1 Less Tank Per Day Debunked
Gnilraps
Department of Rectification
Day 1,440 of the New World
30 October 2011
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The claim was made, recently, that Americans earning market wages will be one tank poorer per day because of the new tax plan. The claim is that after a ~10% increase (from 15% to 25
😵in income tax, a 2% decrease in VAT, and a 5% decrease in import tax, that when all is said and done, those working for a regular market wage will have purchased one fewer tank each day.
In a recent interview, I called this claim "BS", by which I meant Bull Sh*t. I was referring to that claim as one of many lies being told about the new tax program.
In the comments section of that interview I myself was called a liar, presumably over this issue. I would like to present the following figures as evidence that "One Less Tank Per Day" is, in fact, total BS, by which I mean Bull Sh*t.
The increase in Income tax from 15% to 25% using an average wage of around $155 USD took an extra $16 USD out of a daily wage. The decrease of 2% in VAT would reduce taxes paid on an average-priced tank by $0.6 USD per tank. The reduction of Import tax by 5% is harder to measure but increased competition almost always leads to reduced prices - especially in eRepublik. So perhaps tanks are costing another $1 USD less than they would have under the older less competitive Import tax. A conservative estimate would perhaps be $0.5 cheaper. In reality, this figure will fluctuate as world markets fluctuate and importers will tend to sell their products in whatever market is offering them the best hope of profit.
Tanks generally cost $6 per food fight while food generally costs $3 per food fight, so if a self-supplying player is spending 2/3 of his income on tanks, that is approximately $94 (of income from working) spent on tanks per day. That is about 3-ish tanks. 2/3 of the $16 difference in taxes paid is $10.56 from which we deduct at least $1.8 ($0.6x3) for the lowered VAT plus however much you want to attribute to the lowered Import tax. So at MOST a player is able to spend $8.7 less minus however much less the importers are driving down prices. Using an estimate of $0.5 per tank lower price due to importers, that makes $7.2 less spending money for tanks per day. Again, at $30 per tank that amounts to perhaps 1 fewer tank per 4 days or less than 2 fewer tanks per week. Even without accounting for the reduced prices due to increased competition, at $10.56 less spent per day on tanks, that is still just over 2 tanks per week fewer. But we are not done yet.
Many players are producing and selling their production and earning NON TAXED income that way. EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR that gets spent on a tank that is earned from a non-wage source is stretched by at least $0.6 per tank plus whatever additional price decrease the importers are driving.
Keeping in mind that a tank is good for 5 fights, and using reasonably conservative figures, if a player is purchasing 10 tanks per day (if a player is fighting 50 clicks per day with tanks), and that player is spending 2/3 of his income on tanks and paying for the remaining 7 tanks from income gained through self-produced goods sold at market, that player has broken even under the new tax plan.
It was also floated in the comments thread of that interview article that "Today an average American worker earned less by the price of 1.27 tank than the day before the hikes were proposed."
This figure can only defended if every other market variable is ignored completely. The fact that region bonuses have decreased and a 30% Gold Sale has been introduced makes any comparison of today's market to the market of 9 days ago complicated at least. It is totally disingenuous to compare today's market with a 9 day old market and suggest that a single factor can explain every difference. Oversimplified assertions like "One Less Tank Per Day" or "1.27 fewer tanks per day" ought to raise eyebrows. Economics are not that simple.
I have not lied about this tax plan. The truth is, using an average wage of $155 (wages tend to fluctuate from around $140 to around $170, back and forth) for anyone fighting more than 88 times per day, I can absolutely assert that this new tax plan affords them MORE spending power on tanks than the previous tax plan. (This assertion is based on 2/3 of wage-earned income being spent on tanks and DOES NOT EVEN FACTOR IN ANY COMPETITIVE PRICE DECREASE FROM THE LOWERED IMPORT TAX.)
Furthermore, this assessment has not yet taken into account that the food side of the equation moves the break-even point even lower on the fights-per-day scale. Because the VAT tax on food was decreased by 5% (as opposed to the 2% decrease in weapons VAT), the actual number of fights-per-day at which the new tax plan actually financially benefits the wage-earning Citizen is somewhere lower.
Because it is impossible to evaluate exactly how much the added Import competition has reduced the market prices of food and weapons, it is impossible to assert hard numbers of exactly how far below 88 fights per day a wage-earning Citizen has to fight in order to benefit from the tax plan.
However it is a safe assertion that the more you fight, the more you will benefit from the new tax plan.
Fighting is certainly optional in this game. The new tax plan is hardest on those who choose not to fight for their country.
I am in favor of a tax plan like that.
I appreciate anyone who took the time to sort their way through this unusually text-heavy article from 16 Shells.
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You may now return to your regularly scheduled clicking
Comments
The New Tax Plan puts MORE TANKS in your storage than the old one... as long as you fight.
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Good stuff. Voted! Also, might I add that I AM liking the new hardedge Gnilraps. GET 'EM!
I have been feeling a bit chippy lately...
Exactly!
I wish someone could do a study to prove how many people working for market wages actually buy tanks. I'd put a bet on less than 5%.
1 Less Tank Per Day Debunked
pooped on
Great analysis, "Prestige Worldwide!"
HAIL FREEDOM!
Also, 16 shells is 150 subscribers away from the top 5. Hopefully you'll be there by the end of the year.
Good article and voted; however the new Tax policy is still bad eLegislation in my opinion.
"The New Tax Plan puts MORE TANKS in your storage than the old one... as long as you fight." -Not if you are buying your food and weaponry from the market out of your daily wages if you consume *more* than you produce... (the '99%' of younger eCitizens, irrespective of whether they're affiliated with a Military Commune or not.)
16 dollars is helpful when you need to heal 50 hp to kill one more opponent on the battlefield per day.
Regarding "increased competition" from international vendors lower tank prices, the best way to achieve lowering the cost of goods is to increase production by supporting eUSA businesses. (aka 'Buy eAmerican!)
Finally, When services have an associated cost with them the average eCitizen cannot benefit from increased payroll taxes to which the 'eUnions' do not substantively contribute.
@BK, I've always worked for market wages, and buy tanks; however, my lands support my military efforts, not my daily salary.
I got my numbers from looking at wages today, and from Chae dee
Market wages today: $146 After Taxes: $109.5
So that's 3.4 tanks
Market wages before tax plan: $170 After Taxes: $144.5
4.4 tanks
I started reading and was then like fuck it I don't understand economics lol.
Ima just trust you on this one.
@Lexone, nothing wrong with your math per se, but it is not good practice to compare wages from 9 days ago with today when so many other factors have surely influenced the drop in wages. If you are going to use $146, use $146. If you use $170 then use $170.
Also, people are not spending their entire income on tanks.
Also, the price of tanks is lower under the new tax plan than the old one.
Really, read the article.
Tiamati.Magick : Dude when you restrict people to buy only american then there are going to be less goods on market to buy which will drive the prices up not down. And no country can increase or decrease production in a day, for that we need to let in international vendors to put more stuff on market to bring down prices.
With that many words, he must be right!
tl;dr
@npaidi: Dude, I'm not attempting to restrict anyone into anything. The Domestic producers of goods and services typically create the benchmark which the importers must 'meet or beat' in order to get any sales. Increasing production always takes time, and has no direct bearing on the amount of imported goods sitting on eAmerican shelves.
That Said, Common Sense rings true that the higher the import taxes the more eUSD will be kept circulating through our domestic economy instead of having them wind up on the monetary market after having been used to pay for foreign labor. Like it or not, Domestic sales keep private sector workers employed.
@Tiamati.Magick, what "services" are you talking about?
BS is BS
see this is why MUs rock, don't have to worry about taxes, just work in a commune for minimum wage and get free weaps and food every day...
Phased out after BS an something about more tanks. I'll read it tomorrow.
I still think the new tax plan is utter garbage. During the height of WW III there was a promise made to lower taxes after the war. That never happened. Now we get another tax hike while lowering the import tax which means more money for foreign made goods while there being less money for domestic goods.
The eUS needs to stop listening to people who play fake economist and use the laffer curve as a club to silence anyone disagreeing with their BS. Also the Econ Council should operate out in the full open unless its deciding the MILITARY budget. There's no need for it to hide under the auspices of "secrecy". While I'm pissy about the EC it should also be answerable to congress instead of being above it and have its membership work similar to the NSC so you dont have long term people lording over their status just because they got magically appointed to the EC.
Then again considering the eUS's politics work like a good ol boy network on hillbilly heroin I doubt anything will be changed and things will just keep going this way till we max out taxes while other stronger nations continually lower theirs.
waiting for SHM >.>
Elitist propaganda, you should feel bad about yourself for publishing this tripe.
lulz....Raising Income Taxes reduces the ability to purchase tanks, not increases
VAT has nothing to do with "lowering the price of tanks" A lower VAT means company owners can charge more now for tanks and not feel the burden of getting ripped off by the government.
-Big business is king and 25% taxes by the government is a selfish move. Way to kill the newb population!
and I wholeheartedly agree with Relorian's comments. The EC has way too much unchecked power to do what it pleases. No accountability, no oversight, but make the most important game mechanic decisions we have.
Economic Council has no power whatsoever besides the ability to advise.
inb4SHM calls this utter rubbish while all his arguments are disproved.
Big business is king and 25% taxes by the government is a selfish move. Way to kill the newb population!
"Big Business" is the one paying wages. Dolt.
Yes it is my assessment that it is actually producers who should hate this tax bill the most. They will make smaller profits under this new plan. But again, they were not the priority consideration, raising our potential for damage was.
"But again, they were not the priority consideration, raising our potential for damage was. "
Then it was a collosal failure. Several states have fallen under foreign occupation since the new tax plan was put into effect. While Poland has kicked butt with a much lower tax rate for months now.
Many citizens are claiming, quite accurately, that the new taxes are simply lining the pockets of the aristocratic elite. What do you think that does to player retention?
Who are these aristocratic elites that you speak of that are getting rich?
"Many citizens are claiming, quite accurately, that the new taxes are simply lining the pockets of the aristocratic elite. What do you think that does to player retention?"
I think that perpetrating this idiotic myth is terrible for player retention.
I don't think any businesses are hurt: For the income tax to hurt them
1) They need to actually employ workers (only Q5 food and weapons firms do that)
2) Even then, they should face an elastic labor supply. They don't unless people start changing countries.
Also VAT helped them significantly.
Consequently no businesses are hurt. And investment is boosted.
Rather than the 25% income tax alone, now you want to bring the whole plan under fire? OK, I'll bite. Apples and oranges, but what the heck.
1.) Lower VAT and higher income tax means about 0.5 tank per day less, than lower VAT and the same income tax. (Slippery - but not slippery enough, nice try, though)
2.) (Belizaire's argument) No way to be certain that the guy getting funding to fight will do more damage than me. You're not funding the fighting of 8000+ Str only.
3.) For each 500k USD in treasury, you're talking about removing a hypothetical 175 THOUSAND clicks on the Fight button (at Q1 food at 0.57 as atm.). And turning them from hypothetical into plain impossible. (And once we start draining the buffer? see 2.) )
And where did the 25% figure come out of, anyway? Why not 15,18,20,22%?
@Kemal - some mathz plox??? Or did ya pick a number from thin air, you rascal?
Take a good tax plan and throw in a 25% income tax in the mix. It is like making an excellent plate of food and taking a dump in the middle.
Edible - perhaps, but why don't people like it?!
"waiting for SHM"
I'm afraid you'll have to wait a little longer. Real life duties have turned me into a few-clicker for a while. But of course I'm going to address all this utter rubbish soon(ish).
I love how people use seria/polands muting skills as a reason to mimic there tax structure.
I rather enjoy the butthurt and the 8yo arguments, come back soon shm ):
I hate to make anyone mad, but I find this all rather amusing. I proposed a MU idea to Congress that was poo pooed. It evolves using business people and wannabe business people (noobs) that don't want to give their eLives away to military communes so some super strong dude can be a hero. These people will never be part of the 'system' because they don't wish to play this way.
My MU is taking shape. People are already benefiting from communing in my q5 companies. They are paid in products, not money. Evry tells me that is great, so OK then. Also, we generally don't buy anything off the market. I produce the RM's needed in multiple FRM & WRM co.'s that I work alone as a manager. No employee's = no cost for RM's. Everyone gets a share of what they make. No 3:1 ratio here.
The ONLY time taxes are involved happens when we sell our excess. Technically we aren't paying tax, as we are the sellers, not the buyers.
Once we get several members built up, with q5 manuf. and RM's, we will have quite the little machine to generate profit and supplies.
Just so everyone is aware, we do not accept OMS funding. They offered, I politely declined. It is unnecessary and would take away from those starving to death in others communes. This goes against our aim to help the little guy.
"Jean LannesDay 1,441, 19:02 I rather enjoy the butthurt and the 8yo arguments, come back soon shm ):"
And I rather disdain imbecile trolling.
@pure_evil
You don't want to see me do math. You really don't.
@SHM
Good luck with "virtal econometrics".
I love how people use seria/polands muting skills as a reason to mimic there tax structure.
Nah, we like their tax structure just for being their tax structure, ya know, envy for the other guys and stuff.
It's not like any player not on govt support would feel better with it.
@Kemal - be my guest. Let's see the equations that give 25% income tax,and 5% VAT.
Or, at least, what figures and assumptions your model is based on, relies on and spits out as answers:
- Number of workers on wage
- Number of workers that won't go for a donation contract
- Does Mr. B pay VAT
- Number of regions
- Target figure for the buffer before lowering taxes ("mission accomplished" condition) - unless we're stockpiling cash indefinitely
- Time to reach the condition with the old system vs new
- Projected daily tax revenue
- Allowed minimum daily tax revenue before military takes a nose dive without buffer
etc.
On a side note - are we depending on the constructions loophole for additional mil funding yet, or is it still an extraordinary bonus for them?
"those working for a regular market wage will have purchased one fewer tank each day.
In a recent interview, I called this claim "BS", by which I meant Bull Sh*t. I was referring to that claim as one of many lies being told about the new tax program.
In the comments section of that interview I myself was called a liar, presumably over this issue."
O RLY?
"”The Economics Council's top priority is to create a tax system that will buffer the effects of the rising cost of Gold. The new tax plan is designed to sap foreign importers of greater revenue through increased import traffic, while protecting the position of the USD against Gold.”"
Since that time EC chairperson Evry and Secretary of Treasury Kemal Ergenekon both unequivocally denied this being the goal of the tax hikes. Are they lying or are you?"
The response:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/operation-epic-fail-the-ec-tax-plan-i--1895910/1/20
The way the taxes are goin our real wages will be the same as commune wages.