IA PP affraid of political transparency?
Locutus
Earlier today a read a post on the eSA national forums. It was several questions from a concerned member of Independent Alternative, eSA´s largest political party. Here´s what was questione😛
What happened to IA?
I'm a bit confused lately. I see articles going up and our PP reply to it without even consulting the members of IA. What bothers me most is that its an everyone for himself sort of situation in IA. Even the articles going up defending IA is like piddling in a chamber pot. Not worth anything really as no one other than the author had any knowledge beforehand of what he is going to write. Most of the articles being posted, read about the same, not a lot of variation from one author to another and it has been noticed by some of the other parties.
When last have our PP looked at our mission statement? We stand for most of what the DB-PF stand for, maybe not in the same way, yet our PP say he can't agree with it?
What happened to the interaction between our members? I know that I have been relatively inactive, but I have rl problems almost everyone knows about, but the rest of our members and our PP? Where are you, whats happening in the party, is it still worth it to be here in IA or have we become so stagnant that we could just as well close the doors? The only communication I really see happening here is when there is an election on its way, oh, and for a while there was the drive to get more people in the party. Just to keep on saying we are the biggest party? Maybe, but have you taken some time and thought on our activity? We are not the most active party around any more, I think we are the most inactive party on the eSA map, but claims made state otherwise.
We have a channel or room on IRC and it is a little busy there when we have an election, the rest of the time it is relatively quiet. The last time I was there, I was so disgusted in what I found there, I would not go there anymore, and it has also opened my eyes to something that I thought I would not expect from members of IA. Players in that room or channel were organizing the start of the campaigns for the regions that we had to get back before the election. As you know the start of a campaign need 10 player to support the start and if you win, each of those 10 get 5 gold, but that was not all, they even organized who is going to go for each battle's Battle Hero. None of us who was not in the room that night really stood a chance of winning anything but for the few people in that room. Prominent members of IA took part that evening and I was totally disgusted. Yes, I did try for Battle Hero that night but was informed that someone in that room was also going for it, so I lost the BH. I would have gladly accepted losing to this person, if it was not for the fact of what was said to me that night.
Does something like that makes you feel welcome? I don't think so. Maybe I have become to old for IA. There are too many young players here who have their own way of doing things without considering other team members. Its not my way of doing things.
Either we stand as one or we don't stand at all.
And here´s what IA´s party president, Mad Johnson, answere😛
I will speak to you offline NN as this is NOT the place to discuss something like this.
Thank you
Reflections
Now, there´s a whole lot in this I find questionable. Why do IA get to decide who is going to start what RW and who is going to get the BH of any given battle? I find this outrageous! But this is not what I came here to discuss, I´m sure the people of eSA will let IA know how they feel about this come election day.
Transparency in IA?
So, what happened to the thread you ask? Well, apparently the concerned citizen stepped on someones toes as the thread was DELETED!? What´s up with that? Is Mad Johnson so affraid of transparency in his party that he feels the need to cencure his own members? Is this the kind of thing we want for eSA today? There´s a whole lot of other political parties in eSA if you feel this is a bit too much for you, just so you know.
/The Warden
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I have similar sentimant to Nickerball even though i am not in IA as im an eBR Citizen but still offer my advise to the party as a long standing member.
Transparency is key, especially to your members or if called out in public by a member or opposition party.
@Locutus, I don't think you should make the assumption that IA is organising RW's. Rather take it as a case of certain IA members who discussed the RW in the IA chatroom. Don't get me wrong, it certainly seems like it. If so, i would be utterly disgusted. I do feel however more research should be done and names be brought to the front so we can get it cleared up or start a wall of Name of Shame!
@Grim: I don´t assume IA is organising RW´s, but I do however assume the current IA PP was part of it as he decided to delete the thread. I guess he´s ashamed. I know I would be.
Part 1: If you copy the part you are interested in, should also reflect the rest of the thread. Take part on it or leave it, but please don't filter what you want to the ones who can't see the rest.
Part 2: Reflections. That's sad. Some players where on irc and acted so. Most of IA we had no idea and we are against that. Don't blame the party for a non transparent action of a few.
Part 3: If you weren't in a hurry for turning that into some elections results, you would have wait for responses. If you read the thread now, IA is the most transparent of all eSA parties: Is the only treating deep themes in an open forum.
Voted hard!
Throws out accusation without proof, you are not the first to bring this up, liquidice brought this up, but didnt target the IA specifically.(http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/bh-rant-2071316/1/20)
Did the print screen function escape you? or do you just like to stir up the pot the day before congress elections, as Grim rightly says Name and Shame them.
It's a shame the thread was moved or deleted.
I don't think organizing or planning RW's is wrong actually, nor do I think planning BH's is wrong. Just don't whine about it when someone messes with said planning.
I hope IA as an entity sorts out their problems, the author of this post made some very valid points.
@kuckuck: I copied the whole thread but I left out the UP answers. I left nothing of the first post from NN out, I even have a screen print to prove it! If there was additional posts in the thread I missed it as it is now DELETED!
It i sad! I´m not blaiming the party, I´m just pointing out that this is not the right way to go, you should never try to cover up something like this. Talk to your PP.
I don´t care about eSA election results, I just want people to know what they support when they support IA.
@Rico, agreed
But......
If it's the case, I do believe that organising or planning RW's from a party perspective is unethical. That should lay the responsibility of the government: Namely the CP, MoD and National Military.
As for BH's I also believe that should be done between individuals but a Party's name should not be brought into it. They are fighting as individuals or MU Soldiers but not for the Party itself.,
is there anywhere we can see what you have copied?
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb322/LocutusSwe/IACover.jpg
It's not been deleted - it is here: http://forums.erepubliksa.com/ia-general/what-happened-to-ia, it was simply moved to the correct spot so that we could have a fruitful discussion without all the unnecessary trolling from other parties who have no interest in the IA. Our PP has been completely transparent with members and it's in a place where all IA members can take part in the discussion.
I don't understand why IA party politics concern you so much...it has nothing to do with you.
And why you care what happening in IA?
And you even took a screenshot! You are like a vulture!
You actually sat there and thought - oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...this looks good for a party that I am not involved in, wasted your time to write an article and even went as far as taking screenshots just to prove your point. Wtf!!!
Again, I´m not concerned with IA politricks, I´m concerned with the need to keep this within the party as I believe it involves the whole of eSA and it also involves someone we both respect.
I'm surprised you can even spell respect Locutus.
The thread was moved to IA, where it should have started.
You heard the beginning of the conversation,but failed to get the end or the middle for that matter, so basically you don't know what you are talking about.
The issues were addressed and resolved, guess you missed that too
@Locutus: To bring a discussion to a place (press) when is still cooking in the original pot (forum) is an easy formula of making people unhappy.
I'm gonna break my golden rule for a day and I'm gona publish the rest of the thread without permission of the parts (I think you should have asked it to Nickerball)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0ptw0mvd2afssqy/W-x12O71Yg
I believe the author of this article hit home!
IA, the dictators of eSA politics? If the author of the original post thought this is something that should be discussed in public who are you to say it´s not? I´m concerned what elese is beeing covered up behind closed IA doors!
Whatever dude, believe what you like
haha this is exactly how real life media works. 80% of this article is made of assumptions and/or exaggerations.
Oh my gosh, so now it has reached the open field of eRep. This is so wrong. It was still ok while it was only in eSA, but to bring it out here? Not good at all.
MadJo had nothing to do with the RW and the IA room, but because it happened in a IA domain, I brought it up.
We at IA are not scared to bring things out in the open, but sometimes its better not to say just anything for everyone to see, and that was my mistake. I did not remember that part of our party boards are now open for all
If I remembered that, I would have chosen my wording more carefully, but the body would have still be the same.
I have never been afraid to say what I feel, and sometimes it has cost me a lot. I know I have caused some people to feel that I'm not really behind IA as I was before, but believe me I'm still the same old Nicksers, fighting as hard as ever for her party and specially for her country. Loyal to both as ever. I've been known to speak my mind if I don't like something.
Whatever this brought up and whatever the outcome I'm sure you should all thank Nickers for speaking her mind. It has strengthened you.
For one, she has shown us where some of weaknesses lie...
@Locutus: Even if we mean the same we don't use the same words for posting, writing a comment, writing an article, sending a pm, etc. If you change things from place can sound different, even more when you skip the other points of view in the thread.
Just to resume, I don't approve publishing ingame things that were not meant to be so, unless is general interest (like president Z robbed X funds from government). On the other side, nothing to hide, you have there the link to the document
I'm honored to be name-dropped in private forum! 🙂
I'm glad I didn't visit IA, seems like a lost cause to me nowadays...
Mulder called me an @sshole...that's not very nice ;_;
They be jealous of UP, also thanks Kuckuck for the links
Kudos to kuckuck for beeing a grown up about this, there might be hope for IA still.
@DTM: But you are an @sshole so he wasn´t lying.
Lol @ Locutus
It's true, DTM is an A-hole, but we still keep him around for his drunken-ness
Thanks, Grim!
@NRL: That´s why we keep him around the DB HQ aswell, he tend to do funny stuff with the farm animals when he´s drunk.
IA is for noobs nuff said
My only response:
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I AM an a-hole, I just don't want to hear it from the whole country 😛
I love how this has gone from: "IA SUCKS" to "DTM is a drunk A-Hole!"
Well, IA sucks and DTM is a drunk A-hole, the truth is in both the article and in the comments.
I agree, DTM. If you ever want to hear that you´re an A-hole, just drop by the DB forums, we´ll sort you out!
What's that Ten? A guy juggling pyramids?
I believe it´s a guy masterbating under a fallen card house.
It's actually Link from Legend of Zelda holding up the triforce
HEY! (Navi voice)
So this has denigrated to IA are drunken a-holes and Tenshibo likes to suck on DTM's nuts? Oh wait, did I get that backwards?
The Triforce is what I affectionately call my genitals BTW.
Coincidence?!?!?