The Truth of the PTO
Major Lee Hung
Before I begin, the below is simply answers to the three most common things I was asked during my time in Canada, and also in the weeks since leaving. This is in no way an attempt to start debate, as it's impossible to debate the truth (below). This will be the first and last time I address you all, so if you were/are an 'opponent' then simply don't read further.
I haven't really been keeping up with anything to do with Canada because frankly it got boring long ago. However, I have been getting little updates here and there of some pretty hilarious self-destructive goings on. Between DMV3 playing hero for "defeating" the non-existent threat and the MDP still buying it, the fun community you once had is now gone.
The below are the facts on everything you need to know to determine the correct side yourself.
"The Serbians"
The fuel to the ongoing fire many months ago was the fact that we accepted ~8 RL Serbians in to Canada. Not a huge number and by no means the PTO army it was made out to be. I notice that very recently, they're still being used to grow the political ambitions of a few citizens in this "ATO" effort, which has been an ongoing saga for much of the year.
The truth? As I originally stated, I brought them to Canada to strengthen our defences against the previous reasons as to why our former party shouldn't exist. (Before the whole 'PTO' thing) A bad reason yes, but we did it nonetheless.
Further truth: Dozzer and The Anaconda can confirm that the RL Serbians began the process of leaving quite some time ago. The ones who are still in Canada are likely just inactive, except for 2 of them who are still trying to gain citizenship elsewhere.
Very soon, when they either eDie or gain their new CS, you'll see that I'm not lying on this point - the side who use them as an excuse to grow their ATO(?) are the liars. From what I understand, very few of the people we actually accepted remain. It's been over a month since they began the leaving process.
The ATO
The ATO as you'll know it always has and always will be purely an excuse to keep control over eCanada. As many of you will recall, there was an "ATO" effort to stop the United Front before we even had congressmen to accept people. This was down to me disagreeing with a policy when we first started out. Anybody who believes the ATO was truly there to defend Canada is simply naive - as I'm sure many of you are beginning to discover.
My proof? You just need to remember back to the time when we had 30 people and were almost PTO'd for being a threat to the other 500 actives people in Canada at the time, purely over one disagreement with DMV3.
My Goals
For a long time my true motives have been questioned; because nobody believed the reasons I gave. My goal always was to create a "real" political party to compete with others. Me and/or my ideas weren't accepted within Canada and this became clear, so I left - they were as simple as that.
If you have disagreements with/questions about any of the above, feel free to post a comment and I'll address it. I struggle to fathom how, what was once a fun community, has descended into a cesspit of naivety. Stop getting hung up on conspiracy theories/over-dramatic imbeciles (yes, you know who you are!) and just enjoy the game while you still can. 🙂
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Didn't even read.
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Players can play around with all but one party in this republik.
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("Truth" + "Prince Sheogorath") = (x/0)
If you could hurry up and get your people out of here, that'd be great. I'm as tired of patching the holes you left here as everyone else is of hearing about them. The "truth" is, maybe they are just harmless folk minding their own business and not seeking to undermine global governments for teh lulz, but:
a) it is unwise of us to take that chance based on your say-so, given your track record and the known history of many of the individuals involved;
b) none of them has seemed interested in contributing to eCanada as a whole in any way, except perhaps by contributing damage (in fights not necessarily sanctioned by our leadership or alliance).
I rather enjoyed the whole commie thing. Despite the poaching, bribery and whatever other dirty means you used to propel your party into our top 5, twice (I'm going to hazard a guess and say that at least a few of those leftovers who will eventually "die off" are probably multis), you put up an interesting fight and offered some fun RP. I thought you were an interesting dude until you weaponized immigration for political reasons and basically told us all to go f*** ourselves.
Have fun in Thailand, and if you could take Anaconda with you, the rest of us would appreciate it. o7
I, in no way, can relate to this having never had my own party PTO'ed (for 5 months) and trolled out of the country like a leaper (possibly to the beautiful island of Ireland). All eCanadians are perfectly reasonable people with no hidden agendas or ambitions. Look a unicorn.
You come off as pretty reasonable in this article, but if there wasn't some sort of plot to PTO then I seriously question your judgement in handling of this incident. Why the thinly veiled hints that you would PTO the CPF, why the articles with ominous foreshadowing about not being defeated, and why not come out with this article two months ago instead of today when the "PTO" has been defeated for quite some time.
You're pretty much correct about the motivations behind the ATO but that doesn't mean you are any less of an unreliable narrator than you've been in the past.
You're a retard! If you think that was the case with ATO next time we'll let you handle it. Fgts like you sit on their hands and do nothing for the community. Then when something happens you weigh in like you're actually do something. Your only contribution to eCanada is noise. Nut up or shut up!
http://tinyurl.com/lfl2qfm
Did I strike a nerve?
No, you're just a retard who only knows how to run his mouth. Maybe if you actually did something people might have something to criticize you about. You want to know why you can whine about what I do? I actually do things to help eCanada, you just run your mouth. Put up or shut up.
Again... http://tinyurl.com/lfl2qfm
When will you learn that personal attacks aren't actually a valid form of debating with someone? You take things waaaay too personally and go personal if others don't immediately see things your way. Despite whatever you might think about me, I don't dislike you. If you want to flesh your beef out with me feel free to send a PM, I wouldn't mind talking to you about it.
I don't see a point in debating the issue with you. Debating with someone like you is a waste of time.
Ok well if that's what you want I would prefer if you stopped personally insulting me then whenever I give my two cents. If you want to do that then I'm all ears in a PM, but if you want to argue about an issue out here in the comments then you should stick to the facts and not start name calling.
I prefer if you stopped being a whiny tard, so I guess it's a wash.
Hey, at least you're not sucking PS's dick. lol
Dennis only called you a retard.
Funny how he goes on yet claims to not want a debate. I can tell you how to end the discussion. Let him have the last comment calling you a name. That's an old trolling trick as a lot of folks that don't know any better will skim the comments and then look at the last one to make sense of it all. It's in this way, having the last word, he imprints his insult in their mind and tips the scales of the readers judgement in his favor.
Dill is a green wiener.
During the height of the PTO, we let in ~8 RL Serbians, although he was planning on bringing many more. He once told me 30-100 and many more were interested, we just never had the CS passes to bring them in.
This is just my POV.
The "PTO" threat wasn't really a PTO to start with. Just some people who wanted to do some stuff differently. Then some over eager people got excited and started the ATO crap. Then the PTO people started to react like a real PTO would and the shit slinging commenced.
When something 'new' with people you have a differing culture that makes them react socially in a way that is not easily understood by the other side there is often a violent reaction by both sides. Sometimes a little decorum and understanding is all that's needed to bring the two sides together.
Yes I do have factual basis for this opinion. The Inci that "invaded" the US was quite an event. Crazy people on both sides caused many problems before the Inci finally got pissed off and moved on.
Please don't talk about things you know nothing of. Inci dominate us for months and months the amount of backroom dealing was insane. There was even government subsides going to them to keep them in check. They sold there support for CP to the highest bidder and wrecked havoc on the parties. Inci had america rapped around it's finger. I don't hate INCI because they bailed me out a time or two but to paint them as some pointless group is just wrong. This is why people find Dill idiotic, he speaks without knowing anything.
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They were a threat at that time. After they were attacked. Just like Inci became an actual PTO threat when they felt attacked.
Please publish whatever you like.
You are reactionary. You oppose everything that's not in your best interest. I'm capable of reason and changing my opinion when the facts as I understand them change.
For the record, you've disgusted me for quite awhile but I kept my mouth shut to keep the peace. You obviously are done being conciliatory, playing the nice guy after I called you on the party power struggle. Hope you enjoy your 3 seats in Congress.
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Heh.
New Era let in Serbs before it was cool 😛.
I don't know much about Canada's situation, but the fact that your ATOers seem more moronic than your PTOers is quite concerning...
The PTO threat is dead, so there's that.
ATO's pretty easy once you understand the basics, just move people around and you're done.
I was referring more to you calling people retarded when they question your motivations rather than, ya know, being a reasonable human being.
"My proof? You just need to remember back to the time when we had 30 people and were almost PTO'd for being a threat to the other 500 actives people in Canada at the time, purely over one disagreement with DMV3."
To be completely honest, the only reason I took part in taking United Front from you last month is because the month before you agreed to get your people to support our candidate for Speaker and work together to get stuff done in Congress. Then after the election you broke your word and did the exact opposite on nearly ever front. So a few weeks later when boredom was at an all time high and people in the CPF started flipping out about a PTO (DMV, Exalted Druid, etc...) I saw a chance to have a few laughs and maybe kill a couple birds with one stone.
I never thought you were a threat. I never thought eCanada was under threat. What it boiled down to for me is that I knew you couldn't be trusted, and I didn't know where you stood. Either of those is fine, but both together can't be tolerated.
Muglack as always, speaks truth.