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Congratz.

I hope there's no any multis... Congratz

Multies and illegals...

You can be big, but the belgian beer is party is much cooler.
Because we know all about kung-foo! Nice 😉

1) Multies
2) PTOers

1 + 2 = half of it's members

v8, shout

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Yes we can!

Yes we can...
what can hope do? make multies?

A shame that some people can only respond to greatness with empty accusations..

H.O.P.E de grootste/the biggest

mond/mouth

Fail H.O.P.E
Fail Vincent
Fail PTO'ers

I like apples!

lol Fhaemita can't you say anything else than Fail? And try to stay consistent in your use of Fail. Still like you thou 🙂

the biggest is not always the best, but who knows....we will see

You guys should bring proves before saying they are multi and pto'ers.
Anyway, there is a clear lack of gif (haha) but none the less, a great article ^.^

@Swaqq
Look at history and the CS thread. Most if not all new members that are in HOPE are accepted illegally like that of Nova.Navid etc. Vincent Pain himself is an illegal immigrant who tried to PTO eBE countless times and was banned before for using multies. A Vegan is a PTOer as well. Both A Vegan and Vincent Pain are found by the SC that they are a threat to the eBE community due to their PTO and illegal immigration practices and status.

I don't see any proves in what you just said.
I know about Vincent and the fact he got banned, yet, if I can give my point of view :
He's obviously a Belgian citizen, he's not from another wierd country and he has support from Belgian. If he reach the CP, I wont call it a PTO.

Also, I checked his post on the forum before, to get some information and he was pretty active for the community.

Beside all that, I agree that Vincent has dangerous idea for eBelgium so Im not his close friends by any means.

Maybe Vincent is bad. I don't know but don't accuse a whole party to be some kind of terrorist/multi-lord association which is not the case. And if you have doubts, please, contact the support.

You do not see proofs? Did you check the private section of the forum? Did you see most of the members that are "active" in HOPE are illegals. Being banned before is not proof? Vincent Pain and A Vegan was and still is not an active part of the community. They spam the forums and media at times saying they want gov funding for their private MU etc and now HOPE and their Headhunter MU which was LCC and Libertad Commune was a front organization for Greek PTO. I really suggest that you study eBE history.

You are new and in time you will see that they are not interested in the community but themselves. They seek political and economical dominance. It is good that they are not really active or effective so that their PTO attempts are not too effective. Now they try to appeal to the new players who lacks experience and historical context. They can shout rhetoric of social justice but not real policy. In the end, they want to destroy the community and take power for themselves. This is why no one respected older members of the society support them. They only prey and manipulate the young and the innocent.

When I asked for proof it was mostly about the accusation of them reaching first place because of multi.

For the case of Vincent and A Vegan we have totaly différent understanding about the meaning of a PTO.

A vegan few month ago, before joining hope was in my party and left because of his inactivity. It was a little party and A Vegan was just a random Belgian citizen looking to get involved more in the game.

But well, if you give them only hate, I can understand why most of them will turn evil.

Just to make clear I have never asked funding for any MU. And have been a very active citizen in the past (both on the forum and in game). It seems Konrad likes to tell lies and has clearly no understanding of what is reality. He calls me a PTOer. Why? When have I ever PTOed any party? Indeed Konrad PTOed the party that I co-founded (BCP). I founded HOPE from scratch and in one month it became a big party. Now it is the biggest party of eBe (I don't take credit to this). Fact is that I gave Vincent eBe CS twice (because he is a RL Belgian) and it seems some people hate me because of this.

Fact is that Konrad is not a RL Be and has only had the eBe citizenship for a couple of months. In those months he tried his best to destroy the community as much as possible. And partially he succeeded. Since that he can't stop on spreading his hate. Why?

Anyway I think it is mostly sad for him. Clearly he has a lot of hate inside of him. I hope in RL you can work it out Konrad..

Dear Mr. Vegan,

Yes, I am so full of hate and stuff that is why most of the community supports me and why the SC found you are a threat etc. You will stop at nothing to slander my name to hide his crime. You and Vincent are a threat in which with the state's blessing, we ended your reign of terror on your PTO party. We killed off the LCC party which was a front for Greek PTOers. Who would of thought that you will than transform HOPE, a top 5 party to a PTO front. It is a shame really and you should be ashamed with yourself. You cannot convince the people of your radical views and you decide that you are above the law and do what you want at the expense of the community. Why do you hate the community so much that you continue to break the rules and accept CS of enemy agents into eBE?

Also what does being RL BE has to do with anything? Does real life nationality matters? That is the problem with A Vegan and Vincent Pain. They claim to support the "left" and the voice of the people etc, but they are a fraud. From radical left rhetoric to eBE for RL BEer nationalism, they are not true "liberator/ supporter" of the "classing class" (a term they created for the average folk). They are confused individuals still bent on personal profit and gains. This is why they have no support from the legitimate community and have to resort to deceiving and manipulating the new and the innocent.

Konrad! De enige ilegale immigrant hier ben jij! Jij die doodleuk België binnen walste en hier kwam potverteren, BOOST YOUR STRENGTH, Citizenpacks etc... je gebruikte en misbruikte de vlamingen en de walen. Het soort zoals jij is zoals een kanker je leeft en teert van de staat en begrijpt niet dat anderen voor u werken!

KONRAD = PARASIET

AVEGAN tracht niet om een inhoudelijk debat met KONRAD te voeren, het enige inhoud waar hij over beschikt zijn leugens en valse verwijten. 😉

Oh God, please, stop it... We're not people you think we are...

"I am so full of hate and stuff that is why most of the community supports me"
Konrad, most of your little community support you, yes. But the eRepublik community is a lot bigger then that.

Like most of your community support the scam of Kylero. Being banned of the eBelgium forum doesnt mean anything with all this cronyism. You could be Hitler, as long as you're an old friends to some poeple, you wont have any problem.

By the way : we will build a bigger and a stronger Belgium, while you guys like to close Belgium's door and leave the new player alone. We will babysit them and see them growth.

And if you don't like it, it's ok because we don't actually need you.

@SwaqqCoryn Their really is proof of Vincent Pain being a PTOer....
+ you don't need 90% of Belgian citizens?? how are you going to run a country without the people??

since when 90 % of the eBelgian citizen support konrad ? LOL.

@SwaqqConn

If it is not 90 percent, it is pretty darn close. I do find it interesting that you as a new player who talks of community etc does not listen to their more experience peers. I am not saying you should obey us etc but you must ask yourself a question on why are things the way it is. I find your Hitler comparison distasteful but the difference between the community and that of AVegan and Vincent Pain's PTO gang is that the community has legitimacy and popular support. We follow the eBE constitution and laws and they do not. They tried to get Poland and later Greeks to PTO eBE and put them as leaders.

eBE will never be bigger or stronger. Babybooms are harmful to the community and does not last long. You can always look into eHistory of not only eBE but other countries. All babybooms cause great social disruptions and huge disunity via having inexperience players lacking knowledge of both history and game mechanics trying to change policy that really does not work. With time the babyboom will end in bust. For babybooms are bubbles and will burst.

So I think you have a choice, Sure you do not need us but are you going to do what they do and ignore and tries to destroy the constitution and laws of eBE that maintains order and unity in the community for 3 plus years? Are you going to bring everything to ingame via PM's and end all transparency and accountability in the governance of eBE? Are you going to have open door policy and let all PTOers in willy nilly? Are you really going to go and destroy the governance and administration of the community because you do not understand the history and what they stand for in the current situation.

Speaking from experience in which I have almost 5 years of and active in many communities from eUS, eUK, eBE, eNL, eGermark, ePhilippines. etc. I know the value of community. It might sound egotistical to you, but you really need to learn the basics before you can run.

I allready said I didnt share Vincent idea. So it's not about me trying to help them destroying eBelgium... Please.

It's just your way to bully a whole party that makes me puke. Because let's make some straight fact here : H.O.P.E Isnt full of multi and PTO'er.

Other fact ? You'd be lucky to have 10% of the real eBelgian community behind you. I don't know how you can say such thing as "90%" xD

As for us (by us, I mean Babyboom this time) not succeding at growing eBelgium, time will tell. And once it's done, you guys won't be able to shit on poeple for free anymore.

I quote you
" I do find it interesting that you as a new player who talks of community etc does not listen to their more experience peers. I am not saying you should obey us etc but you must ask yourself a question on why are things the way it is."

Well first of : I listen to others.
4 PPL warned me in private about Vincent. When I asked some others "old" guy opinion (don't ask whp) they said to me that even if Vincent was stupid, he wasnt a PTO'er.

So yes, I wont just blindly shit on the HOPE party because you want me to.
When I started on this game, you guys litteraly did the same thing to me and it was "normal"

also : I read pretty much every serious topic on the forum about Vincent. That's why Im saying Im not supporting him.

If he didnt change his mind, he want war with Poland and we all know how dangerous that is.

as for this quote :

"So I think you have a choice, Sure you do not need us but are you going to do what they do and ignore and tries to destroy the constitution and laws of eBE that maintains order and unity in the community for 3 plus years? Are you going to bring everything to ingame via PM's and end all transparency and accountability in the governance of eBE? Are you going to have open door policy and let all PTOers in willy nilly? Are you really going to go and destroy the governance and administration of the community because you do not understand the history and what they stand for in the current situation."

If for exemple, I manage to get CP on eBelgium and your community ban me from the eBelgium forum, it's not an issue. I know you guys can find a way to say I try to PTO the country. ^.^

Like I said, I wont need you. I can make another forum, a better one with a much more active admin. And with time, trust me, it will get a lot more interaction then yours.

Anyway, Im not CP and not running for it. Yet.
But this country isnt yours. so I suggest you stop acting like it's granted.

"As for us (by us, I mean Babyboom this time) not succeding at growing eBelgium, time will tell. And once it's done, you guys won't be able to shit on poeple for free anymore."

You really do not understand. It is not about power but the well being of the community. Rapid shift in population up or down causes great disruptions. However it is evident that you are only interested in playing a zero sum game and deals with terms of power and dominance. My people will silence your people bla bla bla. This is a great attitude to have, right? It is indeed a pity that you think that way and does not help your image as well. You are banned from the forums and with that attitude not for the betterment of the country but that of political dominance, I now sympathize with them banning you. Draconian that maybe, but it is the more secure action to take. In the end, eBE will always remain a small and weak country. It will grow but not via babybooms. It will only grow via legal and illegal immigration. We do have a good immigration policy and people do get in like that of Alexandross. Letting PTOers in like Vincent Pain etc is not the way to go.

"Like I said, I wont need you. I can make another forum, a better one with a much more active admin. And with time, trust me, it will get a lot more interaction then yours."

Go ahead. We will see how long that will last. You are not the first to try and not the first to fail. I am being blunt here but you lack legitimacy both in the domestic and the international. No country will recognize it nor will the eBE community. Unless you do PTO this country with illegals, your chances of getting your new forum to be the dominate forum is slim to nil. With that said, no foreign government will recognize it.

Im not banned from the forum, your lack of skill at reading could nearly match your lack of knowledge.
But now I guess it is evident for everyone that you're full of shit.

Oh and by the way "My people will silence your people bla bla bla. This is a great attitude to have, right?"

By banning them from the forum, you guys arent doing that at all. Lol, I mean, okay.
This is getting beyond stupid.

Inform yourself, clear your head from your anger and then we'll talk if you want. Or I guess you don't need valid argument when you have 90% of the community behind you ? That was the biggest joke of the night.

We will see how long you will last and will you even make a new forum etc. Some members of your party seems to agree with me in that your loudness and lack of experience is embarrassing. eBE is a real polite place and maybe it is too polite, but I can assure you that if you do politically survive here, it is purely luck and you never make it in a different country. You can say I am full of shit, got ahead, but my shit has 5 years experience while you have none. You think talking loud and have silly pics will convince a community with years of history and tradition to suddenly change to your world views only. I think that is a bigger BS than me saying your attempts will result in failure. I am not running for anything in eBE so I can afford to be frank. The following are the possible outcome of your political future.

-You can either finally listen and think you know what is best and to work with the community.
-Your attempts with the babyboom and new forum fails and you are so fed up and you will move to a different country.
-Your attempts with the babyboom and new forum fails and you stop playing this game
-You will not do anything and just fade away.

Either way, there will be no new forums and no radical legitimate change.

"By banning them from the forum, you guys arent doing that at all."

To address your quote, unless you want to say eBE Supreme Court and the whole eBE congress are some kind of political assassin and eBE is some kind of Soviet Gulag system, you really have no idea what you are talking about. It is about legitimacy and if you want to overthrow government and silence people etc maybe you should join Vincent Pain and A Vegan etc. In the end, if you are really going to do what you said, I think you should be banned.

When I say "If you guys ban me from the forum, ill make another one."
You read : "Im banned from the forum and I will make another one !"

You disform what I said in the last two post. And lied in the first one, Im done with that.

It's pathetic.

I really wonder when any of the older players here are going to react to Konrad his bullsh..
I know you all take political advantage out of his constant lies and slander but be at least a little bit honest and gave some proud. Not reacting is just as bad. I hope someone will be decent enough to stand up and set things straight..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGhuYsMW4VY

http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/rankings-parties/1/32

Number 2 so

HOPE is number 1... almost.

Arguments > demonisation.

Just a random opinion of mine.

SwaqqCoryn, don't listen to konrad. He's an idiot.

Besides, the fact that you allow yourself to into his overlong circlejerk arguments proves that he succeeded into trolling you. It's not like he says anything decent anyway. And when he does, he usually writes his argument in a 5 pages long text when it can be summarized in one phrase.