

It is up to the government who they want as Commander. They decided you should be replaced and this may be or not be positive for our country and for our soldiers. It is your job to take care of our soldiers as commander. But if the command is switched to someone else, it isn't your job anymore.

It is up to the politicians (i.e. everyone in our country who can think, write and vote) to express their opinions and to take care of the people and structures who will maybe be damaged by this decision.

I invite everyone to participate in the debates and in public media articles to discuss these things. We are all citizens and we should all voice our opinions. In the end the people decide what happens in this country.

I'm acting as I was asked/ordered to act by gov itself when I was assigned ElGorro. Making sure the MU will be run as military unit, not as a gov unit with ever changing direction for example as a result of elections.
The fact there is not even a plan and I'm ordered to hand over command minutes after asking questions about foreign policy/actions underlines that.

Are you serious? Odan needs to share his "awesome plan" to us the community, to the congress who decided if the plan go or not

Also as "neutral citizen" I am happy to see you without any avatar, thanks for the gesture

As I'm arguing on the forum, the law does not clearly state that the CP would have such a right.
It's definitely not the "daily management" clause that some people have been refering to.

Also, I'll do my best to keep the government and the DAF separated. If gov members end up as commanders of the DAF, I'll MoNC them.

I asked odan if one of the most active non-political soldiers, epix, had been contacted, and his answer was a simple no... To me that already suggests that things are being rushed, which is something I do not like. Also this fast procedure to start a vote, which was then (illegally) moved while it was on-going suggests that people are too much in a rush.

I've threatened three MoNCs in one post, which probably is a new record for me... I typically tend to leave it at one... But I do not like the procedure that's being followed. It is highly non-transparent, and rushed, so as to counter all opposition by pushing it through before they've come up with their arguments.

If there were good arguments for this replacement, and a good plan to avoid issues, then this would be a totally different story. But right now, we're getting some very short glimpses of a potential future, and our own imagination has to fill the gaps. And that leads to a total lack of consensus.

There is simply no objective reason for this rush, which is the biggest concern I have with all this. I don't like rush when it's not needed. Weekstrom is not destroying our state MU...

thx!

2. The Country President of the eNetherlands is the head of the Government of the eNetherlands and the supreme commander of the Armed Forces of the eNetherlands.

Yes, he can give orders to anyone in the Armed Forces of the eNetherlands. Such as which priorities should be set, or how the DO should be set, or what campaigns should be mentioned in the MoD articles.

I fail to see your point? The relevant law is "3. All state institutions of the eNetherlands are subject to the authority of the Congress of the eNetherlands."

Ordering the CO to transfer command is an order in my opinion. And yes, Congress can overrule everything if needed. Not saying CP needs to ask permission for any change.

If the fallout is potentially as dramatic as it is in this case, definitely the CP should inform congress before starting this mess.

In this case, replacing the commander of DAF is an "at most once a year" sort of thing, far from the ordinary "daily management" duties of the government. So the government should not be doing it without involving congress. In this case congress was only involved after Weekstrom disputed the governments authority...

Other replacements that rarely occur (KeyKeeper, Dictator) require explicit congress agreement according to our lawbook. In this case implicit agreement would have sufficed. But with the huge gaps in the argumentation it is unlikely that congress would not object to this replacement.

Typical Odan behavior.

How could a know traitor of eNL ever become CP?

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Meh, I'll take Weekstrom over Tim anyday

Rather follow Weekstorm then that silly little man

Personally I prefered Weekstrom over Tim aswell. But Weekstrom earned my disrespect with his acts of mutiny.

Weekstrom's so called "acts of mutiny" are because he does not believe the government has the right to replace him without backing of congress. As congress was not even made aware at initial time he was ordered to resign, Weekstrom was completely correct.

The government should not be doing stuff like this behind congress's back...

At this time there is no concensus within congress as to what the hell is going on here. In real life congress would have used a motion of no confidence against any government doing stuff like this behind its back.
In any case, also his current refusal to promote Tim to new commander is not unjustified.

Its not up to Weekstrom, simple as that. Congress voted in favor btw.

I know congress voted in favour of removing him, so as soon as a suitable replacement has been found that can be done...
Until that time Weekstrom will have to stay.