[CP]Week 3, The Current Situation
eBelgian Presidency
Dear eBelgians,
The last several days has seen a flurry of media activity in eBelgium, brought to a head by this article by Lorcema. While we understand that he was attempting to answer questions many people were asking, we had hoped to wait until after Congress elections to tell what was going on. There were two primary reasons for this:
1) There was a concern that telling too much too soon would lead to a move by some elements of the eBelgian community to undermine our efforts.
2) We had informants who we wanted to protect as long as possible so they would still have access to information we needed.
The concern about protecting people has been partially removed by recent articles by Jofroi and by Cika Nikola96. There are counter-arguments, of course, but most of the information we have has been confirmed by other sources. There is too much to publish in this one article, but we will be trying to give you more over the next few days.
Since I started tracking the use of citizenship passes in June, 71 of a possible 120 passes have been used. Of these, 69% received prior approval from the immigration officer. All 18 accepted by Res Belgica and 6 accepted by Union-Unie were approved. In The Belgian Dream, 12 of 13, and in All Togethers, 9 of 10, were approved. The two not approved would have been, as they were both returning citizens, but they were accepted prematurely. However, only 23% of the 13 accepted by HOPE were approved by the IO, and only 11% of the 11 accepted by PANDA were.
Genealogy of a PTO
This is the chain of citizenship acceptances from the time we first became aware of the entrance of known PTOers in May. Please note that all of these were admitted either against the advice of the Immigration Officer or without waiting for a decision from the Immigration Officer.
I. Manneken Piss (Aries Sun) accepted
I.A. ChristijanXD, 22 May 2013, accepted
I.A.1. Suomii, 26 May 2013
I.A.2. Drajver se vraca, 26 Jun 2013
I.A.3. astrozec, 26 Jul 2013, accepted
I.A.3.a. pevec2, 26 Aug 2013
II. BaraBum accepted
II.A. Marko Klis, 23 May 2013, accepted
II. A.1. Boris the Communist, 26 May 2013
II.A.2. Woxczbg, 27 Jun 2013
II.A.3. Mr. Vecik, 3 Sep 2013
III. Lioncoeur accepted
III.A. vladut georgel, 23 May 2013, accepted
III.A.1. Виктор Коколанс - subsequently banned for multis
III.A.2. kleptoman 1950, 1 Jul 2013
III.A.3. bNeo, 29 Aug 2013
IV. G.W.JUNIOR, accepted
IV.A. Branko C, 16 Jun 2013
IV.B. Suomii, 26 Jun 2013
V. Joep Hoep, accepted
V.A. Cika Nikola96, 22 Jun 2013
VI. shadowukcs, accepted
VI.A. Carl Johansen, 26 Jun 2013
VII. Vincent Pain, accepted
VII.A. Karl Fanderfeldt, 26 Jun 2013
VII.B. Texas Cowboy X, 1 Sep 2013, accepted
VII.B.1. Luigi BC, 12 Oct 2013
VIII. lin0leum, accepted
VIII.A. lord Lukausus, 20 Jul 2013, accepted
VIII.A.1. pen zi one r, accepted
VIII.A.1.a. Christijan, 16 Oct 2013
VIII.A.2. Nick Nolte 2, 15 Oct 2013
IX. Arnie007, accepted
IX.A. Shadowukcs, 30 Aug 2013
X. bamber, accepted
X.A. jovanica011, 5 Sep 2013
XI. Ellen R, accepted
XI.A. Thorin II Oakenshield, 4 Sep 2013
XII SwiftTueur, accepted
XII.A. J35000, 18 Oct 2013
NOTE: This CM was elected from HOPE, but moved to Belgian Communist party. Upon his illegal acceptance of J35000, his new party president, djole123, contacted me and stated he did not approve and had counseled SwiftTueur about following immigration procedures. This entry is only included for completeness.
All of the information about citizenship acceptances is publicly on the country pages of this game.
So, what does a country do when a PTO threat is identified? This article by the well known eSwiss leader, Rican, outlines many of the procedures already tried here. Especially note the suggestion to split the money among several trusted citizens, which was done two months ago by JdlF and which got exactly the reactions predicted. Note also this comment on the article, from Lady Ita of eMexico:
“Include:
- Mass report of multiaccounts, you can find them in parties and MUs, in egov or using Who's online tool (this one is very useful to report multis during elections)
- Don't let a PTOed party arrive to top 5 before congress elections. Distribute all your citizens in other parties to avoid it.
- If you fail in last advice, better make your contry be wiped during next congress elections.”
Having tried all of the previous suggestions, with varying degrees of success over a period of months, a select group of trusted eBelgians chose the final option. I won’t tell all the names of that group here, but would welcome their revealing themselves if they have not done so already. A wipe had been discussed for several months, and that was not unknown to the public, but when we received information that a larger influx of PTO friends was planned, it was agreed that we could not afford to have another Congress. We contacted the government of ePoland, who were extremely helpful in agreeing to the war we proposed and also that they would hold our regions only as long as our government wished them to do so. We are very grateful for their help. CoT was also informed of this, as was shown in Lorcema’s article.
I am sorry that many of you feel communication was not what it should have been. I can only say that all who were involved in this made the decisions we did in order to protect our eCountry, knowing that it could turn against us, but believing that the interest of the country was higher than our own interest. Ultimately, I take responsibility for this, as I always planned to do from the moment I decided to run for CP. Time will tell whether we were correct.
There will continue to be more information about who the PTOers are, with evidence that has been gathered over time, but this lays out the essentials of what has happened.
MaryamQ
CP of eBelgium
Comments
Voted, I think many citizens will be happy to read an official statement on the situation.
Voted for the truth !
We can maybe say that It's a thin line between a real PTO threat and a try to maintain a dictatorship.
Not that I think eBelgium is like that.
So far I have noticed that no matter what's your origin or your method of getting into the country, eBelgians will give you the chance to prove yourself. That is something to respect.
Voted !
I'm glad I could help.
I just hope that we did the best thing, also, you forgot to write, that Goverment is making Black List of PTOers that will be visible in all GOV newspapers.
You did good. only communication was poor. And the treasury.
Finally a CP that made that unpopular step! Well done, MaryamQ. You were, you are, and I am sure you will always be the best!
/me gives MaryamQ a huuuuuuuge hug
Good luck Maryam, i know it's hard to take this decision, but you need it. Thanks
Just know I will be standing beside you along with others, you made a hard choice, but Belgium needs it ❤
Miau!
frrrrrrrrrrrrr
Nice info, well done! It's time to kick some asses!
v
I will always work and fight for the good of eBelgium
Well done ma'am president
Voted!
Very unpopular measure, but it had to be done. I didn't know what was going on but I support this. I support any kind of action against the possible PTO.
Hail to MaryamQ for taking this responsibility!
Oh lol, I'm identified as PTO'r. Yet I'm the oldest eBelgian around. I guess this how the Native americans feel when they see white people yell "go back to your own country" to black people.
If you read what is said, nobody is specifically identified as a PTOer. The people named either used citizenship passes without approval by immigration or were admitted without approval. You fall into both categories.
You should add pieter to the list then too. He invited me without approval as well. But I guess that lies too sensitive to add someone like him to that list. ... Double standards 'n such.
oh and you're wrong. This article may not specifically suggest I'm a PTO'er, it does strongly suggest it. this while I have never invited someone in years or even participated in anything other than voicing my opinion.
Look again at the dates involved. Pieter did that many many months ago. And yes, look again. You did, in fact, admit someone without approval of the IO in the time period under discussion. I don't say that person is a PTOer; I was told by someone who knows him that he probably is not. However, it would be unfair to list only some of the illegal entries and not others.
keep us informed !
What is a PTO ??
As I said, it's not the measure that I feel unpopular (or that I disagree with), it's the way it has been done. I do not agree with the reasons to hide it to the population before doing it, they are less important than democracy.
Being wiped for several months has such an important impact in a citizen's life, that everyone needed to know your plans before voting for the Presidency. I'm sorry, but that's a matter of democracy. People voted for you without knowing what to expect. That's what I'm pissed about. And no matter the threat is real or not, no matter it's a good or a bad solution... that point of misinformation for such an important matter is a backstabbing for the voters in the last Presidency. That's how I feel.
And "who" will decide of the end of this wipe is still not clear. The actual group at the head of the state, that will "keep the keys of the gates" because they're self-proclaimed the true defendant of eBelgium ? Or each monthly President, no matter its opinions ? How was handled this point with Poland ?
That point is still not clear and seems mighty important. That's also a matter of democracy.
The agreement with Poland is that the CP will decide.
I'm really sorry you are upset by this; however, it is a matter of being realistic about the political situation. I do realize that there may be different points ov view about what is good for the country, but I truly doubt that you can find any country in either the real world or the eWorld where the government has been totally transparent when it believed the country was under threat. That is simple reality. When you are defending against either a real or a perceived threat, you do not lower your guard and broadcast your next move before striking.
Maryam, the importance of the consequences and the fact you already had it in mind before the elections (different situation from an unpopular decision striking up in a middle of a presidency) won't change my point of view.
And furthermore, I feel it could have been done with good informations towards the populations. Never forget that all non-governmental players are not part of the PTO, and you could have found as much help in the ePolish fights as threats. Instead, you converted nice citizens against you because they feel tricked when they had to vote. And that feeling might have influences on next elections. I really don't think this point was well-thought and it wasn't the best move.
(and I won't deal with "reality" as it is so different)
This also applies in a game; however, Jeiry. If you are playing chess, you don't tell your opponent what your strategy is. If you are playing football, you don't stop in the middle and tell both teams "wait, I'm going to make a shot from this distance and this angle" even assuming that you have complete control of the situation. If you do that, then you guarantee that you will be blocked. Nevertheless, you are free to make what judgments you will about this. I am satisfied that what was done for the benefit of our country, and the move was made with full knowledge that I could be burned politically. If that happens, so be it. I will leave knowing I did my best to help my eCountry.
[removed]