Couple of things regarding the UK situation
Dio Maximus
I've been on a self-imposed hiatus from this game in the last couple of months, and honestly couldn't bother to read through the all kinds of retarded articles spawned by the increasingly retarded Satan's butthole that is Serbian media today. However, I just came across a quite interesting and essentially well intended article written by Hostilian regarding the PTO situation in the UK.
I'm not surprised that the PTO team managed to get a good chuck of congress. There are lots of players who are in fact quite experienced with these kind of operations who are involved in the current PTO of the United Kingdom. There are couple of things that need to be mentioned first. I don't think this PTO is beneficial for Serbia at all, taking into account our (mostly friendly) history with the UK. This all started when UK ''switched sides'' and decided to stick with Poland instead of Serbia. At that moment that was a fine strategic decision on behalf of eUK's government. Poland was right on UK's doorstep, in France to be precise and everything seemed that Serbia is going to be buttraeped by a proposed mega-alliance that was forming against it in December/January during and after the collapse of TWO.
That however wasn't the motivation for most Serbian players to PTO the country. Instead was the newly found and quite weird (major understatement) ''brotherhood' with Croatia, Albania and USA to some extent. This was perceived as a major stab in the back and a betrayal of epic proportions, which essentially (leaving the melodrama aside) probably was.
Most of the influential players who have cherished and nurtured good relations with their Serb/British counterparts have left the game or are currently in 2clickin' hibernation for quite some time. So it was somewhat natural as well to see the new cadre of players launch attack on their perceived enemy and traitor.
I'll probably see a lot of comments that this is ''good'' for the Serb cause and that this will cripple/sway another Sirius country to our side, but I see this completely counterproductive. From what I know there was a number of people who were against or at least skeptical toward the involvement of the United Kingdom in Sirius, and who considered Serbia as a friend. Now even if the PTO succeeds, an entire (formerly friendly) nation will be completely banded together against Serbia and not the mention the implications of this PTO on a larger, international scale. We've been branded as a nation of PTOers and cheaters along with that due to the extremely large amount of PTO's in progress or attempted in the recent history. That's fucking retarded in my honest opinion. There is nothing of benefit for Serbia if eUK is PTOed, and if the PTO establishes itself as a major political power there. Not to mention, while I'm personally against PTO's in general, there are at least a couple of other nations who warrant PTO operations before the UK.
I've been in Pakistan for quite some time and fought against several PTO attempts, and honestly I find absolutely no fun in that kind of gaming. There wasn't a major PTO attempted in ages, for instance if this was a legitimate way of playing the game, why not attempt to PTO Chile for instance or a nation who has larger population. Ofc, that's not feasible because it requires skill, organization and manpower. It's easier to do some seal clubbing in Pakistan, UK or some other smaller nation.
Some of my countrymen will work up all kinds of creative excuses how this is legitimate and cool. Newsflash: It's not, it's f-in' retarded and annoying to everyone. Some of us remember what the Croats did to Serbia 5 years ago. But they are evil right? We're just being global peacemakers and helping out the dissidents of the UK...just like we did in the USA alligning with Ajay who is a terrible human being, but no one bothered to check his background, and those who did essentially went ''f+ck it it's for the greater good''.
But is it?
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primero
TI DIJOMUKSIMUSE TVOJE GRIJEHE MOREŠ OKAJAT JEDINO UBOSNI PA TI VIDI ŠTAŠ !!!!!
Hahahah pa sta bi ovo sad svi Britanci koji se javise u komentarima su veliki ljubitelji Srbije xDD
Pa ko onda izabrao da odete poljacima?
Kakvi muljatori lelee
Dio mnogo bre komplikujes i pisas uz vetar 😛
PTO je PTO ako je dosao novi CP iz druge drzave i ima vecinu u kongresu sa tim dosljacima.
U ovom trenutku nema ni govora o TOu jer je na vlasti Britanac a i britanske partije su dosle na vlast tako da zaista ne vidim u cemu je problem 😛
Pozdrav iz UK 😛
Ne vidim zasto je drugacije kad UK dovede malo Srba da pomognu na izborima,ali je ok kada UeS i SZR uvode Turke i Ruse i to kompletne jedinice da glasaju na izborima u Srbiji.
Da listam mozda listu cs-ova da pokazem ili ces sam?
Не кажем ја да је то океј, штавише то је максимално ретардирано, сва срећа па немамо више 10-10 па се та пракса смањила ако не и затрта.
Ниси дошао да помогне, дошао си да нас натера да се поклони на идиотима у нашем народу.
Без твојих 60 гласова ми не би имали 2 ПТО странке у врху 5. и ми би имали прави ЕУК ЦП.
Ваши лојалности нису на ЕУК али на власт граби и сопственог ега, то је све.
>forgets to change org passwords
>loses the entire treasury
>calls someone else an idiot
11/10, Croc.
Мени је ово лош потез у сваком случају. Мислим да сте могли лепо да се интегришете у њихову заједницу, прилично су отворени према дошљацима, био сам и сам тамо у 2-3 наврата. Да сте били корисни и играли за Британију контам да би вам можда чак и пустили да се кандидујете за председника, а то је позиција са које се може утицати.
Видим да у ПТО тиму има играча који поседују довољно интелигенције за неке озбиљније акције, могли сте на тотално другачији начин да промените смер кретања УК (што се савеза итд.) тиче јер тамо нема неких емотивних баљезгарија као што има код нас већ суви прагматизам. Овако смо брендирани као непријатељ за вјек вјеков.
A i zasto smo sada mi u UK na tapetu?
Sta je bilo kad su srbi otisli u Japan,na Tajland,u UAE, na Novi Zeland?
Sta ako nasa zajednica iz Belgije dodje na vlast?Sta onda?
Jel ce ovoliko da bude pucanja i po njima ili samo mi smetamo u UK?
Jel neko ima veliki interes kod UK pa mi smetamo?
Овде је свако на тапету, фазон је што је у најмање 30% тих ПТО акција кренуто у фазону, правимо нову домовину интегрисаћемо се међу домаћине, Србијо довиђења, а онда, ево нпр. у Јапану дође онај полуписмени бандераш доркс и направи ''Странку Константинове гарде'' лол
Исто тако и овде имате 2 Енглеза и 50 Срба и не радите ПТО...ајд
Our community has taken a turn for the worse thanks to this PTO sad to say.
Ne mozes da napravis novu domovinu ako imas 1000 ljudi druge te nacije to je nemoguce.
A i sta ce biti kada moox uspe?Jel cemo i njega ovako da pljujemo,a?
And Massacar what did we do so bad?Did we steal,burn,destroy?
All we did was drive that dumbass Keers out,and I think that is a good thing.
Mi smo oznaceni kao neprijatelji od kada smo dosli.
Od kada smo ClairV0yance i ja dosli u UK i mene pustili ljudi da udjem u kongres iz sprdnje smo oznaceni kao neprijatelji,Sotone,zlikovci,olosi.
govorili smo im da smo dosli da se sprdamo sto u prvi mah i jesmo i da se zezamo pljuvali su nas i nisu stali.
Kada je Britanska stranka koja je jedina bila u opoziciji (koja nas je pustila unutra) stranka krenula da raste i da bude ozbiljniji protivnik TO-ovali su nam stranku i postavili svog PPa.
napravili smo novu i jos vise ljudi nam je prislo bas zbog toga.
Nista od ovoga mozda ne bi bilo da su bili malo prijateljskije raspolozeniji a ne terali nas i ponizavali ACroc,Keers,Farhan i kompanija
Британску странку тј. ону Нова Ера или каковећ је држао Дапер који је ту само због ЦП медаљице и генерално моћи коју би могао да ужива. Клервојанс и ти сте се зајебали одмах у старту јер нисте контактирали праве људе и укључили се у рад неких других странака већ сте се одмах у старту сврстали са ликовима које 95% њихове заједнице рачуна као мултијаше, читере и генерално шљам.
А и први потез је био улетање у конгрес, исто тако би прошли и на неком другом месту, да не спомињем само време кад сте одлучили да идете тамо, баш кад је било најкритичније у смислу кад је крв кључала и са наше и са њихове стране током и после оног прераспоређивања по савезима и почетног паљевинског одмеравања снага. Ја Кирса не волим превише, Фархан је ту и тамо, у сваком случају уз мало више такта је могло много више да се постигне, сад јбг.
Brate zvali smo sve kongresmene da pitamo za CS odgovorili su nam daper i Sven i to je to.Nijedan drugi nije hteo ni da pogleda nasu poruku a zamolili smo ih lepo.
Zasto bih se gurao kod onoga ko me ne zeli?Idem kod onoga ko me zeli i hoce da mu budem prijatelj.Zao mi je tako je.
A UK je ionako 60% multija.
Pa kako bre TUP je u prethodnim mesecima imao preko 230 clanova,na PP izborima ima max 80 a na kongresnim ima preko 250.Pa tu nisu cista posla ako mene pitas.
Ali sami su udruzili deo UK sa svojim ATO pokusajima i TOovanju politickih protivnika.
neka puste da vide sta ce da se desi,zasto smo mi toliko losi a da jos nista nismo uradil.
Mozda se plase da smo bolji od njih
Ne mozete da uporedite Muksa u eBiH i ostale likove po eRep-banana drzavama..
Dva razlicita pojma.
Bosancerosi su ionako mislili sve najgore o nama i sad dal ce da ih ptouje muks zaista nema nikakve veze i nece nesto uticati na igracku zajednicu eBiH..
S druge strane taj eUK nam je dugo bio saveznik i dosta igraca tamo je bilo za to da se svrstaju uz eSrbiju..
Da li su Hrvati, kad je Grcka usla u savez sa Srbijom a ne sa njima, krenuli da ptouju Grcku?
Ne..
Nego su isli na finjaka.. Mi smo braca, udarali smo zajedno trte mrte.. I sad imas teroriste..
A vi u UK uletite u PTO i sad 99% Britanaca apsolutno podrzava pozicije svoje drzave i definitino ne voli vise eSrbiju i eSrbe.. A da ste postupili drugacije moglo se lako desiti da kroz neki period vremena njihova igracka zajednica prevagne na stranu eSrbije..
Mislim da i ti kapiras o cemu se ovde radi samo sto se pravis blesav.
o/
E ono kad se ti nadjes da komentarises...a onda se nadje i olos hostilijan koji ne sme da mi odgovori ni na jedno pitanje hahahah kakva ekipa
E Hosti indijancu cisto ako vidis da znas da ti je enormno glup clanak hahahah
Po komentarima dole ja vidim da svi Britanci i dalje vole Srb...nesto mi to sto pisu ne lici da je tacno u realnosti
Uostalom apsolutno me briga sta ti,Olostilijan ili bilo ko drugi misli o meni ili o onome sto ja i ljudi koji su samnom rade
tako da se necu upustati u dalju konverzaciju
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Very very true, I was pro Serbia and wrote a huge article about it when we moved to Sirius.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2374604/1/20
But what has happened to my opinion since these PTO'ers came do you think?
That's right I am now heavily Pro Sirius and campaigning for us to remain so against the will of the PTO'ers.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/referendum-why-staying-in-sirius-is-a-must-2414225/1/20
The few crazies in the eUK that the PTO'ers are helping are all former traitors who have multied, stolen and continuously attacked everyone else for years now.
When we were in TWO they hated Serbia, They were pro CoT, they are only now 'pro' Serbian because they know that some will come and help them get power.
Please read about their history here:
http://www.tinyurl.com/howitcametothis
And thank you to the Serbians who are speaking honestly about this, We may be in different alliances but it is nice to know that honour still exists in Serbia and these PTO'ers are not the same as all Serbs.
Exactly my point. I remember that article. For instance I think Serbia could have accomplished a lot more with more tact and patience. I don't think UK would be swayed right away or anything similar, but instead we wouldn't have a openly hostile country and in some future ''dealing of cards'' Serbia and UK could once again be allied or at least keep friendly and cordial relations with one another.
Well many eUK'ers continued not to fight against Serbia even though we stayed with Poland.
These guys are counter productive, You can't force an alliance, that isn't how alliances work. That's how a puppet state works and citizens of puppet states rise up and resent being forced.
I was fond of Serbia, right up until it seemed like every other Serbian who came to the UK was intent to ruin our country. I'd love for things to return to a friendly balance, but that's not going to happen until these PTOers leave.
The primary issue here is that nobody knows what we're planning aside from us. That rule applies to the Serbs outside the UK as much as it does to the Brits. As far as I'm concerned, we've achieved what we came here to do; we have a president that is not anti-Serbian and who will host a referendum on Sirius membership. Whilst I doubt it will pass, the aim here is that the question was at least asked. If I personally see any attempts to turn this 'mission' of ours into an outright takeover, I will not continue to participate. Sure, the idea that we're importing voters to put another party in power may be frowned upon, but the dominant party (at least it used to be) has been doing the same with Polish voters for much longer, and has had their recent presidential candidate banned for administering multiple accounts. These people can play the righteous man all they want, but they're the same 'trash' they like to accuse their opposition of being.
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It's nice to be considered trash because I don't want to be run by Serbs!
It is the elites like BigAnt that are the problem - believing they alone should decide what happens and then import anyone they like to achieve their aims. I have never been CP or even in congress BA is now 4 times CP in just over 2 year.
voted, an alliance switch is natural and is not a reason for a PTO.
Ima i nas koji igramo za UK. 😉
Svi igramo za UK 🙂
Word.
Poprilicno si se prokenjao ovde Srecko. Prvo, bio ovo PTO ili ne (mi smatramo da nije, vi mislite drugacije), Srbija nema veze sa tim. To sto smo mi igraci koji su iz Srbije ne znaci da samo u UK kako bi radili u interesu Srbije ili po njenom naredjenju. Tamo smo jer mi tako zelimo a ne da bi postali srpska kolonija.
Nesto se ne secam ovakvih dramaticnih clanaka kada se vrsio PTO USA, kada je uzeto 35% kongresa tamo Cipelici su slavljeni kao heroji. Zasto je PTO u Japanu ili Tajlandu ili UAE jedno a nase prisustvo u UK drugo?
Voleo si UK, imao dobre odnose sa nekim njihovim igracima, sve je to lepo, i ja sam jednom. Sada se medjutim vremena menjaju, i Cile nam je bio prijatelj ali ih to nije sprecilo da nam slete u Beograd, zar ne? Nemoj da mislis da Keers i ostali stanovnici poljskih bulja ne bi pristali da urade do isto da su ih pitali.
Ali u svakom slucaju, to nije poenta. Niko nije ovde da bi PTOao UK ili krao pare ili donosio lose zakone. Priznacu ti samo da su mozda neki dosli zbog potencijalnih kongresnih medalja, njih ima sigurno, ali niko nije ovde sa ciljem da pljacka ili unisti drzavu.
Sad sam ustao, izvinjavam se za blazu nepismenost : p
Tajland i UAE nemaju lokalno stanovnistvo ili imaju 2 i po coveka. Ne bih rekao da je tamo PTO odgovarajuci termin.
Ја сам био и против тог ПТО-а УСА. Исто тако сам и против ПТО-а у Јапану, а Тајланд је друга прича искључиво зато што тамо више нико осим наших и не игра. УАЕ и да не залазим, бин Зајед сасвим сигурно не игра ову игрицу.
Неки су дошли због конгресних медаља океј, али који је циљ осим тога? Ја баш и не видим сврху тог ПТО-а, ајде тај амерички и да кажемо да је могао да има неку сврху да се осакати прилично моћан (у то време) непријатељ, али ово са Британијом је чисто иживљавање и пишање њима у фацу, нису тамо сви Кирс и не знам ко још.
Naravno da nisu, upravo ti koji i nisu kao on su nas pozvali da im pomognemo : ).
Vidju UeSZR saradnje 🙂 Milina 🙂
Apsolutno si u pravu. Kao sto i ja reko', PTO moze samo da ih otera zauvek od Srbije, a sigurno ih nece ubediti kako bi trebalo da predju u Asteriju.
If you really want to PTO somebody, go to a big country and show your wits. UK is a pretty easy target and thus a dishonourable one.
True story. o7
Ne znam šta se vi stranci miješate u unutrašnje britanske stvari.
Sve vas voli englez ClairV0yance
This.
Voted, very good article. Will always be fond of Serbia, we've had some great memories in this game.
Very pleased to read this. I have much friends in eSerbia and in Serbia RL and I love the nation, however I followed the choice of eUK into Sirius (it is a game).
This article shows why loving so many Serbs is a correct. Well written article, with good explanation about facts, it is tactical & diplomatic and it gives a firm opinion. o7
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Glad to hear there are some of the honorable Serbians still around. Voted
UK will need to make the lines of your friends and enemies much sharper for an ally ATO maneuver I think... I hope you guys are able to pull it through before internal damage is done.
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Votado
Very nice read. As I have just left my second small country that was under PTO (Belgium and UK), I completely agree with what you say here.
DIO DIO DIO
I don't think the current PTO in eUK is anything really to do with any alliance. It is certain individuals Targeting the "old TUP order" and using Serbian mercenaries to do this. Or at least that is my view of this from what I have seen. There may be alliance related consequences that I am unaware of but let us not forget that the root cause is in fact someone who could not get into power sinking to the lowest depths to get what he wants. Just like a child throwing a tantrum!
It's not, it's f-in' retarded and annoying to everyone
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good article, my full support. we are playing game here. ruining fun for others with pto is not making any good to anyone.
Smatram autora clanka za jednu najobicniju zadriglu seljacinu ali je u ovom clanku potpuno u pravu.
Vote.