Why was the treasury of 4000 gold removed from the state in reality? (Includes the actual logs)
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This is published only because no one else ever dared to publish the real story why the treasury of 4000 gold vanished. I as a congressman feel the duty of honesty and the truth towards the people of the Norwegian empire instead of just referring to a "secrect vote" The Norwegians most propably will demand me to step down as a congressman but at least the whole empire knows the truth now.
(In the vote were 15 in favor and 7 against)
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Keep Norway's Gold Safe [URGENT]
It has been brought to my attention that if the Norwegian treasury (gold) is in tremendous danger if SF is to come to power next month.
Changing the constitution to protect against theft of the gold is not an option ATM. Given the very slim amount of time that we have to legislate protection for the gold, I am going to propose that for the time being Norway's gold reserves are moved to a safe National Bank account, under the control of at the very least myself and Forconin, at least until it is determined that there is no threat to the treasury.
No gold will move in or out without the consent of Congress and Forconin and myself will be bound contractually to not appropriate the money in any other way. All funds will be reported by both parties everyday, to ensure no misuse has occurred. All funds will be returned to the Norwegian state at the time Congress deems fit.
Please use the next 24 hours to discuss, this needs to be voted before the election day to keep everything legal.
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Salve i have to ask from you that don't you trust on me ?...
Thanks for giving this trust of yours. And yeah this what you said realy makes now new difference though about norweigians.
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inunova, the situation at hand is very confusing. Given that there are several reports of SF conspiring against Norway the only option I have is to assume the worst. For god's sake, this is not an everyday situation, 150+ people and growing have thrown the entire country into a tailspin in mere days, and until the situation is clear I will work to protect the hard work of the men and women of this country at all costs.
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So you are realy supposing that i will make so horrible things to you people. Wich i have worked you now about 4 months or were it 5 months.
Sound so fucking stupid to ruin something what you have yourself builded too.
And if i will be choosed to be president, i'm not changing anything. And rumors about leaving NA is only possible if congress allow it. Even though president have the power to do allmost everything. Still it need accept from congress. Constitution is made and if that is broken someone will bring it up to admins. And that will change everything agen.
Realy think what you are writing about 2 days, it might help you to make right decission. And after that think about that it's me who is there up for election. And if this your way of thinking agenst friend, realy i need to consider that independence many times more. And all this talk allready made me think that independece sounds much better allready.
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What part of "this situation is very confusing" do you not understand, you yourself abandoned Congress just weeks ago. Now you lead a party that is openly calling for independence. You lead a party calling for independence, seperation from ATLANTIS, and separation from the Norwegian economy. What part of this should I jump at feeling comfortable about.
I would like to consider yourself as a friend inunova, I really, truly mean that. But nearly every indication ATM is leading me to draw another conclusion of your intentions. I hope to god I am wrong, but if you are so concerned about the hard work you have put into this country, why are you upset to see others trying to protect it?
This is a game full of liars, cheaters, and scumbags. I will remain vigilant, and protect my country, at the very least until I, myself, am satisfied that it is not in danger.
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Situation ain't confusing at all... Cozz there isn't any new citizens joining on president election run. And i realy asked that previous party leader to give party to me so there would not happen anything wich will make things going downhill.
And my statment were for Forconin that i will do my best and look wich is best intrest to us all not just for finnish people.
I think that other finnish people are just after independence. And as i have read there is many different arguments about this and lot's of rumors going on. Ok, i my self would be alarmed cozz of this. But not anymore.
And after looking some talking from irc, i saw that just many people wanted independence wich is that all land wich are belonging to finnish in irl should be under control of finnish people. And most of the people wanna talk own native language on news papers so that there would not come comments "please can you translate that". And i did see that first it were hard to norweigians to get used english allways when writing something, that part is better now though.
But realy, this few post what i have read did realy make me feel that you keep me now as a threat of eNorway.
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inunova, it´s not you as a person who are the treath against eNorway, it´s your party. You are growing so big that you mabye will have the mayoriti in congress. A lot of new players comming with cases to vote for, and they have no clue what this will do to the country. You are only one experience person among 150-200 unexperience players.
So it´s very importen to secure the Gold until we see you and your party has the best for the country in mind
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kir wrote:
inunova, it´s not you as a person who are the treath against eNorway, it´s your party. You are growing so big that you mabye will have the mayoriti in congress. A lot of new players comming with cases to vote for, and they have no clue what this will do to the country. You are only one experience person among 150-200 unexperience players.
So it´s very importen to secure the Gold until we see you and your party has the best for the country in mind
This act just add more confusion on agents others. It's just same what former eFinland president did, covards act to protect goverment treasure, and i think that account has deleted too allready... There we loosed 500 gold.
But i say that is wrong if this happens, cozz if you can't trust others you will not get trust later on. If you realy want to make big empire as we planned some time a go, then give a trust others too. I understand that first proposition wich were about that alliance thing but this is going too far. And ofc can citizens trust gorverment funds to someone to hold.
What if we should announce this on public.
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Sovereign Finland has done nothing to earn our trust. In fact, they have done the exact opposite.
I personally feel I cannot trust your party, and I think you can understand why.
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Can you give us an update on what happening on this front Forconin, I hate to read about such issues in the finnish media before seeing anything about it in here.
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4000 Gold was removed yesterday to prevent any bad happenings in the future. (Even though i trust InuNova Completely!)
It will be transferred to a SO, where it will stay untouched until the time is to put it back, or when the state treasury needs it if that happens.
Sorry for not putting up a vote first, doing it now. (Had to be done yesterday in case the admins put any restrictions on exchanging again.)
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Who will have access to the SO account?
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Yes, if this is done, there must be multiple users to assure funds are not being misappropriated. Also guidelines for how this money will be appropriated when it is needed.
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Yup.
Who will you suggest as a co-sitter (1! only, the more people the more risk.)
I would say that gold will be added when it's needed (no gold in treasury, gold actually being spent on things like export licenses and so on. Really unlikely to happen as the state usually gets a + in Gold.)
Or in case of war.
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I believe that Salve is a good candidate to be the co-sitter. He has proven to be a trustworthy and wise man.
On the other hand, kir made an interesting comment to Anders's article after he had approved of this...
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I agree on Salve
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This is not the right way to doing things Forconin. You can´t act on your own, why did you not speak with Salve or someone else, so we did´nt get this mess.
BTW Salve ofcours, I.m not sure about Forconin
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I did speak with Salve about this a few days ago. Unfortunately he wasn't online when this was done :/
Unfortunately i had to do this quickly to ensure it was possible. (The admins has had restrictions on exchanging money on election-day before.)
Again, i am sorry for the way things were done.
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Hmm, I never actualy belived you had stolen the Gold, but are not agreed in the way you behaved here. It´s the order you know. But I can understand you also.
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Yep, ofcourse i understand kir, as i have said i'm deeply sorry for the way things went down.
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Hm, i do however suggest InuNova as co-sitter of the account. (let's just make a contract where it states that no gold can be transferred from it without the agreement of BOTH sitters)
What do you think?
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That sounds good. We can trust InuNova, and that would make the finns shut up as well.
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Yup.
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hmmm, 2000 gold would however be close to enought to break free from the empire.
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If InuNova is one then the other must be Salve, or it must be 3 person
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3 could work too. I think that including InuNova would be a good idea to show that we actually have trust in the finns.
235 gold left Sjefen.
4000 Gold would easilly have won a freedom fight against us. It's insanely much money for a war. This is also some of the reason for why we had to remove it.
I doubt it would ever happen, but we couldn't let 500 finns that REALLY wants to break free get 4000+ gold from us, worst case scenario all the gold would have been used warring against us for their freedom, we would end up with a norway with a wrecked economy, no gold and a really tired military.
this is ofcourse worst case scenario, but as a good president i have to take even the tiniest possibility into account when it comes to our national security.
That being said i know that most of the "veteran" finns who actually have been living in eNorway for a while understands why it had to be done, and they trust that it won't be used. Hopefully the rest will come along soon.
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As a sidenote: This is not to rob the finnish of gold or anything. This is to keep it SAFE until things settle down and we figure out things TOGHETHER
I do suggest that Me, Salve and InuNova get access to the SO, (All 3 of us.)
We will then make a contract which states that the gold cannot be touched without the consent of all 3 of us.
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So instead of giving them 4000 gold that would be protected by the constitution, we are giving them 2000 directly so that it's bypassed by the constitution? great....
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Who have given them 2000 Gold?
And keep in mind that the constitution wouldn't help for one bit if they get more than 50% of the congress, in a vote could be put up wheter or not to give the finnish soldiers all the gold to win a freedom fight.
The SO: http://www.erepublik.com/profile-1028362.html
Can anyone give me a answer on Salve and Inunova as co-sitters?
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soon they will need 66% of the congress....
ain't you going to give inunova 2000 gold?
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No. No plans on doing that.
What's suggested is a SO: http://www.erepublik.com/profile-1028362.html
This is where all the gold is btw, (Check the donation log for confirmation.)
Salve and InuNova will be given access to this SO, AFTER signing a contract.
Suggestion for contract:
Contract for eNorwegian Treasury:
Salve, InuNova and Forconin will have access to this SO. NO Gold is to be removed from this account without the written approval of all 3 "sitters". The approval will have to be signed by each one for each specific transfer, the approval-text will have to specify exactly how much gold is being transferred, and it will have to be signed by all 3 "sitters" to be valid.
If gold is removed from the SO without the approval of all 3 sitters the gold will have to be sent back by the admins, while the one breaking the rules would loose all access to the SO for all future. A fine of 50 gold would also be issued.
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I don't approve that contract...
Any of the 3 sitters could boikott the treasury and thus destroy our economy.
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Hm, I don´t understand why Forconin must be one of the trusted one. I dont think Forconin has trust at all at the moment.
But actualy it is the congress who should point out the persons
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2/3 votes then maybe Sjefen? Would still prevent any gold from being used in a civil war
kir: Have i used any of the gold? No. I just did what was suggested in here, and i had to be 100% sure we actually could do it before election to ensure that the gold was safe
4 months as president without taking any gold should be reason enough to trust me.
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Yeah, exept from the few hundred gold you took from Greece... ouch.
hmmm, 2/3 would maybe be sufficient.
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2/3 votes then maybe Sjefen? Would still prevent any gold from being used in a civil war
kir: Have i used any of the gold? No. I just did what was suggested in here, and i had to be 100% sure we actually could do it before election to ensure that the gold was safe
4 months as president without taking any gold should be reason enough to trust me.
Pretty aparant, because this is the only month where you are sure to lose. You have nothing to do with that gold. Way to piss on the concept of democracy. Now the next government will have to tax us hilariously high because of your idiotic actions.
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Ehm, when Mendel took over wasn't i sure to loose? Or when Sjefen was president?
Do also keep in mind that this was Salve's original idea, not just something i came up with on my own.
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Ehm, when Mendel took over wasn't i sure to loose? Or when Sjefen was president?
Do also keep in mind that this was Salve's original idea, not just something i came up with on my own.
No, Binary Party was still superior in members. Salves original idea does not mirror your actions. Your way of handling this was not part of the original proposition.
I don't even care who proposed it. I draw my conclusions based on my own believes, and I think you once again send a sting to the empire that is eNorway. How can we be united when you decide who's to spend our gold. You won't necesarily be our president tomorrow.
The new rising parties are using the same tactics as you. They recruit people from a forum and win by that. Whether or not they speak Finnish, Russian or Norwegian could care me less. If they feel like proposing a independent Finland to the congress then go ahead and propose that and we'll vote. Nothing will happen without the approval of the congress.
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Salve's original idea is exactly what we are doing
SO, contract, multiple persons watching the SO.
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Forconin wrote:
Salve's original idea is exactly what we are doing
SO, contract, multiple persons watching the SO.
Multiple persons? Read the proposition again and tell me who the other person is. It also speaks of a contract which I'd like you to show me to.
Show me that these two have been followed through with.
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Hm, i do however suggest InuNova as co-sitter of the account. (let's just make a contract where it states that no gold can be transferred from it without the agreement of BOTH sitters)
What do you think?
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That sounds good. We can trust InuNova, and that would make the finns shut up as well.
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hmmm, 2000 gold would however be close to enought to break free from the empire.
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If InuNova is one then the other must be Salve, or it must be 3 person
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3 could work too. I think that including InuNova would be a good idea to show that we actually have trust in the finns.
235 gold left Sjefen.
4000 Gold would easilly have won a freedom fight against us. It's insanely much money for a war. This is also some of the reason for why we had to remove it.
I doubt it would ever happen, but we couldn't let 500 finns that REALLY wants to break free get 4000+ gold from us, worst case scenario all the gold would have been used warring against us for their freedom, we would end up with a norway with a wrecked economy, no gold and a really tired military.
this is ofcourse worst case scenario, but as a good president i have to take even the tiniest possibility into account when it comes to our national security.
That being said i know that most of the "veteran" finns who actually have been living in eNorway for a while understands why it had to be done, and they trust that it won't be used. Hopefully the rest will come along soon.
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As a sidenote: This is not to rob the finnish of gold or anything. This is to keep it SAFE until things settle down and we figure out things TOGHETHER
I do suggest that Me, Salve and InuNova get access to the SO, (All 3 of us.)
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So instead of giving them 4000 gold that would be protected by the constitution, we are giving them 2000 directly so that it's bypassed by the constitution? great....
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Who have given them 2000 Gold?
And keep in mind that the constitution wouldn't help for one bit if they get more than 50% of the congress, in a vote could be put up wheter or not to give the finnish soldiers all the gold to win a freedom fight.
The SO: http://www.erepublik.com/profile-1028362.html
Can anyone give me a answer on Salve and Inunova as co-sitters?
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soon they will need 66% of the congress....
ain't you going to give inunova 2000 gold?
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No. No plans on doing that.
What's suggested is a SO: http://www.erepublik.com/profile-1028362.html
This is where all the gold is btw, (Check the donation log for confirmation.)
Salve and InuNova will be given access to this SO, AFTER signing a contract.
Suggestion for contract:
Contract for eNorwegian Treasury:
Salve, InuNova and Forconin will have access to this SO. NO Gold is to be removed from this account without the written approval of all 3 "sitters". The approval will have to be signed by each one for each specific transfer, the approval-text will have to specify exactly how much gold is being transferred, and it will have to be signed by all 3 "sitters" to be valid.
If gold is removed from the SO without the approval of all 3 sitters the gold will have to be sent back by the admins, while the one breaking the rules would loose all access to the SO for all future. A fine of 50 gold would also be issued.
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I don't approve that contract...
Any of the 3 sitters could boikott the treasury and thus destroy our economy.
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Hm, I don´t understand why Forconin must be one of the trusted one. I dont think Forconin has trust at all at the moment.
But actualy it is the congress who should point out the persons
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2/3 votes then maybe Sjefen? Would still prevent any gold from being used in a civil war
kir: Have i used any of the gold? No. I just did what was suggested in here, and i had to be 100% sure we actually could do it before election to ensure that the gold was safe
4 months as president without taking any gold should be reason enough to trust me.
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Yeah, exept from the few hundred gold you took from Greece... ouch.
hmmm, 2/3 would maybe be sufficient.
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2/3 votes then maybe Sjefen? Would still prevent any gold from being used in a civil war
kir: Have i used any of the gold? No. I just did what was suggested in here, and i had to be 100% sure we actually could do it before election to ensure that the gold was safe
4 months as president without taking any gold should be reason enough to trust me.
Pretty aparant, because this is the only month where you are sure to lose. You have nothing to do with that gold. Way to piss on the concept of democracy. Now the next government will have to tax us hilariously high because of your idiotic actions.
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Ehm, when Mendel took over wasn't i sure to loose? Or when Sjefen was president?
Do also keep in mind that this was Salve's original idea, not just something i came up with on my own.
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Ehm, when Mendel took over wasn't i sure to loose? Or when Sjefen was president?
Do also keep in mind that this was Salve's original idea, not just something i came up with on my own.
No, Binary Party was still superior in members. Salves original idea does not mirror your actions. Your way of handling this was not part of the original proposition.
I don't even care who proposed it. I draw my conclusions based on my own believes, and I think you once again send a sting to the empire that is eNorway. How can we be united when you decide who's to spend our gold. You won't necesarily be our president tomorrow.
The new rising parties are using the same tactics as you. They recruit people from a forum and win by that. Whether or not they speak Finnish, Russian or Norwegian could care me less. If they feel like proposing a independent Finland to the congress then go ahead and propose that and we'll vote. Nothing will happen without the approval of the congress.
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Salve's original idea is exactly what we are doing
SO, contract, multiple persons watching the SO.
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Salve's original idea is exactly what we are doing
SO, contract, multiple persons watching the SO.
Multiple persons? Read the proposition again and tell me who the other person is. It also speaks of a contract which I'd like you to show me to.
Show me that these two have been followed through with.
(In the vote were 15 in favor and 7 against)
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Keep Norway's Gold Safe [URGENT]
It has been brought to my attention that if the Norwegian treasury (gold) is in tremendous danger if SF is to come to power next month.
Changing the constitution to protect against theft of the gold is not an option ATM. Given the very slim amount of time that we have to legislate protection for the gold, I am going to propose that for the time being Norway's gold reserves are moved to a safe National Bank account, under the control of at the very least myself and Forconin, at least until it is determined that there is no threat to the treasury.
No gold will move in or out without the consent of Congress and Forconin and myself will be bound contractually to not appropriate the money in any other way. All funds will be reported by both parties everyday, to ensure no misuse has occurred. All funds will be returned to the Norwegian state at the time Congress deems fit.
Please use the next 24 hours to discuss, this needs to be voted before the election day to keep everything legal.
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Salve i have to ask from you that don't you trust on me ?...
Thanks for giving this trust of yours. And yeah this what you said realy makes now new difference though about norweigians.
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inunova, the situation at hand is very confusing. Given that there are several reports of SF conspiring against Norway the only option I have is to assume the worst. For god's sake, this is not an everyday situation, 150+ people and growing have thrown the entire country into a tailspin in mere days, and until the situation is clear I will work to protect the hard work of the men and women of this country at all costs.
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So you are realy supposing that i will make so horrible things to you people. Wich i have worked you now about 4 months or were it 5 months.
Sound so fucking stupid to ruin something what you have yourself builded too.
And if i will be choosed to be president, i'm not changing anything. And rumors about leaving NA is only possible if congress allow it. Even though president have the power to do allmost everything. Still it need accept from congress. Constitution is made and if that is broken someone will bring it up to admins. And that will change everything agen.
Realy think what you are writing about 2 days, it might help you to make right decission. And after that think about that it's me who is there up for election. And if this your way of thinking agenst friend, realy i need to consider that independence many times more. And all this talk allready made me think that independece sounds much better allready.
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What part of "this situation is very confusing" do you not understand, you yourself abandoned Congress just weeks ago. Now you lead a party that is openly calling for independence. You lead a party calling for independence, seperation from ATLANTIS, and separation from the Norwegian economy. What part of this should I jump at feeling comfortable about.
I would like to consider yourself as a friend inunova, I really, truly mean that. But nearly every indication ATM is leading me to draw another conclusion of your intentions. I hope to god I am wrong, but if you are so concerned about the hard work you have put into this country, why are you upset to see others trying to protect it?
This is a game full of liars, cheaters, and scumbags. I will remain vigilant, and protect my country, at the very least until I, myself, am satisfied that it is not in danger.
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Situation ain't confusing at all... Cozz there isn't any new citizens joining on president election run. And i realy asked that previous party leader to give party to me so there would not happen anything wich will make things going downhill.
And my statment were for Forconin that i will do my best and look wich is best intrest to us all not just for finnish people.
I think that other finnish people are just after independence. And as i have read there is many different arguments about this and lot's of rumors going on. Ok, i my self would be alarmed cozz of this. But not anymore.
And after looking some talking from irc, i saw that just many people wanted independence wich is that all land wich are belonging to finnish in irl should be under control of finnish people. And most of the people wanna talk own native language on news papers so that there would not come comments "please can you translate that". And i did see that first it were hard to norweigians to get used english allways when writing something, that part is better now though.
But realy, this few post what i have read did realy make me feel that you keep me now as a threat of eNorway.
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inunova, it´s not you as a person who are the treath against eNorway, it´s your party. You are growing so big that you mabye will have the mayoriti in congress. A lot of new players comming with cases to vote for, and they have no clue what this will do to the country. You are only one experience person among 150-200 unexperience players.
So it´s very importen to secure the Gold until we see you and your party has the best for the country in mind
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inunova, it´s not you as a person who are the treath against eNorway, it´s your party. You are growing so big that you mabye will have the mayoriti in congress. A lot of new players comming with cases to vote for, and they have no clue what this will do to the country. You are only one experience person among 150-200 unexperience players.
So it´s very importen to secure the Gold until we see you and your party has the best for the country in mind
This act just add more confusion on agents others. It's just same what former eFinland president did, covards act to protect goverment treasure, and i think that account has deleted too allready... There we loosed 500 gold.
But i say that is wrong if this happens, cozz if you can't trust others you will not get trust later on. If you realy want to make big empire as we planned some time a go, then give a trust others too. I understand that first proposition wich were about that alliance thing but this is going too far. And ofc can citizens trust gorverment funds to someone to hold.
What if we should announce this on public.
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Sovereign Finland has done nothing to earn our trust. In fact, they have done the exact opposite.
I personally feel I cannot trust your party, and I think you can understand why.
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Can you give us an update on what happening on this front Forconin, I hate to read about such issues in the finnish media before seeing anything about it in here.
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4000 Gold was removed yesterday to prevent any bad happenings in the future. (Even though i trust InuNova Completely!)
It will be transferred to a SO, where it will stay untouched until the time is to put it back, or when the state treasury needs it if that happens.
Sorry for not putting up a vote first, doing it now. (Had to be done yesterday in case the admins put any restrictions on exchanging again.)
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Who will have access to the SO account?
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Yes, if this is done, there must be multiple users to assure funds are not being misappropriated. Also guidelines for how this money will be appropriated when it is needed.
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Yup.
Who will you suggest as a co-sitter (1! only, the more people the more risk.)
I would say that gold will be added when it's needed (no gold in treasury, gold actually being spent on things like export licenses and so on. Really unlikely to happen as the state usually gets a + in Gold.)
Or in case of war.
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I believe that Salve is a good candidate to be the co-sitter. He has proven to be a trustworthy and wise man.
On the other hand, kir made an interesting comment to Anders's article after he had approved of this...
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I agree on Salve
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This is not the right way to doing things Forconin. You can´t act on your own, why did you not speak with Salve or someone else, so we did´nt get this mess.
BTW Salve ofcours, I.m not sure about Forconin
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I did speak with Salve about this a few days ago. Unfortunately he wasn't online when this was done :/
Unfortunately i had to do this quickly to ensure it was possible. (The admins has had restrictions on exchanging money on election-day before.)
Again, i am sorry for the way things were done.
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Hmm, I never actualy belived you had stolen the Gold, but are not agreed in the way you behaved here. It´s the order you know. But I can understand you also.
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Yep, ofcourse i understand kir, as i have said i'm deeply sorry for the way things went down.
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Hm, i do however suggest InuNova as co-sitter of the account. (let's just make a contract where it states that no gold can be transferred from it without the agreement of BOTH sitters)
What do you think?
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That sounds good. We can trust InuNova, and that would make the finns shut up as well.
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hmmm, 2000 gold would however be close to enought to break free from the empire.
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If InuNova is one then the other must be Salve, or it must be 3 person
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3 could work too. I think that including InuNova would be a good idea to show that we actually have trust in the finns.
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235 gold left Sjefen.
4000 Gold would easilly have won a freedom fight against us. It's insanely much money for a war. This is also some of the reason for why we had to remove it.
I doubt it would ever happen, but we couldn't let 500 finns that REALLY wants to break free get 4000+ gold from us, worst case scenario all the gold would have been used warring against us for their freedom, we would end up with a norway with a wrecked economy, no gold and a really tired military.
this is ofcourse worst case scenario, but as a good president i have to take even the tiniest possibility into account when it comes to our national security.
That being said i know that most of the "veteran" finns who actually have been living in eNorway for a while understands why it had to be done, and they trust that it won't be used. Hopefully the rest will come along soon.
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As a sidenote: This is not to rob the finnish of gold or anything. This is to keep it SAFE until things settle down and we figure out things TOGHETHER
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I do suggest that Me, Salve and InuNova get access to the SO, (All 3 of us.)
We will then make a contract which states that the gold cannot be touched without the consent of all 3 of us.
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So instead of giving them 4000 gold that would be protected by the constitution, we are giving them 2000 directly so that it's bypassed by the constitution? great....
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Who have given them 2000 Gold?
And keep in mind that the constitution wouldn't help for one bit if they get more than 50% of the congress, in a vote could be put up wheter or not to give the finnish soldiers all the gold to win a freedom fight.
The SO: http://www.erepublik.com/profile-1028362.html
Can anyone give me a answer on Salve and Inunova as co-sitters?
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soon they will need 66% of the congress....
ain't you going to give inunova 2000 gold?
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No. No plans on doing that.
What's suggested is a SO: http://www.erepublik.com/profile-1028362.html
This is where all the gold is btw, (Check the donation log for confirmation.)
Salve and InuNova will be given access to this SO, AFTER signing a contract.
Suggestion for contract:
Contract for eNorwegian Treasury:
Salve, InuNova and Forconin will have access to this SO. NO Gold is to be removed from this account without the written approval of all 3 "sitters". The approval will have to be signed by each one for each specific transfer, the approval-text will have to specify exactly how much gold is being transferred, and it will have to be signed by all 3 "sitters" to be valid.
If gold is removed from the SO without the approval of all 3 sitters the gold will have to be sent back by the admins, while the one breaking the rules would loose all access to the SO for all future. A fine of 50 gold would also be issued.
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I don't approve that contract...
Any of the 3 sitters could boikott the treasury and thus destroy our economy.
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Hm, I don´t understand why Forconin must be one of the trusted one. I dont think Forconin has trust at all at the moment.
But actualy it is the congress who should point out the persons
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2/3 votes then maybe Sjefen? Would still prevent any gold from being used in a civil war
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kir: Have i used any of the gold? No. I just did what was suggested in here, and i had to be 100% sure we actually could do it before election to ensure that the gold was safe
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4 months as president without taking any gold should be reason enough to trust me.
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Yeah, exept from the few hundred gold you took from Greece... ouch.
hmmm, 2/3 would maybe be sufficient.
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2/3 votes then maybe Sjefen? Would still prevent any gold from being used in a civil war
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kir: Have i used any of the gold? No. I just did what was suggested in here, and i had to be 100% sure we actually could do it before election to ensure that the gold was safe
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4 months as president without taking any gold should be reason enough to trust me.
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Pretty aparant, because this is the only month where you are sure to lose. You have nothing to do with that gold. Way to piss on the concept of democracy. Now the next government will have to tax us hilariously high because of your idiotic actions.
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Ehm, when Mendel took over wasn't i sure to loose? Or when Sjefen was president?
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Do also keep in mind that this was Salve's original idea, not just something i came up with on my own.
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Ehm, when Mendel took over wasn't i sure to loose? Or when Sjefen was president?
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Do also keep in mind that this was Salve's original idea, not just something i came up with on my own.
No, Binary Party was still superior in members. Salves original idea does not mirror your actions. Your way of handling this was not part of the original proposition.
I don't even care who proposed it. I draw my conclusions based on my own believes, and I think you once again send a sting to the empire that is eNorway. How can we be united when you decide who's to spend our gold. You won't necesarily be our president tomorrow.
The new rising parties are using the same tactics as you. They recruit people from a forum and win by that. Whether or not they speak Finnish, Russian or Norwegian could care me less. If they feel like proposing a independent Finland to the congress then go ahead and propose that and we'll vote. Nothing will happen without the approval of the congress.
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Salve's original idea is exactly what we are doing
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Salve's original idea is exactly what we are doing
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Multiple persons? Read the proposition again and tell me who the other person is. It also speaks of a contract which I'd like you to show me to.
Show me that these two have been followed through with.
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Hm, i do however suggest InuNova as co-sitter of the account. (let's just make a contract where it states that no gold can be transferred from it without the agreement of BOTH sitters)
What do you think?
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That sounds good. We can trust InuNova, and that would make the finns shut up as well.
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Yup.
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hmmm, 2000 gold would however be close to enought to break free from the empire.
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If InuNova is one then the other must be Salve, or it must be 3 person
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3 could work too. I think that including InuNova would be a good idea to show that we actually have trust in the finns.
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235 gold left Sjefen.
4000 Gold would easilly have won a freedom fight against us. It's insanely much money for a war. This is also some of the reason for why we had to remove it.
I doubt it would ever happen, but we couldn't let 500 finns that REALLY wants to break free get 4000+ gold from us, worst case scenario all the gold would have been used warring against us for their freedom, we would end up with a norway with a wrecked economy, no gold and a really tired military.
this is ofcourse worst case scenario, but as a good president i have to take even the tiniest possibility into account when it comes to our national security.
That being said i know that most of the "veteran" finns who actually have been living in eNorway for a while understands why it had to be done, and they trust that it won't be used. Hopefully the rest will come along soon.
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As a sidenote: This is not to rob the finnish of gold or anything. This is to keep it SAFE until things settle down and we figure out things TOGHETHER
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I do suggest that Me, Salve and InuNova get access to the SO, (All 3 of us.)
We will then make a contract which states that the gold cannot be touched without the consent of all 3 of us.
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So instead of giving them 4000 gold that would be protected by the constitution, we are giving them 2000 directly so that it's bypassed by the constitution? great....
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Who have given them 2000 Gold?
And keep in mind that the constitution wouldn't help for one bit if they get more than 50% of the congress, in a vote could be put up wheter or not to give the finnish soldiers all the gold to win a freedom fight.
The SO: http://www.erepublik.com/profile-1028362.html
Can anyone give me a answer on Salve and Inunova as co-sitters?
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soon they will need 66% of the congress....
ain't you going to give inunova 2000 gold?
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No. No plans on doing that.
What's suggested is a SO: http://www.erepublik.com/profile-1028362.html
This is where all the gold is btw, (Check the donation log for confirmation.)
Salve and InuNova will be given access to this SO, AFTER signing a contract.
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Contract for eNorwegian Treasury:
Salve, InuNova and Forconin will have access to this SO. NO Gold is to be removed from this account without the written approval of all 3 "sitters". The approval will have to be signed by each one for each specific transfer, the approval-text will have to specify exactly how much gold is being transferred, and it will have to be signed by all 3 "sitters" to be valid.
If gold is removed from the SO without the approval of all 3 sitters the gold will have to be sent back by the admins, while the one breaking the rules would loose all access to the SO for all future. A fine of 50 gold would also be issued.
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I don't approve that contract...
Any of the 3 sitters could boikott the treasury and thus destroy our economy.
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Hm, I don´t understand why Forconin must be one of the trusted one. I dont think Forconin has trust at all at the moment.
But actualy it is the congress who should point out the persons
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2/3 votes then maybe Sjefen? Would still prevent any gold from being used in a civil war
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kir: Have i used any of the gold? No. I just did what was suggested in here, and i had to be 100% sure we actually could do it before election to ensure that the gold was safe
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4 months as president without taking any gold should be reason enough to trust me.
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Yeah, exept from the few hundred gold you took from Greece... ouch.
hmmm, 2/3 would maybe be sufficient.
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2/3 votes then maybe Sjefen? Would still prevent any gold from being used in a civil war
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kir: Have i used any of the gold? No. I just did what was suggested in here, and i had to be 100% sure we actually could do it before election to ensure that the gold was safe
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4 months as president without taking any gold should be reason enough to trust me.
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Pretty aparant, because this is the only month where you are sure to lose. You have nothing to do with that gold. Way to piss on the concept of democracy. Now the next government will have to tax us hilariously high because of your idiotic actions.
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Ehm, when Mendel took over wasn't i sure to loose? Or when Sjefen was president?
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Do also keep in mind that this was Salve's original idea, not just something i came up with on my own.
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Ehm, when Mendel took over wasn't i sure to loose? Or when Sjefen was president?
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Do also keep in mind that this was Salve's original idea, not just something i came up with on my own.
No, Binary Party was still superior in members. Salves original idea does not mirror your actions. Your way of handling this was not part of the original proposition.
I don't even care who proposed it. I draw my conclusions based on my own believes, and I think you once again send a sting to the empire that is eNorway. How can we be united when you decide who's to spend our gold. You won't necesarily be our president tomorrow.
The new rising parties are using the same tactics as you. They recruit people from a forum and win by that. Whether or not they speak Finnish, Russian or Norwegian could care me less. If they feel like proposing a independent Finland to the congress then go ahead and propose that and we'll vote. Nothing will happen without the approval of the congress.
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Salve's original idea is exactly what we are doing
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Multiple persons? Read the proposition again and tell me who the other person is. It also speaks of a contract which I'd like you to show me to.
Show me that these two have been followed through with.
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If current congress desides that gold must return then it must return. those golds are everyones gold who live in eNorway. We really wanted to co-operate with peace and diblomacy, but latelly actions have shown the true nature of those who hold on the power. Besides where could eNorway people read this desicison? Nowhere? everything is secret in the name of fear and confusion. \" its time to kick ass and Chew bubblegum, and im all out of gum \" - Duke Nukem
\"3 could work too. I think that including InuNova would be a good idea to show that we actually have trust in the finns. 🙂\" Hahah, nice 😃
Sure, we trust you but only when one of the two norwegians agrees with you.
The gold should be considered lost for good. At the moment, the Norwegians can use it for blackmailing the current SF administration, paralyzing the democratic process. The independent Finland of the near future is unlikely to retrieve a single of piece of that treasure in any case.
My god... It was worse than I thought.
I think that 6th December will be independence day in eFinland too.
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What\'s with this Forconin dude? Is he supposed to have any power these days? I mean...he\'s not the president anymore.
December 6th!
Very nice to see that the individual, considers the people to be scumbags, liars and cheats, and that he needs to be vigilant always. Nice way to go about fostering an environment of mutual trust, peace and tranquility.
Incorporating a Finnish sitter to prove trust is a ridiculous argument since the gold was removed precisely because the Norwegians distrust the Finns! \"Given that there are several reports of SF conspiring against Norway the only option I have is to assume the worst.\" What exactly did Norway think the Finns would do after being conquered? Now they feel they can dismantle their so-called democracy to protect Norwegian interests.
The gold was removed before Congress even knew about the idea! With the petty excuse of admins preventing gold transfers on election day. One wonders why the admins do such a thing? Perhaps to prevent disgruntled election losers from doing something unfortunate...
Even if we excuse the gross insult to democracy and national relations, it seems Forconin only realised the Finns were on the way up one day before the election and so was forced to carry this out before Congress approved it. This shows that his party is not capable of managing a society as complex as ours.
At the very least, this whole exercise was a complete public relations disaster, which I\'m sure even Forconin must have seen coming. I hope Norway can deal with an independent Finland with a bit more tact.
Nice article but please try to EDIT next time. It was a pain in the a** to read.
Death to Forconin.
Well, at least he didn\'t leave anything out. Very good, Maniakki. Brave move you did here, possibly with the expense of your own seat in the congress. They wont ask you that if they are smart, though.
Now everyone knows what happened and there is no more need to speculate. The question now is: what will the government do in order to punish the criminal?
The norwegians were betrayed by their own leaders. Punish the criminals!
Looks like that we have a thief in this country....
INTERESTING FACTS!!!:
4000 gold = 80\'000NOK
4000gold is worth of 2000€ (If calculated by the \"buy gold\" price(20gold costs 10€))
I would really love to hear what the government thinks of this. Especially InuNova. Is he still in league with Forconin or does he want freedom like the rest of us? I got mixed messages from the dialogue above. Suspicious deals made behind the public... talks of great empire... guarantees of servitude and friendship... not changing anything if he gets elected... Lies to throw the enemy off guard, or is he stating what he truly feels?
The Berlusconi of Norway, Forconin, is still the foreign minister. What\'s up with that? We actually allow that person to be in charge of our foreign relations, when we really should be establishing ties with other nations as Finland? Berlusconin must be removed from the government and judged in a tribunal!!
This was a matter of national security, not to be put out for anyone else than the members of congress to view. I believe that you should remove this article asap, otherwise it would bring unwanted consequences.
It\'s really hard to trust someone who\'s been talking on IRC about quitting ATLANTIS and using all the gold on freedom fights...
May i ask, why didn\'t you fins trust _us_?
The elected leaders are responsible to the people. I will not remove anything that they should know. This should have been public in the first place since the Finns could have dont nothing even to prevent this because it was done before the elections.
SF may rule Norway, but Norwegians seem to rule SF.
So. Who has the access to this Norwegian gold SO account at the moment?
\"Well, at least he didn\'t leave anything out. Very good, Maniakki. Brave move you did here, possibly with the expense of your own seat in the congress.\"
I believe that he will gain much more influence by standing as brave comrade, not traitor for his own interests.
So the gold was transferred before there was a vote about it? And this guy\'s still a minister? Why? Hasn\'t he quite clearly proved he can\'t work within the limits of democracy? The reasons for the actions are irrelevant. Whether the actions were needed or not is irrelevant. The point is he acted WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE CONGRESS. If that\'s ok then I guess we don\'t need a congress or a constitution or laws.
\"Would you trust people that conquerd your country and raped your wife and children?\"
Well, you didn\'t even play when we took Finland, right...? That kinda makes you unquallified to say so....
\"So the gold was transferred before there was a vote about it? And this guy\'s still a minister? Why? \"
Well perhaps you should ask your own leaders then? It was YOUR party who made him minister.
I\'m not going to read all this (yet), but isn\'t this \"private\" threads from your \"private\" congres?? O_o
Wow... I really hope the congress or partyleader (whoever should) takes measures against this action. I would (not my buissiness though) consider it treason...
Sjefen: Why didn\'t we Finns trust you? You mean... why did we form our own party to gain independence and not joining yours, which is controlled by few oligarchs and their cult of personality, who only look out for their own interests, and who would never ever let Finland be free? The Swedes gave Poland their independence. How many times did the Norwegian government even consider giving us our freedom? I really wonder why some of the most rebellious persons *might* have suggested harsh measures to be taken in order to secure independence...
Your government caused this situation with their poor politics. You should have let Finland go free when we asked for it. But what do you do? You steal the treasury, come up with lies and deceitful propaganda while treating us like ignorant puppets, and now you say we should remain under your \"protection\"?
You yourself said that you condemn Forconin\'s actions. Now you are protecting him again. I don\'t even see any evidence of you being against the theft in the first place. You were just interested that the gold wont be used by the persons stealing it, and that we wont have enough money to cause a rebellion. You speak to us of trust?
The thing I find most distrurbing is that the Norwegians actually vote for persons like Forconin. If the good people of Norway want a peaceful resolution to this, they have to start voting for candidates that actually *want* to see it happen. Not corrupt, two-faced politicians that will do anything to stay in power, secure their own profit and strike deals behind the public\'s back.
\"Well perhaps you should ask your own leaders then? It was YOUR party who made him minister.\"
The question was rhetorical, as I think I know all the explanations Inunova is willing to give for his decision. None of which are going to be good enough.
\"You should have let Finland go free when we asked for it.\"
Why should we...?
Because we are majority! that is pretty good excuse why we should be sovereign. and i dont see nothing why you should keep eFinland under eNorways flag. ( maybe its just looks cool in wiki map when eNorway is so big ).
Well i am rich enought to hire my own army, so bring it on.
hehe... once a gain greedines and war are the only matter now. but where you hire that army?
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\"Because we are majority! that is pretty good excuse why we should be sovereign. and i dont see nothing why you should keep eFinland under eNorways flag. ( maybe its just looks cool in wiki map when eNorway is so big ).\"
Well let\'s change flags then, if that\'s your major concern.
\"hehe... once a gain greedines and war are the only matter now. but where you hire that army?\"
Mercinaries, i know a couple 😉
i hope you noticed sarcasm in my main point is that theres no any major exuse to eFinland to be under eNorway. Or could you any?
Mercinairies in my ass. \" Come get some \"
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@Tuukka_Almighty: Maybe... after the\'ve killed you. They are expensive though, but blah, i\'d say it\'s worth it.
\"i hope you noticed sarcasm in my main point is that theres no any major exuse to eFinland to be under eNorway. Or could you any?\"
We have the economy, military power, political experience and diplomatic relations. You have the numbers
Never realized that it was so bad...
Thanks a lot Maniakki for publishing this!
Bearing in mind the Erepublik laws number 4 (Every citizen that enriched through an illegal or unjust method must return the property this way obtained.) and 8 (Freedom of press is absolute.), it seems very clear that who should face some consequences and who shouldn\'t!!
Sjefen may not realise how well Norway has the situation at hand, with the only major separatist party being quite moderate and the president tame. Vague hints of military power, mercenaries and allies serve only to encourage the more extreme nationalist elements. Numbers dictate that the union will be dissolved sooner or later, the only question is whether the Norwegian economy and military will be wrecked in the process.
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While I have to respect your brave patriotic attitude, it would be nice if you could act a little more politely, stop the swearing and think twice before posting. Thanks!
\"Sjefen may not realise how well Norway has the situation at hand, with the only major separatist party being quite moderate and the president tame. Vague hints of military power, mercenaries and allies serve only to encourage the more extreme nationalist elements. Numbers dictate that the union will be dissolved sooner or later, the only question is whether the Norwegian economy and military will be wrecked in the process.
Sjefen may not realise how well Norway has the situation at hand, with the only major separatist party being quite moderate and the president tame. Vague hints of military power, mercenaries and allies serve only to encourage the more extreme nationalist elements. Numbers dictate that the union will be dissolved sooner or later, the only question is whether the Norwegian economy and military will be wrecked in the process.\"
Oh, i\'ve done way more then you think... Yes, you have more power then you realize, but it\'s still a tad limited. You would not manage to \"wreck \"eNorway in the prosess, but you could slightly damage the country.
frokki: when i write something i write with feelings. I have times when i just cant stop flood of words :I sorry for writing something what distrupted people.
Oh, i\'ve done way more then you think... Yes, you have more power then you realize, but it\'s still a tad limited. You would not manage to \"wreck \"eNorway in the prosess, but you could slightly damage the country.
Isint that pretty good way to get rid of us and give independence that we can ruin our own eCountry? 😃
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