Willy, Congress and the eUK
HebronGazelle
There has been a lot of interesting discussion in the past few days. Most of it does not actually benefit the eUK and is just used to target certain groups or individuals, or throw wild claims around. I feel as though we have done this a thousand times before (well, we probably have) and that we could solve all of the problems a lot easier providing that the people arguing actually want to solve the problems. I've decided to write a "short" article with some notes in that everyone should read.
We Don't Know How Many People In UKPP Support King Willy
Fact. Everyone is pretending they know the figures to boost their arguments. What do we know? Well, we know for certain that King Willy was messaging dozens of people before and during the PP election to bribe them for votes. We also know that several players across the eUK were very vocal about not wanting King Willy to have power. That is what we know. So far I haven't seen any concrete evidence that either side used multi's, but we know bribes were used. Most of those against King Willy accept that both sides in the election have had a lot of imported voters, while many of King Willy's side haven't yet accepted they had imported voters (despite the clear evidence they used bribery).
So what does all that mean? It is safe to assume we cannot use the PP election results to determine how much support King Willy has in his party. There has been suggestions that we use the election from a month ago to determine King Willy's support but a lot changes in a month so that would be very inaccurate, and I've heard claims that the election was also filled with corruption. The most accurate means of estimating the support King Willy has in his party at the moment is to see what UKPP members are saying in public about King Willy. Sadly this isn't the ideal way to see his support but we should go by it as it is currently the best. Based on what is being said in public it appears a majority of his party do not support him.
So, what percentage of UKPP members support King Willy? We don't know.
When you are just watching UKPP and it explodes.
This Does Effect The eUK
Now many people will disagree with this section of the article but I welcome friendly debating in the comments.
Firstly, what happens in UKPP will effect Congress. Several active members of Congress are also in UKPP; Panonnian Nomad, CrispyDragon, Mad Pauly (who is normally in Congress but isn't this term) to name a few. Some of the UKPP Congressmen contribute greatly to discussions and while there is this civil war in UKPP we could see many of our active Congressmen replaced with inactive Congressmen. Is that bad? Well, I don't want inactive people running our country.
We also have the fact that UKPP discussions will take up time in Congress, time that could be spent improving our country. It should be known to everyone by now that Congress is voting to exclude King Willy from Congress. This is an important discussion to be held but we don't want it to drag on and delay important improvements to the eUK.
Certain supporters of King Willy have also threatened to spend money to remove the security of our country (mostly Bruce Wayne). He wants to spend 200k to remove our democratically elected dictator. If you don't understand how this dictator benefits the eUK in this game just ask in the comments and I'll explain, instead of dismissing it.
And finally, having a corrupt politician in charge of the eUK's second largest party is bad. If you disagree and think a corrupt politician is a good thing then you are probably also corrupt. A corrupt politician could lead to treasury theft, PTO or long-term wipe, all of which are bad for our country.
Long story short, it effects the eUK.
This is surrounding all of us!
Plan Of Action
Let King Willy and Bruce Wayne set out their plan of action. They criticise the way the country is being run but offer no decent alternatives (just standing against someone isn't a decent alternative - you just look like an idiot). If they go silent on this then that is because they have no ideas of their own and shouldn't be running the country. If they do offer ideas then we should all have a calm debate about it. So firstly, they need to offer alternatives.
Secondly, in my opinion, King Willy should resign as PP of UKPP. A high-level person should move into UKPP to take over when King Willy resigns who can then click the necessary buttons until the next PP election. King Willy and his supporters should not be excluded from UKPP, they should be allowed the chance to put forward any suggestions of improving the party (as I'm sure all UKPP members want their party to grow). For the benefit of the eUK it would be great if we could limit the risk of a PTO, and with that corruption-filled election we should all be wary of a King Willy PTO. It would also give King Willy the chance to step back from the hotseat but still help out the gain the support of his party. That is what I would push for as a UKPP member, but I don't want to push this on any of their members as I'm not in the party, I only want to offer my advice.
Thirdly, the exclusion of King Willy from Congress should pass and remain until King Willy gains the trust of the general public. As mentioned many times before, we are now under the threat of a PTO. I am all for allowing different opinions, which is why I would not exclude his supporters, but with the threat he poses it is best if he does not hold so much power. This is down to Congress to decide, I am unsure when the vote takes place although I think it will pass.
T-Swizzle knows what is best.
Now the wrap this all up. We don't know how many people in UKPP support King Willy, but based on what UKPP members say publically it seems a majority of the party are against him. What is happening in UKPP does effect the eUK so the general public should try to keep up with what is happening. We need to allow King Willy and his supporters to give their opinion but they should not hold very high positions of power until they can be trusted. That's all!
Comments
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Voted, endorsed, was already subbed so I'm not doing that.
One of the biggest internal issues is the effective disenfranchisement of several UKPP party members, since King William has seen fit to exclude us from party communications. For someone who claims to be fair and equitable, this is nothing but a joke.
I wholeheartedly agree that King William should resign his post as UKPP PP and should not run again on any platform until he has proven beyond any doubt that he can be trusted with a position of responsibility. Given his current record, I cannot see that happening any time soon, since his actions have proved divisive and potentially destructive, not only for the party but for the country as a whole. How anyone can claim to be acting for the "good of the country" by causing such division when the country itself is being destroyed by the Argentine invaders is totally beyond my comprehension.
It's always possible though, Bruce Wayne was welcomed back into the community when he stopped threatening to destroy it (although he's making new threats now, and I hope he doesn't push himself back out). I hope you guys manage to sort this out without destroying your party or damaging the eUK.
Here, here!
Couldn't have put it better myself, except
2 accounts, created FEBRUARY THIS YEAR(!) have effective control of UKPP - Billy-boy & his pitbull Chappie in case you're wondering - so these 2 need to leave the UKPP & go to BDP (where they belong).
However, who is the highest level member of UKPP? Umm, it's D..C (http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/2007416) an eLithuanian refugee - let's hope he's a decent chap who'll ask what buttons need pushing & when.
If he's not a nice guy you could always ask Frag to move over until the end of CP elections (after that point the PP can't really press interesting buttons).
Both King William and CHAPP1E have been asked several times about their eRep history, with respect to other accounts. Both have refused to give a straightforward and honest answer. Perhaps if they were to regain some modicum of trust, they would publicly reveal their eRep past.
for accounts barely over 4 months old, they know far too much about eRep .. but sadly lacking in UKPP history
It'd be a pretty massive inconvenience for D..C when he doesn't bother with the country's politics in the slightest. Getting somebody who actually cared somewhat would be a better idea.
dunno if Frag would be arsed though
Who's the second highest level in UKPP? If they're better you could ask D..C to move temporarily so the party goes into more caring hands.
Of course this is all reliant on William agreeing to resign, which I don't see happening.
it's not good, a barely active MEK member
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/party-members/3205#2
The vote to Suspend King William the Great fro Congress finished around 12.30PM. It was 61% in favour of suspension. The threshold for it to pass was 66%.
61%, what's that? 19/31 for it? That's pretty close.
61% of the voters in the vote.
"The vote to suspend King Willy from congress has ended, with 13 votes in favour and 8 against, with 1 abstention.
61% of the vote was in favour of the suspension, so the motion has failed to achieve 66% and has failed."
13 for out of 22 is 59%.
13 for out of 21 of 62%.
If you want 61% you'd have to have something like 19 out of 31 or 11 out of 18.
idk man Ad did it not me, I'm just parroting
lol
lol
I was elected by a majority of UKPP Members.
Although who knows, some loser with nothing better to do will probably just make multis. I rely on grassroots networking with real, actual people.
Proving you've not read the article just highlights your lack of reading comprehension.
To reiterate. It is impossible to know what portion of UKPP Voted Rory, you, or Igglylug.
Therefore, to make such unfounded claims is stupid. Even a spin-doctor would wince at your feeble attempts.
I see you gave up the faux-British act now, at least.
classic ajay nonsense
No Ajay you rely on multi-accounts and paid for imported voters to gain and retain control of the party. The very same party whose constitution you have willingly broken proving you have no mandate as PP.
Has the congress vote gone through yet? It's 24 hr this one, isn't it?
It's been rejected, it seems they were about 2 more "yes" votes away from it passing though.
damn.
your missing the most important issue, he hasnt done anything against the UK for him to be punished