The Point Of No Return
Kara Zor El
gnilraps
He's a great guy, right? Very popular, well known, trusted, and what not? That's what I thought too. We were friends. He was my assistant in Media when I ran Grab Bags for the Feds. I was his VPP for his first 2 consecutive terms as PP. I advised him and he trusted my judgement in party matters. At one time, he was very appreciative for some mistakes I prevented him from making which would tarnish his reputation as PP. I was there to fill in the gap when he went AWOL his second term. I was a true example of what a VPP should be. Now, it's just a meaningless title. Later, I was asked to work with him in WHPR to raise money for DoI. I did this with great success and trust was once again expressed by allowing me to handle thousands of dollars. This begs the question, "Where did all that trust and appreciation go when I needed it most?". I haven't changed. He did, no doubt influenced by the FINO's (Feds in name only). Don't worry. I'll describe them later. They know who they are.
Let's go back to the point I was in the leadership room in IRC. I had just decided to leave the party and EZC. I pinged both havocpwn and Jacksondr5 to inform them. I knew Jackson would take great pleasure in removing my access in the forum, so I gave him first crack at it. I knew that he would take away my admin, EZC, member, and voting rights. This is what is meant by access. I could have used this access to really screw the party and shut down the forum. Like I said, I was trusted, and for good reason. I just wouldn't do that. I did the right thing.
Next thing I know, my whole account was deleted by gnilraps. There is no trace of me left in the forum. All my posts are guest now and my post count is gone. To do this, you must go to the admin panel and find where it allows you to do this. It clearly states right there that such an action cannot be reversed or restored. You have no idea how much time I spent in there posting, modding, archiving, etc. I may have left the party, but my legacy and impact had its place there for all to see. This was a cruel act by an ignorant person with no regard for my feelings whatsoever.
It was just after this very moment of discovery, that freckledick chose to confront me in IRC. What do you think is going to happen? And no. I'm not sorry for blowing up at someone admittingly trying to bait me. How about your forum account gets deleted or something you value is taken away with no chance to get it back? What are you going to say to the next person who is deliberately trying to piss you off?
I did receive an apology. You should have seen how disingenuous it was. He told me it was an honest mistake based on my request to be deleted. Really, dude? Who has ever had their account deleted ever in the forum? I'll tell you! No one! I didn't even deserve a ban. It was not his place to mess with my access in any way. There are 2 forum admins assigned those duties and one was on IRC. I specifically asked JacksonDr5. This is where people in leadership need to know their place. There was no great hurry to change my access. I was no threat. But, quick as you can snap your fingers, gnilraps was all over that, ready to delete my whole account. The not so funny thing is that he has always shied away from doing anything admin related in the forums except for Useful Links. I smell a rat.
Tell me for real. How would you feel if you are heavily invested in your forum activity and you get deleted? Anyone new who comes along will never know the impact you have made? I have been told this is just a game and to let it go. Tell me, are all the hours I spent typing at my PC not RL time invested? This may be a game, but RL is affected. Now it's all down the drain. There is only one solution to make this right. Delete his account and make him start over. We all know that won't happen.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBYoarsGLXc
I will not argue your point. Your account should not have been deleted. But you are allowing your anger to assign traits to Gnilraps that he does not deserve. If it was anyone else I would believe it was done with malicious intent. But Gnilraps has almost always defended you and he was genuinely sorry he did what he did. Hopefully one day you will be able to see that.
Feds to Kara: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBH97ma9YiI
Kara to Feds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvOb0-Chfwc
boomerang!
I've had it happen to me on forums related to nationstates, get in an disagreement with the forum admin, and boom your account is either deleted or he takes it over and creates a fake conspiracy with your account.
Kara,
Once again, I deeply regret that I deleted your forum account.
I was wrong to have done that.
The reason I did it was a total misunderstanding of something you said that got posted in the forum.
After learning that I had misinterpreted your wishes, I immediately :facepalme😛 and came to you with my regrets.
I am aware of the magnitude of my error. I am tuned in to the despair (I am proud of many of my posts too and if they suddenly got disassociated with me it would suck).
I am not saying anything new here, I know, but since you have brought public my error, I will bring public my apology.
The worst outcome of this ordeal is a tarnished relationship of two friends....I sincerely hope that you and Gnilraps can reconcile. You both seem to be 'First Class' people!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPcyTyilmYY
Messy breakup is messy. Hell hath no fury.....
Actually KaraBeth,
I was deleted... Same event with MS and QBert. I am still very upset that none of the other FEDs did not step in and correct the wrong doing that was done at that time. I was a HUGE Ez Co benefactor and was also trusted in certain areas of the party. When my account was deleted based on MS and Qubert's lies, and nobody actually asked me what happened but a few close friends... It was not what I expected from the FED party.
@Gnilraps
That was a much better apology than the load of crap you fed me the other day. There is nothing worse than an apology accompanied by justifications. Unfortunately, I cannot delete this article. It explains my side of the story to those who are interested. After what you did, a little bad press is appropriate penance. Take it like a man.
Qubert also had his account deleted last year, after he gave SEES a Fed org that held 40 gold and some other Fed stuff. SEES tried to hold the party hostage or something stupid like that as a result.
@Dracona
Are you sure you weren't just banned? Idk, I didn't have that kind of access at the time to do anything about it. I just remember MS misinterpreting a contract you made and screwing you over. To say nothing was done about it is wrong. He was forced out of EZC and cried about it for weeks in IRC, being the EZC founder and all.
@Angelini
You are right. I am not the only one after all. Qubert deserved it though, if what he is accused of is true. He still maintains that he is innocent.
Kara Beth...
You are calling out some of my major adversaries, yet you hate me too? Makes no sense.
You all are in for a rare treat. For once I will not use any sarcasm or pun to make my point. I will also be direct to that point. (As much as possible, that is.)
Kara Beth was, and is yet, a respected and valued member of this community. A community that stretches beyond party affiliation. I'm sure she'd be happy right now to assail us with a list of her many achievements and honors, but she hasn't. I count that to her credit, a lesser person would wish to 'prove' their worth. She has merely stated her case to the public in an upfront and direct manner.
As to whether you agree with her point of view or not, is not at question. This should not be a witch hunt to ferret out 'evil' persons, but must be taken to heart as an important lesson to all. We are individuals come together for one purpose, to play a damned game. To be enjoyed, despised or eventually shunned is up to the individual and their experience here. The question is simply where's the fun? I would not enjoy being here if not for the people. Let us learn from this unfortunate occurrence and move on.
RP your @$$'s off as you like, but at the end of the day remember this: If we can't have fun playing together, what is it truly worth?
(People who simply can't get what I'm saying may now stroke their ePein's to show how 'big' they are to everyone.)
I'd vote that 😁 but I can't
I remember when I used to be a Federalist, doesn't look like much has changed.
@Pizza
The thought actually had crossed my mind that we currently share some adversaries. This does not suddenly make us allies. The reason I distance myself from you is to maintain credibility. I would never want to be associated with someone of your reputation, deserved or not.
@Thedillpickle
Sorry to disappoint you. You haven't seen the next part yet. It is necessary to establish some of what I have done to provide context.
@KB, read the next part, haven't changed my mind yet!
Kara,
By bringing my Real Life last name into your article, a piece of information that was entrusted to you, you put me and my family at real life risk.
In my opinion you have crossed the line of excessively bad judgment by doing this.
I can't help but hope that by doing so you have discredited yourself fully. Vindictiveness at this level beyond the pale.
@Gnilraps
You are right. That was deleted. I am sorry. You should not have pointed out it was your last name. Fine, consider me discredited. I no longer need anyone's trust or approval in this game. Feel free to make it well known what an ass I was for doing that.
I see that you wisely chose to remove my name from your article.
Please refrain from any further contact with me.
Otherwise I wish you well.
@Pizza, quit playing with your winkey and go away, this is KB expressing the injustices against her. She has every right to post an article without you interfering.
Pizza logic continues to astound me.
very stressful reading.
I can only imagine the frustration Kara Beth is feeling.
Kara Beth is a fine person and I'll always support her.
I've been banned from the forum b4 I think. Probably for inactivity or leaving the States. I happen to have a freckle on my dick BTW. 😃