Western Australia - The Fallout from the decision
CrowdedHouse
Good evening eAustralia.
The article this evening will post the decision from admins about the Western Australia battle and talk about some of the re-action from around the eRepublik world.
Before we begin I remind anyone that attempts to report this article (and there are number of citizens working to do such a thing) and moderators of eRepublik Law number 3.
3. Freedom of press is absolute
This article does not violate any section of the eRepublik Law.
---> The Decision from Admin about Western Australia
The following statement from admin was released HERE
To comment on the statement, go to the eRepublik Forums, click on community, then forum. Your message or signature of support should be in the Message to Administration section of the forum.
> The eAustralia and Allies Reaction
It's safe to say the Americans and South Africans were first to hear of the admin decision. The USA Military seem to be the most angry, after it was acknowledge by admin there was a problem, byt the result would not be changed.
The general anger in the Australian community seems to be not just that WA was not returned, but the actual headline itself of "It ain't over til the fat lady sings" - That headline and the article's comments which virtually said you won, but you didn't have left players asking why should they continue playing the game.
One player, Hillbilly Jim (a congressman) said he has had enough and will leave the game at the end of the term, while in comments Brenflakes acknowledge he was thinking the same thing.
Players such as Bass Junkie and Calbe have been screaming for a refund in their post of the eRepublik Forums.
CrowdedHouse (Me!) has already sent a new ticket to admins pointing out eRepublik Law 6.1 which stats that one cannot benefit from a system exploit (bug). In the statement admin acknowledge an exploit, which CrowdedHouse has pointed out was exploited by Indonesia (claiming WA) therefore violating Rule 6.1 - we await the outcome.
----> Phoenix Reaction
The Phoneix reaction to the news seems to be split. Though the low level soldiers of Phoenix and the nation of Indonesia are in join over retaining Western Australia, higher level players of Phoenix from Pakistan, UK and Russia have expressed concern over the decision.
Their problem with the admin's statement is it creates a "grey area" on when a battle is one. Plus the fact that admin admitted fault but would not change the result, worries them that they could be on the reverse end of it in the future. As one Phoenix field marshall hinted, "how can they plan a battle properly when they don't know when and how it's supposed to end".
> Indonesia attempt PTO on Australian Parties
With a number of the Australian population (newbies) stuck in Western Australia, Indonesia are taking the chance to PTO some of the Australian Parties.
Already MissShe (who has received donation from the previous Indonesian President) and other PTO senators have started granting a number of Indonesians Australian Citizenship.
Once such person is the Former Indonesian President Wonder Howard/Forward - You may remember an article where I pointed out that he said to Cerri (then Aussie PM) if Australia did not sign the NAP, he would invade.
He's currently running for Party President of The Greens - all Australians MUST be on the look-out for any suspicious behaviour.
> Allies to the rescue?
South Africa has just started the process of declaring WAR on Brazil. A successful battle against Brazil could see a front open against Indonesia at Western Australia.
The eWorld watches now to see what the USA will do. The American Army is angry over the admin decision and angry with Indonesia's gloating. If they finally decided to attack Indonesian home soil, things could get interesting.
Thanks for reading, and if your an Aussie trapped in WA, get in contact with me.
CrowdedHouse
Comments
FIRST!
RAGE!
ANGER!
ALSO HELP ME CATCH MORE MICE. VOTE ME FOR MHPPP!
Coming soon - editing problem
i love you. its quite alright.
Damned URL...
lol, i voted even tho it was blank, Crowded XD
FFS will this thing load!
Hooray it finally loaded!
" eRepublik Law 6.1 which stats that one cannot benefit from a system exploit (bug). In the statement admin acknowledge an exploit, which CrowdedHouse has pointed out was exploited by Indonesia (claiming WA) therefore violating Rule 6.1 - we await the outcome."
well played!
and yes, this decision affects both sides, so I don't want to hear any phoenix players whining when Heilongjiang is taken in this fashion
Cry me a river :'( Australia 😛
AWESOME DECISION
this game is a BAD JOKE . eR/admins/developers = Phoenix
Support. As I've said before, it’s not a question of “who cheated,” it’s a question of fixing a clear and obvious game bug. This goes beyond one side profiting over the other, and impacts the reliability of the system itself. If it go overtime repeatedly now, will it start doing that for every battle fought in the future? Will it start closing battles before they should finish? Will it continue to give these stupid messages along the lines of “Sorlandet was secured by Australia in the war versus Indonesia” and the like? Will it in future give the wrong region to random countries, instead of just showing the wrong message?
Who knows? No-one. That’s why this needs to be fixed, and fixed now, so the game can go on with some measure of predictability.
Remember, a game where everything can be predicted is little fun, but a game where nothing can be is worse, especially if version two needs to rest on the way the world is formed now.
"eIndonesia is poor in IRL... lol"
Kirkzzy is a member of the Department of Redundancy Department IRL 😉
na na na na na
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😁 Take that.
nice start, I wonder what are the Americans thinking right now.
I'm sure that they won't declare war to eIndo because there's too much risks of it.
Imagine how the mid-eastern and the east block countries will react to that?
As I said million times. Slovenia almost lost all land in war against Croatia and Poland and we also lost iniciative against them which should be rightfuly ours after the battle of Lower Carniola and Prekmurje. Did EDEN make all that drama becouse of this? No. So you only go complaining when something wrong happens to you.
Get over it.
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LoOOOOOOSEEERRRR...........
hey loser please don't just bark in here
how about we're going to make a new war,huh?
take over is legal...as long as it can be done by real players not fakes
Sictirus: i wouldn't say that...
btw most battles that had been affected by bugs helped eden, like in eFrance
I must agree with Harb:
Its not about this battle, but about what will happen next? the random messages about battles are quite a bad joke, I just can't follow, what really happened in the game
I've been playing eRepublic for a year now, but I have never seen a heavy battle stop when it was meant to. All the followings are only my speculations, I dare to write it down, working as a tester of other software. Please correct me if my reasoning fails.
The reason for these kind of battle endings is that there is a system lag on the battle screen, the system accepts the fights before the official end of the battle, but these are not processed instantly, as the server cannot cope with the huge amount of fights real time. So the fights are queued, and processed later one by one. What happens in these cases, is that when all the fights that arrived BEFORE the official end of the battle are processed, the server checks if it is in the safe area, and if it is not, overtime starts. This decision is made couple of minutes AFTER the battle's official end, namely, when all fights are processed. However, by this time there will be more fights queued, and the server starts to process those.
This is of course seems unacceptable, like sooo many other things in eRepublik. But the system works like that. Too many times we, the players reported this, but no actions were taken. I don't know what would be the best practice, but again, I'm not the developer of this game, it's not my task to solve it. I would like to help with my ideas, but it seems they know the solution, only the will is not there to do it.
@SmoothZiga
I agree, what makes you Australians feel so special so you don't deserved to have a region taken from another counry? Especially from us?
Zsirosbodon one minute ago
I've been playing eRepublic for a year now, but I have never seen a heavy battle stop when it was meant to. All the followings are only my speculations, I dare to write it down, working as a tester of other software. Please correct me if my reasoning fails.
The reason for these kind of battle endings is that there is a system lag on the battle screen, the system accepts the fights before the official end of the battle, but these are not processed instantly, as the server cannot cope with the huge amount of fights real time. So the fights are queued, and processed later one by one. What happens in these cases, is that when all the fights that arrived BEFORE the official end of the battle are processed, the server checks if it is in the safe area, and if it is not, overtime starts. This decision is made couple of minutes AFTER the battle's official end, namely, when all fights are processed. However, by this time there will be more fights queued, and the server starts to process those.
This is of course seems unacceptable, like sooo many other things in eRepublik. But the system works like that. Too many times we, the players reported this, but no actions were taken. I don't know what would be the best practice, but again, I'm not the developer of this game, it's not my task to solve it. I would like to help with my ideas, but it seems they know the solution, only the will is not there to do it. >> I like it
And also, after this one year in the game I'm somewhat convinced that admins are not biased. These bugs affect every party equally in long term.
@ Zsirosbodon
I am more concerned about battle not ending twice while in overtime, when it was pushed in secure and held there for quite some time. That should be an instant battle end. The fact that it went to overtime because it didn't finish when it was supposed to, happened before. That will happen again for sure.
But I never saw overtime not ending when one side pushes it either in no man's land or in the underground.
This is what admins refer to as "bug", so they should act on it and give WA back to the winner (in regular time and twice in overtime).
Australia will rise again! Voted!
@Romper, I didn't see the end of the battle. It all depends on when did the server finish processing all the fights that arrived before the official battle end. It might have been in time later than that two cases it went secure, in which case I may be still right, but if it was before, there must be some other bugs, too.
I remember battles where this lag was very long.
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@ romper : VOTED...
VICTORY IS ONLY FOR THE ONE WHO FIGHT UNTIL THE END... THE BATTLE IS NEVER OVER UNTIL IT IS REALLY OVER...
SO...
GET OVER IT!!!
The battle should go to whichever side held the wall in the overtime.
It is obvious from the battle statistics that eAustralia held the wall in overtime, therefore eAustralia should receive Western Australia.
This isn't a question of bugs, this is a question of who actually won the battle based on statistics not on final outcome.
still talking about WA..
lulz..
we don't care, lol
@Bristel Akina, the problem is that battle statistics too, have that lag on the chart. That's why it's not reliable.
Battle stats are only reliable on the total damage done by each side.
"@Bristel Akina, the problem is that battle statistics too, have that lag on the chart."
nonsense, 50mins into over time we could still press the fight button. that's not lag
Admin justified their reasons with "we concluded that our involvement in this case will set an unwanted precedence: unfairness and unbalances in the New World." I assume they said that meaning that they believe returning back WA would bring unfairness and unbalances. However, now many will intepret that statement with Admin siding towards Phoenix in this decision.
The eWorld watches now to see what the USA will do. The American Army is angry over the admin decision and angry with Indonesia's gloating. If they finally decided to attack Indonesian home soil, things could get interesting. <<<< they have no balls to attack indonesia
just take it loser!!!!
Cry me a river!
But its ok, here in Australia we know you hopeless Penix trolls enjoy taking advantage of bugs and repeating the continually proven wrong excuses.
Larni Kaddlestorm: Yes, it is. The system is a piece of shite.
USA attack indonesia?wow i'm waiting..