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Belgium has not been a country for months. The only reason it is even in existence right now is because EDEN made it so. This argument that EDEN is in the wrong is baseless. Apparently the "RL" Belgians did not want the country, or else it would have existed before we RW it.

I don't know what you are trying to hint at about me Manong, "The BfB has PHX majority while NDF that was led by eIrish friend of eBelgium (hint! hint! hint!) uaithne was not!", if it concerns any support I may or may not have in regards to ANY alliance, I suggest you stop trying to spread your lies about me. I have NEVER supported any alliance. Before you state anything about me, I suggest you do some homework.

Uaithne, I am hinting that you are NOT pro-PHX that saying that your party is involved with PHX PTO is wrong, but I guess I did not write that very well, I apologize.

I wish you well @ aeros you keep on deluding yourself with your stories whatever you need to do to justify what you did you ptod Belguim for your own agenda no one elses theirs didn't come into it.

Edited, I think it is better that we work with them rather than attack each other. I am getting tired of the squabbles.

Let's hope all winners can come together to make a better Belgium. 🙂

I'm sure EDEN will be ready to cooperate and help the Belgium grow.

Aeros, obvious troll is obvious. Let the real Belgians decide of the future of their country.

Whats a real Belgian? This is a game. Hell, GLaDos is a RL American and he was once President of Russia and is currently the UK's biggest troll. Who people are in RL is meaningless.

Aeros, while I agree that rl nationality is meaningless, and I am more than comfortable with PTO (as long as it's my side, whoever that may be) I suspect you would be less inclined to argue this way were it, say, Canada being PTOed.

Funny how you do a shout out to the wrongdoing of the eMericans and them showing up to the elections while your own party was very much backed by hundreds of voters from PHX related countries like UK, NL and a whole slate of Macedonians.

Aldous, well said, and I truly apologize for my slips of tongue. The reason why I included such and it closed parenthesis for it was an "aside" meaning I was putting in my opinion that the NDF has more flexibility than the BfB in terms of choosing "sides" or being independent or neutral. What happened between you, Olv, and other of the BfB personnel is unknown to me and I am appalled and shamed by such ignorance. However, I am very glad that the NDF is staying here in Belgium, I was truly disappointed at the elections and wanted a common list as well. I have not been told by Olv about any of our agenda but most of my votes came from my friends whom I invited to help, the people whom contacted me and saw my articles. I will further investigate about this and talk to involved people and will remain in contact with you. Thanks for your reply! 🙂

Manong, why did you, a selfproclaimed separatist, run for a unionist party?

Aldous, it was such a dramatic irony Aldous. I was not expecting for the elections to be this BIG! I actually ran first in Highst' party for there were only 3 people there and I thought it would be easier for me to become an official candidate, of course, knowing the implications of doing that, I still did! So Hugo Lilly contacted me and told me that Olv will create a party and I should run in that party. At that time, there were less than 10 people so as things developed I just eventually got in with the BfB. And to tell you the truth, I wanted to join the NDF because unualibro gave me the plane ticket to here, but there were many of you guys already running and I didn't want to disturb that number. Neither was I contacted by you or by any of the Belgian Revolutionaries thus I ended up being in the care of Hugo and Olv.

Nevermind.

"Until the last day before the elections, certain members of the BfB were discrediting NDF as being not really Belgian and claiming that BfB was the only real Belgian party, reposting the same identical message several times without any reaction of the BfB authorities - Olv just smiled and told me to keep a good sense of humor about it."

==> Aldous, in politics every party has to live with critics. Even Manong was continuously attacked by some people who voted for our party because of his roots. I always defended him like I will do for every staff member of my party, Belgian or foreigner.

U.S. go home!

"==> Aldous, in politics every party has to live with critics. Even Manong was continuously attacked by some people who voted for our party because of his roots. I always defended him like I will do for every staff member of my party, Belgian or foreigner."

There is a difference between "some people who have a problem with one of your party members" and "one of your party members who keep discrediting a party that is in good relations with yours". I do understand you protect your own party, but can you do that against all costs?

"NDF = separatists (will have more tendency on allying with Poland due to strategical reasons and benefit for the country)"
Upon this sentence, Manong, I think Aldous pretty much said it. A commonly made mistake here is that "not proPHX"= proEDEN. NDF chooses the third way, the Belgian way, the neutral way. There would be no binding to one alliance without the trust of the other one.
I know you put that line in your article as irony, but it looks like we started at proEDEN and wend to neutral, while neutral was our starting point. I get your point, but the phrasing could've been better.

Ronny, your point is established. No use in reiterating it like I am an idiot because everybody can obviously understand what you all are saying and I am obviously agreeing to it. Thanks, so let's stop this squabble now. okay?

Squabbling is bad, 'kay?

No, seriously, not meant bad, Manong. Let's get to the real business now, together.

Achilles Van Acker: You do realise that we (the mentioned international support) only came here AFTER the pro-EDEN PTO groups were confirmed?
If the eAmericans and ePolish would have stayed out of this, so would we.

The arrival of the Americans was announced the day before the elections. Macedonians (Phoenix, right) were already official candidates (although BfB authorities might dispute this) and a call for help on the eUK forum was already launched (although BfB authorities may say it was retracted for a little while, still the Navy stood ready). Not surprisingly EDEN sent more representatives - although only Americans can be considered official EDEN representatives, since it seems that the Croats and the Poles are acting on their own initiative (and are of course EDEN friendly).

Aldous, you were here during the previous PTO of the group didn't you? So when you see the group (Highst) creating a party again, you don't care?

Our demand for help came after the creation of the group's party some days (maybe week?) before the elections.

But you also demanded that no help from Spain would arrive, I see some contradiction in your actions here.

To your previous post:
You might be good father for your party, but your answer is besides the point I was trying to make. I'm fine with criticism, but blattant lies from a coalition partner can't be defined as such anymore.

Aldous: That might or might not have been when it was made official, but at least the core was already in the country then and the PTO already planned out. We were reacting to that initial thread.

True neutrality in this country will fail, just as anything else with it, if the alliance dichotomy (which starts to look like religion) won't be set aside, at least on this tiny piece of land. The unofficial presence of the one will always bring the other one here, leading to conflict or strugle for power over this small nation. Being a bit shortsighted perhaps, I can only see two paths - either we make both of them stay out (unrealistic in my opinion), or we allow official observers in Congress, one of each alliance, with official assurance from the alliance leaders that our souvereignity and democracy will be guaranteed as long as we stay neutral. In time these foreign congressmen could even become ambassadors outside of Congress. Belgium should become an official no man's land. I suggest talks should be started as soon as possible.

May I remind everybody that PHX and EDEN are not the only entities in the world.

There are others, but of no importance to our situation, at least not at the moment. But still an important remark.

Interesting idea Aldous, but I don't see it working. To big the egos on both sides here, that one wouldn't try to somehow cheat the other.

Plus there will always be movements like the ePolish TO in Peru, the shaolins, the theocrats and other groups still aiming for a PTO. And I don't think eBelgium itself has enough people yet to counter any serious attack by one of those or any similar group.

not exactly welcoming and cooperative with combative statements and articles such as these. the things that make an opposition party...

If you are talking about the relationship between NDF and BfB, it is someone strained as of now but we are good friends with each other, I think.

If you are talking about the Polish and American parties, we are doing our utmost best with the support of the Croatians and other prominent people to cooperate and discuss with each other. It's not the article, it's the reaction.

I suggest:
1. Be positive and think of me as your best friend.
2. Reread the article again

It will have a different impact. 🙂