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My money is on EDEN too! Nice article o7

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Serbia over 200 billion! o/

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HAIL BULGARIA!
HAIL PHOENIX!
HAIL CoT!

HAIL BIA 07

i miss old battle module 🙁

The hexagonal, dial-up connection battlefield nightmare one?

Well, you can add Macedonia to Phoenix too, and then you can put your money on Phoenix : )
Macedonia would certainly be part of Phoenix, so...

Great article anyways.. o/

F.Y.R. Macedonia was a member at one point, but not an original member, and it wasn't a member when Bulgaria was, so its one of the other. If I add Macedonia to PHOENIX would require me switching Bulgaria to EDEN. This is meant as a match-up between the alliances at a certain date, some countries were members of both so I can't include the entire historical roster.

If that was your point, okay.
I understood it as match-up and current time, with current countries, and if so, Macedonia would stay at least neutral, which is I believe, impossible.

The same could be said for China, Argentina, Chile, France, Mexico etc. but the point is this is a particular snapshot in time of two alliances, I could've broadened it and added other countries, but PHOENIX only survived 4-5 months after the point in time I have in mind, so there was little point really.

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In your scenario you should put the condition that only those countries exist with those stats, because you've taken an old alliance setup but you've put countries with their current stats and as countries evolved everything around them evolved too.

I think you're missing the point, this is a simple "What If": what would happen if today those were the alliances and they fought using the current Battle Mod. That's all.

Those were the alliances but countries aren't the same ones as before and as countries evolved what's around them evolved also. So you're using current stats on an old model but without taking into account other things that have changed also. R. of Macedonia is just one of those examples. That's why for your model to work you should put the condition that only those countries exist and they are with those stats and in the current setup.

I understand what your saying, but I think people should be able to fathom out that I'm using present day Damage output and old alliance line-ups to see how those two alliances would fare "if" they were the presentday alliances. The premise is stated in the question that leads the article: take the line-up of old alliances at a particular point in time and use the present Battle Module to pit them against each other. R. Macedonia wouldn't fit, nor would Argentina or China etc., in the case of Macedonia and Argentina because I've included Bulgaria in PHOENIX, and Macedonia and Argentina only joined PHOENIX after Bulgaria left. Like I say above, its was one or the other, I sought a very specific point in time to get two balanced alliances, it wasn't an attempt to compare the entire historical rosters of each alliance against each other.

Hail Phoenix!

You have marked Ukraine on Phoenix (!) map but not calculate its damage neither Eden or Phoenix. Did not vote

Ukraine are not marked on the PHOENIX map. They're not included here as they were in neither alliance at the point in time that this comparison is based.

ok understand but
http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/240304-314201315754PM screenshot of ukraine on map

Ah yeah, I see what you mean sorry. The map was from an older time I believe, I couldn't get an accurate one. And I couldn't get one for EDEN at all from that period. On the wiki they deleted the old ones before uploading a new one, so no record was kept unfortunately.

nice

Phoenix

EDEN and only EDEN!

You've not made any consideration for Divisional dynamics. The most critical battles are always won in D1, D2, and D3. I wonder what those numbers would look like?

Also, some day I would like to see some figures which reflect how successful each nation is in directing its damage. For instance, in eUSA, our damage may be high, but our ability to direct it into one major battle is not always very good. We have three distinct military biases in this country, so our damage often gets trifurcated.

Regarding Div battles or even single campaigns between most of those countries I wouldn't like to hazard a guess, as that's all it would really be. My choice is based more on the attritional side of things: who I think would eventually get the upperhand over say 3-4 months of combat. For me that would be EDEN. The non-Balkan powerhouses USA-Poland-Spain perfectly compliment the Balkan(-ish) powerhouses Croatia-Romania-Greece, PHOENIX doesn't/didn't have that kind of balance, though they'd always have the upperhand in the Balkans.

Poland has the best organised military imo, having fought against them constantly for the last 7-8 months. There doesn't appear any kind of military splits like there is in places like the eUS or eSerbia, so when your fighting them they're pouring everything into a single battle and closing it out. Plus they have a habit of waiting until close to the end of a battle, say the last 10mins, when their Damage is most valuable before showing up in force, and they do that a lot. I haven't seen any other country with that level of coordination. Though as Poland haven't had any serious competition on the battlefield for what seems like years, I can understand they've had time to work on technique. The problem with comparing countries like Serbia and Poland is Poland have no real competition so what looks so easy for them is more to do with the calibre of opposition I suppose. China can probably match the Poles in D4, so considering what the Chinese recently did to the Serbs, it will be interesting to see how that war pans out, and whether the Polish can triumph were the Serbs failed abysmally. Though that they're taking the scenic route through Russia suggests they don't fancy getting a border with China until FYROM is in position.

Pointless article is pointless

Pointless comment is pointless.

Pointless article AND pointless comments are pointless!

Hail Phoenix!

Butthurt edenite, living in the past.

But the fact is, even back then eden sucked so bad that Poland, Spain and Sweden hated it and simply left it, never even looking back.

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""so considering what the Chinese recently did to the Serbs, it will be interesting to see how that war pans out, and whether the Polish can triumph were the Serbs failed abysmally""

Are you on drugs?
Chinese only managed to win a couple of battles against Serbia before being pushed back to Mongolia + Erepublik being banned in RL China since few months ago, China is now only a shadow of it former self, inhabited by Balkan edenites. Not even a challenge for countries like Poland or Serbia.

Stop talking out your arsehole Norbengo. The Chinese defeated Serbia. The Serbs had one objective: colonise original Chinese regions - FAIL! You may be able to sugar-coat that fail, but that's really neither here nor there. The facts speak for themselves.


"[China is] Not even a challenge for countries like Poland or Serbia."

Those Chinese citizens were banned about 6-7 months before the Serb attack on China, so again this has absolutely no application to anything being discussed. At least check your facts before talking shite like this.

""The Serbs had one objective: colonize original Chinese regions - FAIL!""
Lies again... Easy now butthurt liar, there's no need for such a language.
Serbians have never intended to colonize Chinese regions, kid you are so delusional... Serbia had 10/10 for months now, like it needed more colonies in China...
Fact 1: NO RL CHINESE PLAYS THIS GAME, China is only a remote PTOed colony of EDEN, nothing more, no one cares about it.
FACT 2: Poles attcked Russia cuz they were bored and to fuel their nationalism, not because of some dead ass China

'Serbians have never intended to colonize Chinese regions, kid you are so delusional... Serbia had 10/10 for months now, like it needed more colonies in China...'

Your fulla shit norbengo, the Serbs attacked China months before they even regained Aquitaine, so claiming they already had 10/10s and were in it for the lulz is some serious BS even for a merchant like you.

'Fact 1: NO RL CHINESE PLAYS THIS GAME, China is only a remote PTOed colony of EDEN'

Lolololo, funny cause I know many mainland Chinese who play, I think most people do. Because you don't know any, don't presume they don't exist.

"FACT 2: Poles attcked Russia cuz they were bored and to fuel their nationalism, not because of some dead ass China"

More bullshit. The Poles were seeking passage to China but were denied by the Russian government. Fact! Stop pretending you know anything about this stuff norbengo, because evidently you know fuck all.

Hail Phoenix! o/

The Entente would crush them all.

HAIL ENTENTE §§§

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in this situation it would be an interesting war but most likely with the victory of EDEN, Phoenix would control the balkans but nothing more, and after a few months the difference in bonuses would crush the Phoenix.
But today is hard to imagine the eWorld where the triumphant combo of Serbia, Poland, Spain and Hungary are not fighting together.

Right, especially with Argentina, Brazil and Chile (Columbia and Mexico) in the same alliance in the Americas. Just a hint, not EDEN.

Hail Phoenix!

yes, except Argentina was in Phoenix as well, I like the way you manipulated the numbers though as it appears on the map with Phoenix countries but not in the numbers, conviniently

Out of the rest of the countries, both Chile and Mexico were pro-Phoenix and so was France where a lot of the fighting between Phoenix and EDEN happened (Germany too)

Also Macedonian players were in Phoenix countries and fighting for Phoenix.

Italy and Ukraine both had stints in both alliances

So when you look at it objectively it would be no contest. However thank god there are enough idiots" enough that have cause some minimal changes so that we haven't been stuck into the same battle all this time, though even to this day it is the same hate ridden fight that is defining the map for everyone.

Hopefully a new era after 4 years will be upon us, though the last eek has been a huge step back from that possibility.

@eDarkAngel/Stolch - Perhaps you should actually read the replies I deliver to other comments. Argentina and Macedonia were NOT in Phoenix at the same time as Bulgaria, this is the Phoenix alliance and EDEN at a certain point in time which includes neither Macedonia, Argentina, China etc. I state as much in the original question.

And there was no "manipulation" between the map/numbers, that was the only map I could find. Stop being your usual paranoid middle-aged self and chill for once.

haha, no actually as a researcher I'm used to come across doctoring of numbers to suit a point so I recognize it right away.

You've somehow ignored 400-500 bilion or more monthly damage and most of it would be going one side assuming the rational you're putting forward.

Anyway whatever floats your boat.

Argentina was in Phoenix at the same time as Bulgaria.
Stop, pls just stop making up things...
Butthurt edenites make really lousy journalists...