[Sluagh] Pettiness From The Top
Dante Boss
First thing I want to say is that this article is not written due to me being sour about losing the election, there was no chance for me to be elected. This article is just to show how I as an individual, am a target for the administration, whom I can imagine are actually quite afraid that I am back at the centre of eIrish politics.
Upon being granted my Irish citizenship back, I received the following message from a high up official within eIreland.
You now have been given a chance to prove you will not now become a disruptive and trolling player in Ireland.
I don't expect you to agree with me but he must do so in tempered and respectful way and not resort to abuse etc.
Start anew and earn respect back
Right, so I am being offered a fair life here so long as I do so respectfully and earn respect. That is what I wanted set out to do.
In my campaign article "[S4CP]" I wrote a fair, respectful outline of what I was offering eIreland. I was offering activity, legitimate political reform and an improvement in eIrish society.
I also highlighted failures of the three previous administrations, problems which are quite serious.
>The occupational force do not look favourably towards the eIrish right now.
>Three months to write a Constitution, yet nothing has been produced.
>Inactive and unmotivated population
>No public financial reports which had always been demanded during my previous terms.
In my article, nowhere did I list off names, nowhere did I blame anybody - I just highlighted faults as is my very right to do - as a citizen am I not entitled to enquire about what the problems eIreland is facing as a collective?
I was asked to be respectful, don't be disruptive etc. Yet the very person who asked this of me was quick to come out and slander me.
Then he came back with what in fairness is a fair question.
I answered this issue before in my article "An Irishmans Diary". And as pointed out, newer citizens might not know the story so I reiterated my points.
I ended my reasons with a question, how could the administration justify any of the reasons I sought Ireland's rejection. Shockingly, I received no answer. Yet they managed to return to my article and ask me more questions. Again I obliged respectfully.
I worked on a fair and respectful platform - my article showed no attacks on the administration or individuals. I can honestly say that it was written with integrity.
However, my opponent and current CP Winston Hope Smith wrote an article of a much more sinister nature that directly targeted me.
He claims that electing me will "return us to the days of abuse". Electing me to President will not resort to days of abuse? This is an unjust claim and is entirely biased. Yes I used to be an abusive player but the past 2-2 years, I have matured greatly and have played this game with an open mind to other players.
He claims "where a certain clique hoovered up all Government supports" - this is false, there is no proof, evidence of any abuse of State resources by any administration I have been involved with. Again, trying to undermine me.
He states "we are all equal here". Yet I am not treated equally at all by him and his peers.
He tells us "One of the people running here for CP put his personal feelings of entitlement ahead of Ireland and has admitted blocking our membership of PLUTO hurting us. When this is pointed out the usual cabal returns with the abuse."
Yet I have now twice given my reasons for such a move, asked for him to dispute my reasons which are above "personal feelings" yet he fails to dispute them. As for my cabal? I have no such thing - I think somebody has just been watching too much of The Blacklist.
Then he claims that I will involve myself within State Institutions, wreck them, play foul. How? I don't know. Have I before? No. I work as an individual,I work for eIreland.
"Protect the institutions of our state keeping them free and fair or return to the bad old days".
Again, how will I descend us to the bad old days? Winston Hope Smith has said, that my election will do nothing good for Ireland but return us to days of chaos.
Well Mr. WHS.
You have a wiped nation.
An enemy that does not wish to strike any deals with you.
An inactive population.
No plans.
You only have threats that if we stray from you - things will get worse when they are already pretty bad.
Also the use of the following image is quite comical:
When you state: Should I win I will be appointing the same cabinet. (a new MoFA) which is more or less the same cabinet as Elite C had for his two terms.
But no, this isn't a clique.
The administration is afraid, they are worried about losing their positions.
See you in congress lads,
~Sluagh.
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i cant see any of your pics.. 🙁
Working on it now. I'll PM you when I have it fixed!
WHS is blaming you for Ireland not being accepted in Pluto?
Lad really needs some self criticism. Ireland literally had worst month in history. Thanks to incapable leadership.
Lol you think that has been the worst month in eIrish history? Lol
It's hard to pick between this two and those when bean&teddy costed us whole treasury..or kuthesh's robbery in another ILP's term. That'd be the top 3
Lol maybe during your visit to eIreland.
A player's affinity for trolling, attitude towards fighting, gold buying, community or international politics does not define their status as a citizen of their home country. Each individual approaches the game in a unique way and as long as they arent being a massive traitor that should not affect their political and social rights. Say no to character assassination, it only hurts retention!
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Liam, when you read this, I've changed my mind and don't make the offer to Sluagh 😛 he is obviously not ready yet
More ready than you are to answer any of my questions.
No you are not, if you cannot be trusted to keep a PM private then you are not trusted to be in Government (I hope PLUTO are aware of this little character flaw)
So how ready are you answer my questions that I have pitched to you.
I am seeing somewhat of a problem with complete PM privacy though...
The government and the state are supposed to be elected by the people. They are supposed to represent and defend the people, and bring hard decisions when need be.
Transparency is what controls the government from running haywire, and becoming an entity that controls the people.
If you are transparent in what you do while serving the people, then the people have all the more reason to trust you, for they can see you are one of them.
If you never reveal any reason or process behind the decisions you make, what possible reason would the people have for trusting you? Talk to your people, involve the public and explain to them why you do what you do, and then those that say that you are doing nothing will have no more ammo to shoot at you.
I understand the trust issues that would arise from sharing private PMs that you had with other nations, but in case of for example eLithuania, they already dislike us and we hate them.
We are already on very shitty ground with each other, and all we have to rely on from your side is your word that 'the establishment is doing it's best / all it can'. How do you expect any rational adult to believe such a thing with no evidence to support it.
The reason you didn't release the PMs in that recent article was because as you said 'Their CP didn't agree to it'. We already hate their CP. He is a president of a country that is holding ALL of our territories, why would the people care that an invader like that would maybe trust the people he is occupying a little bit less?
We don't want him to trust us. We want them all out of here.
(I have nothing personal against you WHS, when I asked for advice you have provided it and I am very much grateful for that, but I can't agree with the policies you have and the way you enforce them, and so I choose to speak my mind on it.)
Hi Alpha, yes I had a one to one PM with Argon and yes when published it will exonerate me. It would be easy for me to do so...I have done so in Cabinet and if anyone in Cabinet feels I am misrepresenting the truth of the situation then they are free to say so. I have asked Argon a number of times to allow me to publish this he has refused this, mumbled something about calling him names in another (different) message so be assured there is no love lost. (still awaiting the SS so I can identify where and maybe who leaked it as it is probably true)
Sluagh again in his article is making nonsense points about our PLUTO referendum (as if it was any business of a foreign national, he was Mexican at the time) but the substantive issue is that with Moo he demanded and bought the then Mexican government's veto on our application. If he thinks this did not in any way harm our ability to fight off Lithuanian then his low opinion of his alliance is interesting. You might also of been interested in other PLUTO governments opinions of him at the time but I would not leak that either, anyway they got over this seemingly as they appointed him MC 😛
What Sluagh leaves out is he has contacted me privately with regards to PLUTO's plans, would it be ok for me to leak them? Of course not. I hold the policy of not publishing PMs for good reason. Not so I can hide stuff, (if he asked me could he of published I would of said yes, not liked it but said yes) but because I don't want our plans and internal conversations leaked and if people trust me not to leak then I get more information.
We were on the verge of offering a position in Government to Sluagh, part of his rehabilitation, but he of course, in line with his character flaws I highlighted, could not wait to publish the above. (Cheered on by Don who to cheat the process appointed himself to 2 out of 3 places in the last dictator election committee)
Is it any wonder people don't trust him?
"making nonsense points about our PLUTO referendum (as if it was any business of a foreign national, he was Mexican at the time)"
Nonsense claims that you can't dismiss as fasle? And dodging the questions again.
Hello, it's me again. (This replying system is so weird... I hope this ends up where I want it to.)
I completely understand the historical issues that exist between the players here and I don't think I could be in a good position to make a decision either way without more knowledge. If there are articles from that time regarding the issue you describe could please point me to them? I would really like to learn all the sides of the story first.
That being said though... I feel like some of the questions Sluagh raised are genuine, and yet they received no (serious) response from anyone in the government.
As for it being any wonder people don't trust him, I have to reply with saying that I don't fully trust anyone yet, because everyone seems to have some hidden agenda that they are trying to push. But I guess that's just politics.
Also darn, I knew I missed something... So weird having to scroll down to see the thing you are replying to.
The thing is, I can't really agree with a lack of transparency.
I *will* straight out agree that it has some very good benefits, but the cost of those benefits isn't something that should be ignored.
While knowing that a person you are talking to will never say a word of it to anyone else, does it not also hold true that in a conversation like that either (if not both) individuals could abuse the peoples trust and bring forth decisions that are not in the peoples favor but their own?
(Please note that I am NOT accusing you of anything, I am just trying to explain the *possible* bad outcomes of such an arrangement.)
Also I do not really understand something, who chooses the cabinet, and who chooses the council?
-->WHS Muahaha! Again the fairy tales for children about bad Lithuanian CP and honorable WHS who don't want to publish the enemy CP PM's in order not to destroy his reputation...
But be brave and responsible - just publish. You shouldn't care about the enemy's reputation.
Just please also explain the facts about some Irish tanking also Croatian MU's co for Ireland (don't mix with Collins MU CO after LT CP message about TW end). What can you say about this?
The truth is that you wanted to kick us out from Ireland trying to agree with some countries MU about help. In order to realise this plan you decided to break a trety, unfortunately you did not take into account that not always you can celebrate victory, but always every action brings a reaction.
So now you are in quite difficult situation, cause 1. Ireland is wiped out of the map in spite of having 2 regions (2 at least for beginning); 2. your partners who promised to help you has more important prios, 3. you are not a trustable person among the Lithuanians so it means that Irelansd has not a big chanses to make any agreement with Lithuania until you are a CP.
-->Alpha.Primaris
"case of for example eLithuania, they already dislike us and we hate them."
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i believe that all you've said concerned Irish point of view about Lithuania is truth, but Lithuania doesn't hate Ireland or Irish. Neither in RL nor in this game. War with Ireland - just a fun for us.
"The reason you didn't release the PMs in that recent article was because as you said 'Their CP didn't agree to it'. "
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The reason he did not issued that PM's and explained what has happened, was because he had an unofficial plan how to kick out eLT from the Ireland. Unfortunately, plan had failed. So your CP have no balls to recognize his responsibility for the current situation that you were wiped out because of his actions...
@iPSiArt
While I don't agree with the way WHS does some things, you seem to forget that he is not the one that is currently occupying almost the entirety of the island.
As such, in the case when there is no evidence, his word is heavier than yours.
He can be lying through his teeth, but he is eIrish and you are not. And that alone makes him more trustworthy than you.
Of course evidence turns that on its head, but as I said when there isn't any there is really nothing more to say.
"but Lithuania doesn't hate Ireland or Irish. Neither in RL nor in this game. War with Ireland - just a fun for us."
-I am not even eIrish RL, and will never bring over loyalties I have in that world over to this one. In my mind they are completely unrelated. In eRepubluk, I am eIrish, and in this world I fight against enemies holding our lands. (Please note, I am well aware that this is a computer simulation. A little roleplay never hurt anyone.) 🙂
"The reason he did not issued that PM's and explained what has happened, was because he had an unofficial plan how to kick out eLT from the Ireland. Unfortunately, plan had failed. So your CP have no balls to recognize his responsibility for the current situation that you were wiped out because of his actions..."
-Without solid evidence for that statement, it's nothing more than rumor.
Why does your president not post the screenshots, and prove that our government did in fact break the agreement? Not only would it give you someone new to possibly ally with, there might even be a possibility of a friendship somewhere down the line because in that case, you would have helped the eIrish citizens overthrow a tyrant! It would be a win win both ways.
Or of course, it could go the other way around and prove that it was you that broke it. Which makes WHS correct in that regard, and still very trustworthy when it comes to communication.
"Why does your president not post the screenshots, and prove that our government did in fact break the agreement?" +1
I hereby give my premission
I wonder if iPSiArt has seen said PMs
If not then we can discount what he says until he does.
If so then he is been "economical" with the truth,
Did I have a plan to oust Lithuania...yep, as Ireland's CP it would be a dereliction of my duty not to be trying to achieve this aim.
However, as everyone knew, I was not at a place at that moment in time to achieve this aim. Ask Colin when did he get the call for help? Before you ended the TW or just after. If just after(it was) then that is some plan alright. A plan where I get you to end a TW and have NOTHING No Help aready in place.
Even most of my detractors know I'm better than that.
No the ending of the TW was not of my making, I told Argon more than once that I was not ending it and if he was ending it it was his decision not mine.
""told Argon more than once that I was not ending"" you know its easy to say, that in PM I told that and bla bla bla, ofcourse you said, but the qustion is what did you do... but not what you said... I clearly know that your words means NOTHING, and that you said someting to our CP in that time it doesn't change the fact of pushing walls and etc, ofcourse not you personal, but irish people and irish allys, and if you dont know how TW works dont even start those agreements next time... if you are saying one thing and doing another it doesn't mean that you are right.. I HOPE YOU GET IT NOW 😉
Who are you to judge if he's ready for something?
Sluagh has been one of the best leaders this country has ever had, he's been pulling all the strings in many successful military actions.
In the meantime you are President who costed Ireland its whole treasury - twice. You costed Ireland one of the longest wipes in its history, your government is leaking things to enemies, you have no idea at all how to liberate a country.
In the same time you're giving yourself a right to judge if Sluagh is ready for something. Sluagh invented this game comparing to your game mechanics knowledge.
You've turned one of the most respect countries in the world, alliance leading country, military strong country to a place everyone are laughing to.
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ok thx for the pics i can see now.
i read it but tbh i don't see the purpose? what do you expected posting this exactly?
Just that I've been asked to be all nice and respectful by WHS. yet WHS was very quick to start attacking me and belittling me.
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WHS seems like the eUK's dapper...
dapper could tank
The delay in the Constitution is due to me being ill for the past few weeks. I haven't had the energy.
I hope your alright mate but you've had the energy to form a whole new party in that time.
Also could nothing have been done in the meantime by the others? Cmon
WHS, just publish those PM... and everyone will see... that we just kindly asked you not to PUSH walls to Irish side all the time... but you just didn't want to do that 😃D (and saying no we are not doing it but some military unit bla bla... doing it) so don't complain then.. and yes somehow in that battle which you need to win, but lost you and your allies did twice less dmg, than in the battle which you supposed to lose 😃 So, just publishevrything , and everone will be happy, doesn't it? maybe then people will think again why they chose you for CP again...
+1 I really don't see the reason Irish people vote dor him but if they enjoy being wiped then I am not one to judge.
He's a politician, petty internal politics has been a cancer of Ireland for a long time. WHS is the biggest cancer which caused half of the country leave few months ago, just before your invasion on the island. You picked the best possible moment for it.
Anyway, just wanted to let you know how easy your job is consider who are you dealing with and consider that people of Ireland in this moment are still voting for his lies.
we are not an irish mu. im solely in charge of co's etc. dont think i would place co's for them . for me its about untie'ing my mu from irish battles so they can fight in other causes. if it looks like we can push you out i will put up internal co's for my soldiers and clerics etc etc.
but what is the point of deception really?
just because we are friends dont mean fighting against each other is necessary a bad thing.. dont worry about weird potato says(whs) he is just his usual pussy self not p* but full of pus.
i will try and garner some support here in bulgaria for a massive fight . hear them shout to not fight in that battles 🙂
Voted for you in the election. Voted this article. GL.
If you are willing to embrace Banism, we actively pursue anti-State initiatives and seek to disempower the State transferring power to the people.
WHS and RTK : Incompetency and mediocrity are mutual bedfellows.
grrrr