[VIKTA] Stop the whinging and the lies
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by Vikta
There has been a lot of accusations thrown against FUP. These are totally unfounded and shameful accusations that serve to tarnish the name of FUP. As a senior member of FUP, I feel I have a duty to explain our side of the story.
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It is true that Virus13 and Awang were both formerly from FUP. And they do have a lot of friends from FUP. But he has quit FUP almost 3 months ago, along with some of our other core members that wanted to branch out, and formed/joined the Malaysian Tiger, and subsequently Pakatan Rakyat. We cannot strictly control the movements, votes, and actions of most of our members, let alone people that are no longer in the party.
To imply that FUP was working against cct_84 or PTOing the party is a desperate attempt to tarnish the name of the party. The fact is, we cannot control our party members, or ex party members. We can only control our party orders, and the party order was to vote against PTOs in DCM and FUP. Those were the legitimite, clear cut, PTO actions.
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A few months ago, some FUP leaders have asked them to return to the party to help rebuild it, but they decided to stay on in Pakatan Rakyat, and we respected that decision. For all intents and purposes, they are separate from us. How the hell is this linked to FUP?
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Virus13 and Awang has been in Pakatan Rakyat for many months. They have contested in the elections under Pakatan Rakyat, they have voted for Pakatan candidates. I don't know more details but I am sure they have participated in the Pakatan Rakyat discussions. So how the hell are they PTOers?
Nagyzee said that: " Instead maybe because of some childish revenge they decided to take over a legit party having its own community."
From my point of view, they have joined Pakatan Rakyat for months, they have contested elections under them, they have, been absolute full Pakatan members. They have been part of the Pakatan community. Then they decided to go for the PP spot. Childish revenge? What on earth are you talking about? Are all leadership challenges childish revenges?
On a pesonal note, I do encourage Virus13 to publish his vision and plans for his party, maybe that would help clear up some of the misconceptions.
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I was also informed that Nagyzee requested gen_tiger to officially orders our members to send votes against Virus13 (for cct_84). I understand that he declined, and some people starting throwing a hissy fit over it. This is because we do not wish to get involved in the internal contest between Virus13 and cct_84.
Why should we support cct_84 over Virus13? Why should we get our hands dirty in what is clearly an internal contest? We only get involved in matters of National Security, and Virus13 is clearly not a threat to our national security. Why should other parties get involved in the internal politics of Pakatan Rakyat? What right do we have in interfering?
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Some people (CDV) have also implied that we used puppets/multies to vote Virus13 in. This is absolutely unfounded, untrue, and a malicious lie and rumour.
Some members of our party have did some investigations, and we have found that the so called 'zombies' were registered under cct_84's referral link, and a lot of them were registered 2-3 hours before reset time. Just check the friend's list of the so called 'zombies'.
I suspect that those were probably inactive cct_84 friends that were called back to vote.
I hope Mr Journalist CDV will investigate next time before making any serious accusations or spread any malicious rumours.
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From what I see, parties that sent votes officially (I don't know whether that happened or not) are the ones that should be chastised - Why should other parties get involved in the internal politics of Pakatan Rakyat?
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So stop whinging. FUP had nothing to do with it. We can't control our members. We can't control our ex members. We can only control our party line, whether people listen to it or not (its not like we can take disciplinary actions and expel them), and our party line was to vote against the legit PTOs in DCM and FUP. As far as I know, this was the best action to take.
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Vikta, only you could tell people to stop whining, then whine.
:3
Oh, and what is this strange concept of "whinging"? Sounds like it has something to do with flight...
Vikta, with all due respect, it's a WELL KNOWN FACT that there are some quarters out there that TOTALLY oppose the name "Pakatan Rakyat"! I DARE to say that they have a screwed-up problem distinguishing facts from fiction.
C'mon Vikta, stop kidding yourself!
I'm 100% sure that you're VERY WELL AWARE of the existence of these people wanting to bring in RL politics into eMalaysia!
Already they have changed the name to "Parti Untuk Semua".
(Actually they want to put another name but they dare not do so now!)
The next thing to go is the logo!
Just wait & see!
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To those that oppose the name "Pakatan Rakyat",
Yes, I totally agree that "Pakatan Rakyat" is a RL Malaysian opposition coalition BUT there is one thing you guys forget, it's NOT YET legally registered unlike the "National Front a.k.a. Barisan National"!
Which means, if there is an election (bye- or general) tomorrow, you can forget about seeing the name "Pakatan Rakyat" on the ballot paper!
Hello, are you guys even aware that RL Pakatan Rakyat DOES NOT EVEN HAVE A LOGO IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Believe me, the day RL Pakatan Rakyat is LEGALLY REGISTERED TOGETHER with a LOGO, That will be the day I would be the First in line to demand that ePakatan Rakyat change both its name & logo!
"Childish revenge? What on earth are you talking about? Are all leadership challenges childish revenges?"
Playing stupid, are we? Awang himself said that the party was taken from cct_84 as they didn't like the name. I've heard about similar motives (plus about some personal issues) from different sources as well. And it seems they want something completely different from what PR was. Virus13 and friends could have made their party from one of the abandoned ones but apparently their aim was to make sure that PR ceases to exist.
A few clarifications:
1. gen_tiger wanted to send voters on Virus13 at first as he was leading. I convinced him not to but couldn't convince him to send voters on the legit candidate.
2. I clearly told him that FUP votes are not needed in DCM as ex-AC members would be voting there.
And yes, by your twisted logic those should be chastised that tried to save PR. That crowns your article. Luckily not everyone agrees with you in FUP either and see the damage that was done here.
And not too surprisingly your article reeks of an unbearable amount of cynicism. Something that has become a trademark of yours lately. But rather soon we might all be experiencing on a bigger scale what cct_84 and his friends, who built up PR from zero, are feeling now. Maybe that will have a good effect on you as a person and you might develop some empathy.
Nagyzee:
Renaming the party is another different matter altogether. I have no problems with the name Pakatan Rakyat. In fact, I am a rl supporter of that political party, and you can ask anyone that knows me well, including CDV, and I am sure he will tell you I have absolutely no problem with the name Pakatan Rakyat. The fact is they have been part of Pakatan Rakyat for a very long time. And they have a right to challenge the incumbent PP if they have issues/do not agree with him. Including the name of the party, personal issues, the direction of the party etc. The bottom line is, they are both legit candidates and everyone should have stayed out of it.
If gen_tiger were to send votes to Virus13 I would have simmilarly opposed it.
Legit candidate? Whos the legit candidate? There were 2, Virus13 and cct_84.
bla bla bla whatever FUP.Just stop feeding the FUP trolls guys.We already seen what they capable of,for example letting eMalaysia to become the laughing stock of the world because we have even less citizen before the baby boom and currently eMalaysia rank is 33 insted the normal 31.
Noveras, do you have any idea what you are talking about?
oh yeah I forgot,you guys know better than anyone else 😁
Yes lets blame FUP for the baby boom and the drop every country experiences after baby booms. Lets blame FUP for not physically stalking every baby irl to make sure they log into eRepublik after they register.
Or hell, lets blame FUP for the headless chicken. Or when Philipines attacks us *shock*
lol stop the whining 😁
😁
@Vikta
Maybe you don't have a problem with the word "Pakatan Rakyat" BUT others do...FACT!
FYI, cct_84 got screwed by the moles/sleepers within Pakatan Rakyat!
They may have been in there for quite some time but they were just opportunists waiting for the right time to overthrow cct_84.
What? You think assuming power via coup d'état is an impromptu thing? Hello, it takes proper planning & perfect timing to execute a successful one!
Moles/sleepers? Is this the rumour CDV was spreading? We did investigations, and found that the sleepers were cct_84 referrals -.-
Just for your information, Awang ahve leave Pakatan Rakyat after the congress election (Federal United Party is in my blood ,that where my politcal career begin I do not want to betray my friend.)
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/not-completed-yet--1172521/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/not-[..]1/20
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and now he is joining back Pakatan Rakyat, why got such move?
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and those referrals u mention? my friends already get banned before the president election... please check...
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i am ok if somebody take over the President seat but if somebody purposely misuse the power of vote to varnish another party that is different story... please check the number of votes compare to party members (89 votes VS 70 members?) weird right?
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and he never talk to me about he didn like the name or logo and also i got pm him about his mission or vission for Pakatan Rakyat in the future, but unfortunately... he never reply any of my message...
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Happy CNY 🙂
If you cant come up with anything better, it would have been better just to stay silent.
Now all citizens in Malaysia talk about Virus13.
He now become popular after the win.
I don't know how to say, but can you give other people to try to build new era of leaderships at PR?
We cannot depend on one leader only to become succesful.
We must give all people chance to lead the party.
PArty is not just open to one candidate only.
Vote for Vikta comment.
Please give him time to repay your trust on him.
If you use your multis to get down other peoples,this show that you don't have any characteristics to be a leader.
GIVE HIM TIME TO PROVE HIS LEADESHIPS CHARACTER!!!
IF he cannot prove that he is capable to do work,then you can use your friends and vote to vote for other candidate than virus13.
I hope everyone realizes that whinging, NOT WHINING, is what Vikta meant. I don't know anything about this issue and I don't plan to, but whinging is a legitimate term. Whinge: to complain fretfully. It is a mainly British term. It normally involves a lot of childish prattling and kicking and dragging of the feet.
I just couldn't let nicholas2000's ignorance continue to seem like a witty jest. Its whinge you mingy wanker.
@Sla_boyz
Who the heck was Virus13 before this?
Did he came out with any plans, resolutions, slogans or what-nots prior to the PP election?
Nope, Nada, Nil, Null, Naught, Zero, Zilch!
And you expect people to accept this BS just like that? Gimme a break!
@Sla_boyz
knock, knock, are you blind, there are no more "Pakatan Rakyat", it is "Parti Untuk Semua". It will no new era for "Pakatan Rakyat", but it is a new rising party name "Parti Untuk Semua". These guys are not truly PR-member, if so they wouldn't change the name, and they rename it to such unrefined name. Actually it is all eRep fault, because they provide such weak spot in the Party System, allow people easily change the party name, without agree from all member, and also it not provide us the function to kick these fake-member prior to the incident.
>"I hope everyone realizes that whinging, NOT WHINING, is what Vikta meant. I don't know anything about this issue and I don't plan to, but whinging is a legitimate term. Whinge: to complain fretfully. It is a mainly British term. It normally involves a lot of childish prattling and kicking and dragging of the feet.
I just couldn't let nicholas2000's ignorance continue to seem like a witty jest. Its whinge you mingy wanker."
Please look here:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whinge" target="_blank">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionar[..]inge
you will see that the definition is "to complain fretfully : whine". In American English, we don't have the term "whinge". My point still stands. Vikta wrote an article complaining about whining, and whined.
you will see that the definition is "to complain fretfully : whine". In American English, we don't have the term "whinge". My point still stands. Vikta wrote an article complaining about whining, and whined.
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Whine and whinge both mean the same thing, and wtf does it matter that in American English you don't have whinge? I (along with every other Malaysian and probably most of the world outside America) speak the Queen's English (except maybe when Microsoft Word autocorrects my spelling to American English😉, a legitimate and correct (arguably more correct than American English in this part of the world anyway). You tried to be witty by making fun of my use of 'whinging', which you obviously thought was a typo or a mistake on my part. 'Whinging' was legitimately and correctly used (as I said, more correctly than 'whining' in this part of the world anyway, but thats besides the point), so your attempt to be funny backfired. It showed your ignorance of things outside America (ie: Queen's English).
*Funny story, I once got a mark taken off my essay for using American English (MS Word spell check set to American English).
To describe Vitka's expression, let's watch Sir Alan Sugar trying to explain the economy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GXuv6FiGTY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GXuv6FiG[..]FiGTY
hey norm! 🙂 long time no see..
>"and wtf does it matter that in American English you don't have whinge?"
It means that I would naturally consider it a typo.
>"You tried to be witty by making fun of my use of 'whinging'"
No, I didn't. As I said before, I thought it was a typo, as I am not familiar with "the Queen's English"
>"It showed your ignorance of things outside America (ie: Queen's English). "
I know about many things outside of America. Forgive me for not knowing every phrase in "the queen's English".
>" I (along with every other Malaysian and probably most of the world outside America) speak the Queen's English"
That won't last forever. As time goes on, the English spoken in old parts of the British empire will take on their own distinctive form (ie American English). We are the only colony to have been separated for long enough for that to happen.