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Personal gain? Throwing shit ton of bars to fix the walls or push them when needed? Being awake in the middle of the night to push walls at the exact second? Where is the personal gain in that?

It was not an inditemnet of the ruling party. It is just a statement, HOPE is not into it for personal gain. I never said that the others were. Why so defencive, did I stike a nerve when I made a statement about my party?

Haha. I see you are getting quite aggressive when someone stands up against you. You are offering the future you unsuccessfully advertise between the current community and need imported votes to push your agenda. HOPE government pushed Belgium into stagnation, will it do the same again?

My entire focus is on pulling eBelgium out of stagnation and I was not a member of HOPE at that time, so I cannot speak to that.
I was not agressive, any reader of this interaction will see that off the bat, you were aggressive and offended. I simply stated that I am not judging your party and the government with the "personal gain" comment, and I was rightfully wondering why you were reading that statement as an inditment against your party.

I am really shocked that you feel that I was being aggressive. I am sorry I offended your delicate feelings

ok 🙂

I see you find your only "hope" in messaging other parties' members to vote for you. You are a disgrace: no vision, just the rare hunger for power.

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Butthurt much comrade?

I don't consider you my comrade, since HOPE is not an e-socialist party anymore. It has dropped its old ideology (given it ever truly had one) and would do everything for powergain it seems. Despite your empty words you are not anti-establishment, your party just wants to be in charge for the sake of being in charge, it has no specific values at all.

lol, the comrade part was me ripping on you for being an e-Socialist. I would like to build a country were we build fences to keep the enemy out, not to keep citizens in. A trait shared with all RL socialist countries.

You ridicule yourself with not having an idea what democratic socialism is and confusing it with state-capitalist authoritarianism.

Anyway, so just you know, HOPE always identified as a socialist party, so you might consider changing parties or renaming your own.

It is a Centre Party, literally not Left or Right. I did not change that, it is simply the way it is

Yes, it was changed a month or two ago, you are correct.

Shotan, chill buddy, it is a game. Good, robust debate is good for the country. For the first time in a long time, we are here, talking to each other. Being a bit bitchy in the process. I know that our deal did not materialize. It was partly my fault. I had the blessing of the party to offer you CP in an allience. Discussion was ongoing, but approval was given for the offer. As a personal preference, I like to have a CP candidate in place by congressional elections. I thought that I had given you plenty of time with a very generous offer. I am sorry it did not work out. I should have been more communicative to you.

What is wrong with asking people to vote for us and suport us? You did that as well, after stabbing us in the back for a seat on D9's table. I wonder why you still use the name democratic and socialist in you'r party? I don't see anything democratic or socialist in you'r party. That's why we call on you'r and other party members to join HOPE. The only real democratic party in EBe....

He's sitting on my table?

To be honest, I don't have a table. More of a nice green hill, with a big oak tree in the middle and some benches in the shade. Where we can all have a picnic together,enjoy some food and beverages. A place where everyone is welcome.

Good to know that you findly opened up to us.

Have I ever been closed? Barely 30 voting citizens, maybe less active citizens, the gates have always been open, you just need to want to walk through it. An obstacle only to those that insist on playing a module in erep to the letter which barely has any relevance to a nation like ours with such a small community.

The animosity towards us has always been there and can still be seen in certain reactions. Our only wish is to install a democratic and open regime and make Belgium grow. The fact that everyone here has left Belgiumor will not stay long is partly due to the monarchist dictatorial system, the monarchy and the closed doors, behind those door which everything was decided without consulting the population. Let alone ask for their approval ...

I found a picture of your hill D9

https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/director9-s-picnic-spot-2725145/1/20

Oh, ffs, stop it, Killah Bee.
First, you joined DSP and -- together with the banned faker called Krobotkin -- you have backstabbed us and left to reside in HOPE in order to satisfy your political hunger.

To make things clear: I have never joined any tables, I am not part of D9's government, nor did I take back my given word or violate any agreements I made.
I have voted for D9 not because I find it healthy that he basically inherits the seat of CP every month, but because I consider your power hungriness a danger to our country -- a country that could definitely do better (always can), but not with you (and the people you recklessly let in as a PTO attempt) in charge.

Trying to convince our party members that our party president is not the right person to lead our community and calling us to join your ranks shows exactly how low you are. And you just made me realize that all the other parties have to work together against the threat of a PTO you might want to happen.

Writing private messages to other party's members = rouge move. People pulling unethical cards to get into position are not fit for the job.

Unlike you our party works 100% democratic... all of our members get the chance to go for PP or CP. In fact, power is the thing we wan't to destroy. We wan't to install a real democracy, not you' bootlicking kim jong un style of government. BTW, you forgot to tel the people that i was ATO member for a while. 🙂 The krobotkin story is indeed something weird indeed, but not on my acount COMRADE

Alexandros, seriously, writing messages to people is a rogue move. Maybe in your socialist utopia, freedom of speech is something you can stop, not here buddy, I will speak to whoever I wish to speak to

Jeez, monarchy, constitutional, democracy, empty words in this game. eRep politics have in no way any resemblance to RL politics.

And who do I need to ask approval of? Every citizen which is not dead on the board? Including those who click once a month and don't make any progress at all? How long before we end the vote? Who's gonna lay down those rules, metarules which, like I mentioned before, I don't play a metagame. I'm willing to play in a team with teammembers for the better of eBe.

And if are talking about democracy, why not accept that up to this point you have not been able to convince the citizens of eBe that you are the better choice? Instead of accepting that, getting yourself informed of why not, so that you can work to that you choose to invite new players which you know will vote for you. Bringing on change because eBe wants it. A weird sense of democracy, not much better if I were to pay everyone 10G to vote for me is it.

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Okay, none of it is important to you then? let's just continue as we are doing now. A king on top of a pile of tax money who decides what to do with it. The people can choose between licking elite heels or shut up ... because criticism? The elite is hostile to criticism, aren't they? : p

Bee, do you know what democratic means? In DSP we debate and then democratically make our decisions.

Okayok, I have nothing against freedom of speech, you are trying to put your own words into my mouth, which is, again, an unethical move. You know, freedom of speech lets you express yourself, it protects your right to spread ypur word -- too bad you can only use it to repeat your empty words and go behind everyone's back to get whar you want. I criticise your lack of honesty, not your right to be ... a person of questionable intentions.

On top of a pile of money, which I don't touch, otherwise it would not be a pile of money anymore. Money that has been used in various state programs for all to use.
Money that always has been and will be available to projects forwarded by eBe citizens, but the math has to be sound.

Licking heels is definitely not the way to be my friend at all

As we suggested before, we want to strive for a more progressive system. A system that ensures that players in a lower level have more opportunities to grow. Now it clearly works the other way around, those who already play in higher level get more which makes the gap even wider. Even DIV and DIV 2 players can no longer get medals as now there are also players with a higher level there.

I am loving the activity on this artcile, so nice to actually speak to our leaders, even if we do not agree

Always available to talk via PMs and Discord ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Welcome to the world of eRepublik, where buying packs will make you stronger. FYI it is a pay to win game, maybe time to get out of your utopian vision of this game and see what it really is, a GAME in which with money you can buy your way to the top.

Always happy to leave a medal for eBe citizens, I have always said that, but it is seemingly hard to come online and leave a message that you would like a medal. Especially at the end of the round, you want me to leave open all divs, how many medals you think you'll get? Sadly enough due to the game mechanics you have to have a minimal amount of damage in div to secure the medal, and even then it's not guaranteed. But if that is what the majority of citizens wish : no more medals for power hungry D9, we'll leave them for the rest of the eWorld?

Honestly, I sometimes believe I'm playing another game then you.

I don't like to answer with a hot mind from angry post but let me be clear : we are open to every idea, every position, every project but we keep the right to say yes or no. It is not the PP who decides alone, we discuss together, between all members who have something to say.

You proposed an alliance, we rejected it because we consider it as a empty shell. OkayOK tries again but didn't work well.

But if there is something I can't agree, it is manipulation. One side you look like our friend but behind, you throw tomatoes to us. One side, you act with diplomacy but in the shadow you try to absorb us. Don't tell me I'm lying, this is what I observed and what I was reported.

We are not democratic? If you [Killah Bee] didn't leave our party, you could see how we're working and you could see we have opened discussions without censorship or pressure, so how can you pretend HOPE is the only real democratic party?

Not socialist? We never ask for a socialist republic but for a country made for people by the people. ATO tries its best for the country. Of course, they are problems like a lack of communication or a decrease of activity. DSP is here to help the country to improve, not to destroy the work done before.

If there is something I will never tolerate here, it is disrespect. We have always respected you as a possible partner. If you consider us as bad because we don't agree with your plan, you are not as democratic as you said.

The position didn't change : our door is still open but we prefer to work with true concrete partners.

All I saw was a dead party. There was no debate. I've never even seen you "Shotan" active. After Krobotkin was banned, the DSP was completely dead. For some reason you climbed out of hibernation to take over the torch of this zombie party.

I would like to remind you that you spent only a couple of days in DSP, yet somehow you were invited to the "zombie party's" functioning message thread. The moment you left we have started a new email, of course.

And don't act as if Krobotkin was banned while he was staying in DSP. He ran for office and lost, threw a tantrum, blamed us for not electing him (just like you claimed it was betrayal we didn't support you) and left the party to join HOPE -- following the person who had left just a few days ago in complete silence: you. So his multiaccount shenanigans clearly have nothing to do with DSP.

There is clearly no shortage of drama and fantasy at the DSP

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It's a real melodrama.

Let's HOPE, HOPE wins!

Good luck!