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I'm Remain.

You should move to Europe.

Wish I could!

Check a map Nige, the UK is in Europe.

I have and we are an island not connected to Europe. Not sure what map you are looking at.

You should pass that on to Boris, that may be the loophole he's looking for to get out of the EU without going to prison!

"We can't legally be in the EU because the UK is its own continent and not part of Europe"

Worth a try if the "we're going to throw our toys out the pram and the EU will kick us out when they get tired of picking them up" plan doesn't work.

Guess Northern Ireland is not in the UK, they are on an island not connected to Great Britain.

Using that logic Ireland isn't in Europe either - Irexit anybody? Reminds me of a famous Times headline from Edwardian times - Fog in Channel, Continent isolated

The public have voted leave.

I was a Remainer who now supports a No-deal Brexit with no more delays after all the high jinks.

aint you American?

Certainly not!

ah right, my apologises for the insult then. Anyway, you are going against the narrative. It's only leavers that are supposed to have changed their minds!

Lets just say i voted 😉

Leave

In 3 years I have hardly found many remainers on the street.

Didn't see many suggestions of the possibility of a no-deal Brexit when the original referendum was held

What is Brexit?

Brexit means Brexit.
Clear?

Oooo I got it Brexit ...... that's nice 😃😃😃

Remain I have not heard a single genuine good reason to leave.

I can give you a couple other than the cost of 8.5 Billion a year, Like being our own Sovereign nation and having our own controls on Immigration. 3 good reasons.

We get far more than than relatively piffling amount from our membership of the single market and the customs union. Our citizens get most of that back in EU grants and farming subsidies etc. We have our own controls on immigration, we are not part of Schengen. We are still a sovereign nation just like Germany and France, but like them we have to obey treaties we have signed. Now give me a good reason. which EU rules that the UK opposed do you disagree with? What benefit will we gain from alienating our closest neighbours and trading partners, representing >50% of our trade? How will our citizens gain from losing freedom of movement? How will we gain by losing financial and service access to the single market? Still if you are rich you will be fine especially if you have currency in Euros, or have placed bets on the pound sinking. Otherwise you would have to explain what we would gain from a recession, or by crappy trade deals made with weakened and desperate UK. The UK is no longer a super power our GDP is 2.7% of the world (and likely to decline when the pound sinks)

what utter lies you have spouted here.

We get less than half back through subsidies.
We don't control immigration, EU citizens are free to pass the border, they may be subject to an ID check, but they are still free to pass unless a wanted criminal. Therefore we don't control our borders.
How can we be Sovereign when the highest powers in the land are a cabal based in Brussels?
Why would we be alienating our neighbours? Trade can still happen and will happen. People buy stuff, not governments. The argument is over how much money both sides want to fleece the consumer for.
You will still be free to move, you'll just be subject to visas, like everywhere else on the planet. We are not jumping in to the unknown here. Everything we will be doing, the rest of the world already do.
What recession would we face? Supposed to have one when we voted to leave. All you are doing is scaremongering. Business does not like uncertainty, this limbo we have found ourselves in due to one side not honouring a democratic vote of the people multiple times has done far more damage than a simple quick break would have done.

The UK is a top 10 country in the world. We have a lot to offer the world and they have lots to offer us. The lack of faith you have in your fellow countrymen is disgusting Keith.

The UK is the problem here the least democratic voting system in Europe the most centralised and the most uncaring about it's poorer regions. The EU parliament is something that the crappy farce in Westminster would be wise to emulate. Trade will happen but with much more bureaucracy and barriers. Not to mention restrictions that will be imposed on Finance, services and the loss of just in time supply lines. Trade is not just goods and not just tariffs. I do actually have faith in UK citizens, which is why I support a mandatory referendum with clear options, a clearly defined deal, no deal and remain as the options by alternative vote so no votes are wasted. Unlike the advisory unicorn one. If you have faith in the UK citizens you should support this too, otherwise how can you support no deal when no one argued for it in 2016 or even 2017?

I take it you have never done a deal before? If you had, you would realise that no deal is the default position should either side not find an offer acceptable. You really are clutching at straws. You are morally wrong.

In the case of most deals no deal means you return to the status quo. In this case both sides lose with no deal. The UK screws up 50% of it's trade the EU screws up 10%. It is a weak negotiating position.

Ask the German car manufacturers just how important the British market is to them... Germany that's on the edge of a recession.

We aren't making a deal whether we can leave or not, we are making a deal in regards to how much money we are gonna try and steal from each others citizens. Triggering article 50, which the MP's did in an overwhelming majority, means the status quo is if we can't agree on how much to fleece each other we leave on WTO rules.

You seem to think UK is the weaker side in this. We have the rest of the world wanting our money as well as the EU. Therefore they need to do us a deal, not the other way around. You've never been involved in business deals have you?

The German car industry forcing Merkel to agree with whatever unrealistic deal the UK wants is a crock of shit. They recognise the importance of the integrity of the single market. The UK is worth 2.7% of global GDP. 50% of our trade goes to the EU/affiliates and an extra 20 odd % is dependent on FTA deal we only have because we are in the EU. On the other hand the UK is worth 10% of EU exports. We do you think has the bigger clout? When it comes to trade there are 3 elephants in the room EU USE and China. The UK is the biggest mouse. I can't see a good business swapping a good deal for a crap one and the deal we have now (Germany plus) is far better than anything else on the table. I thought the reason people wanted brexit were purely emotional NOT economic. (unless you are a millionaire like Rees Mogg and his pals.

Like I said go tell the German car manufacturers that the UK is unimportant to them...

The German car industry has said that the single market is more important, brexit has already caused their cars to be 20% more expensive in the UK as the pound has dropped a hard brexit will make them go up even more (unless the UK drops all tariffs (which will make trade deals impossible) It will depend what type of cars they sell cheap lower market car sales will plummet, but i think that sales of high end luxury cars will not be affected. I don;t know what the mix is from German exports

Remain, because I have at least a basic understanding of reality, and I wouldn't trust the Tories to open a door without slamming it on the country's head

Brave

Leave

Leave.

Free Scotland!

leave

"to be, or not to be, that s the question" What would William Shakespeare have done.........

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I was too young to vote.

was remain three years ago. im remain now

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I see that the world and it’s economies are becoming increasingly global and intertwined. This is simply an inevitable result of technological advancement. That intertwining is creating networks of culture and commerce that are the foundation both of geopolitics around the world and of peace keeping in the continents. Any country that seeks to isolate itself based on mercantile fantasied is going to fall by the wayside as the world moves on without them. As such, I voted to keep Britain great - by remaining in Europe. Outside of the European project we will lose influence, status and commercial significance.

I’m sure Farage and his mates would like to see us keep businesses afloat by making us a tax haven, but that will be at the cost of the common man and our international standing. The breaking of electoral law by the leave side has completely undermined any mandate to leave and so there should be another referendum, to put the issue to bed.

and if that referendum was once again a vote to leave you would accept it? The Remainers are playing a very dangerous game and it's surprising that a man of your intelligence, Woldy, seem to be blind to it.

You seem to be painting the UK as a backwards nation, something we are not, we are one of the worlds most influential countries, one that is viewed with great esteem by those on the international scene. We are a permanent member of the UN security council, a member of the G7, one of the richest nations on the planet.

Yet, instead you wish to shackle us to the worlds largest protectionist racket, one in which countries such as Poland, Latvia, Romania, Lithuania have had their futures decimated by their intelligent and hardworking youth leaving them in their millions to work menial jobs in places such as the UK and Germany due to unrestricted access to labour markets. An organisation that will soon require all of its members to adopt the single currency, destroying the chance for nations to manipulate their own currencies, something that would have massively helped out Greece. Seeing as we are on to Greece, maybe we should talk about the massive youth unemployment in France, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece or how about Germany's narrow avoidance of a recession. Not to mention the 'dangerous lie' that is a EU army. Just listen to the rhetoric of those that lead it and honestly tell me that these people do not view themselves as Emperors. They have already mentioned projecting power in to Africa. The average man has no say, is that how you wish to be ruled?

It's a sinking ship Woldy. Its a ship that should never have been allowed to sail. Untold millions have died throughout the years attempting to keep the nations of Europe sovereign, yet you want to be apart of the generation that finally achieved long held dreams of men such as Napoleon, Hitler and Oswald Mosely?

It's not so much the rampant hatred of your fellow country men and the disbelief in ourselves as a nation that disappoint me the most. It's the fact that the time honoured tradition of British fair play seems to have gone out the window. Imagine the rage just for a minute if the shoe was on the other foot. If Remain had won and Leave had spent 3 years trying every trick in the book to get us out and then right at the death they pretty much took us out of the EU. You would be rightly fuming and questioning the actual decency of your fellow countryman. What Remain have done is killed the faith in one other that we once had. That, I can see leading to a very uncertain future and that saddens me. For one, why should I bother voting again and two, why should I then accept the result?

The confirmatory referendum should be mandatory like the one in 2011 and unlike the 2016 advisory one. The government should have put in legislation exactly what leave meant. I am sorry but the political descendants of Hitler and Moseley are the ones that oppose the EU. (unless you can point to where Hitler had the equivalent of article 50.) Churchill wanted a united Europe (He is actually one of my hero historical figures despite me being on the left). The EU only has competence in very limited areas. Like food and safety standards and in Customs regimes which we have benefited from. It also has very limited competency in workers right (which the UK decided to join in with after initially opting out). The UK still has the right to prevent EU citizens entering the UK (the Far right Dutch MP for example) and we have to right to deport anyone who is not self sufficient after 3 months. Don't forget that freedom of movement is reciprocal and is actually more restrictive than the UK/Ireland common travel area. Irish citizens even have the right to vote in all UK elections!

If a second vote was ran and campaigned for on both sides in a credible and legal way then yes it'd be easy to accept the result

Both sides broke the rules, Woldy. Leave overspent, while Remain colluded with a Foreign power, overspent and had expert after expert attempting to scare us in to voting the 'correct way'. Leave's dirty tricks pale in to nothing compared to the underhanded shenanigans of Remain. Yet you focus only on one side. Remain even had a nice £9.2m of taxpayer money attempting to scare us with the leaflet, which told us in no uncertain terms what we were voting for. Do we stay or do we leave. It's a pretty simple question. Staying means carrying on as yesterday, while leave meant we take our exit and operate like any other country on the planet. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knew that leaving meant if an acceptable deal couldn't be reached, then we leave with no deal. I'm not going to swap you my Watford shiney for your Ryan Giggs without you sweetening the deal by throwing in a Emile Heskey an Dennis Irwin into the equation. If you don't then the deal doesn't happen. We learnt this at school...

People like Keithunderpants here will ever accept a result regardless of how many times we have one.

As a Leave voter I was more than surprised when we won, as was every other Leaver I knew as well as Remainers. Everybody understood the ramifications, it was rammed down our throat time and time again by those on both sides of the aisle. We even had politicians stating that 'whatever the result, we will honour it', blatantly aiming it at Farage and the Leavers (much like Hillary later on in the year urging people to accept the USA election result), thinking they had it in the bag. I and my fellow Leavers were prepared to accept defeat, lick our wounds and call you all treasonous scum for a while. That's the british sense of fair play, we lost, we dust ourselves off and we go again. Faith in our votes is one of the most important aspects of the society we have built up. It's being destroyed currently and who knows which way it will ultimately go.

No Keith, Mosely is more on your side.

https://www.oswaldmosley.com/europe-a-nation/

'But the simple, decisive point which defines a nation, is that it has a government. That is why the dividing question of modern Europe is whether or not we desire a European government. It is the purpose of this book to answer, yes. And in the end all will find it necessary to make up their minds on which side of this question they stand.'

You need to understand the difference between a voluntary confederal arrangement with limited powers relating mostly to trade and standards to create a common market (the EU) which you can leave at any time, a colonialism Third Reich , British Empire and a Federation which you can't leave of your own choice (USA)

The British Empire gave it's colonies independence, we have good relations with the Empire even today, Hong Kongers are waving the Colonial flag. It also ended the slave trade in the civilised world, gave the world Common Law and gave the world the greatest country the planet has ever seen. The USA. British Empire as empires go, was a pretty damn good one.

Free to leave? Haven't we been attempting to leave for the past 3 years? How are the countries that have taken the Euro on going to leave? Countries as powerful as the UK find it hard to leave, you think a Latvia stands any chance of just saying 'cheerio'. You are naïve if you think the EU is anything other than the Fourth Reich.

We CAN leave if people had voted for May's shitty deal we would be out if parliament had voted for no deal we would be out. If parliament had voted for a Norway type deal we would be out. The reason we have not left the EU yet is purely a UK thing the EU cannot stop us leaving as it is part of it's rules. The UK can stop us leaving and that is the only thing that is stopping us!