[TRG] Blacklisting
J.A. Lake
Blacklisting is viewed as the eUS Congress' greatest tool to enforce discipline and to punish wayward Congress members. It was a seldom-used tool, utilized to block four individuals from participating in Congress on the eUS forums prior to December.
In the "law" passed following the mass-blacklisting of 24 members of Bear Cavalry, Blacklisting is defined as:
1. No post approval in Public Congress.
2. No access to Private Congress.
3. No access to SCI.
4. Disqualification from requesting and receive funding from the CBO.
5. Disqualification from holding any office listed in the Constitution and Code.
6. Disqualification from re-entry into the eUS, should they hold foreign citizenship.
In essence, if you are blacklisted you are disallowed from being a participating member of Congress. That is pretty serious if you're intent on attaining higher office or even on simply playing the game.
My contention is that blacklisting is an awful means to enforce the rules, and it is for two reasons. First, it has demonstrably fractured the community. Second, Congress is not mature enough to wield such power.
Let us embark on the less contentious of the two points first. I believe that the community has been damaged by blacklisting.
It's no secret that the mishandling of the game has killed off a vast portion of the player base. Those few who survive must live together or the community shrinks. In short, every player counts.
Every person we ostracize is an effort to downsize our community. Blacklisting is directly counterproductive to making this game last.
Beyond that, it fractures the community. The December Blacklisting is more or less unprecedented, so there is little to go off of historically speaking here. Members of Bear Cavalry and of the Socialist Freedom Party continue to believe, in some quarters, that Congress has little authority beyond what it can enforce in-game. Many also believe that participation in meta-Congress is essentially useless. Should anyone be surprised that blacklisting confirms these thoughts?
When you force someone to sit the metagame out and still play the real game effectively, you are creating a bloc of people who know that the metagame is extraneous. It becomes obvious to them that the metagame is bureaucracy and politicking forced into existence simply to make life difficult. Why go back to that?
On to my next point. Congress is not mature enough to handle this responsibility.
Let's start out with some quotes from the recent discussion on the Amnesty Bill.
"Beg at my feet if you want back."
"Time out isn't finished if you say its finished."
"...this is a pretty sad attempt to get out of wearing their dunce caps in the time-out corner."
"It appears we have a group that just wants their toys back..."
Fortunately for people who like to cringe, there is an entire "Library of Congress" that documents years of Congress members acting like this. It's discouraging that this is the system within which Congress wants people to work.
Despite numerous claims that a bar had been set for removing blacklist status, the discussion bounced from "apology" to "contrition" to "acknowledgment of wrongdoing" back to "apology" and so on. Congress does not know what it wants, not exactly.
Beyond that, demanding an "apology" is so puerile and ridiculous that it is embarrassing. Children demand an apology when their toy is broken. Adults go to court and hash it out before a judge.
What's an apology? That's a relatively subjective definitions. Apologies can be faked. There are a ton of variables at play there. It's just plain stupid to demand people apologize for breaking the law.
The point here isn't to hurl insults at Congress. It's to demonstrate that Congress does not have the maturity to wield a tool like blacklisting. It is too destructive to the community to be entrusted to a Congress that calls people dunces and demands they beg at their feet for readmission.
It may be best to simply do away with blacklisting. It's a tool that insults the intelligence of party officials, ostracizes players, and gives a decidedly childish Congress far too much power. If Valiant Thor or General Ajay Hutt Gipper Bruno tries to get into Congress, party leaders should be smart enough not to put them very high on the ticket. If they do get into Congress, the Speaker should know that they have little if any valuable input and not approve their posts.
Congress does not need to dictate who can participate or not. Congress cannot handle the responsibility of dictating who can say what, where. Moreover, Congress should not have that power. It is destructive, exclusive, and arbitrary.
It should be abolished before it can do any further harm. We must confront the fact that it is clumsy and inefficient. As evidenced by various blacklisted people running for Congress, it is wholly ineffective at punishing wrongdoing.
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[TRG] Blacklisting
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Damn!
haha well said.
problem is: eUSA does not have a court system other than a childish group of forum goers. 😛
Which, TBH, hasn't ever gotten any better with time...
Why run for Congress without the incentive of having other players beg at my feet?
Little big shots trying to feel big on a browser game... who gives a f**k.
hmmm.... funny coming from you....
j. a. Iv'e noticed that people in the sfp generally like to misconstrue and take things out of context... those quotes up there are taken way out of context....
in general I find it funny that you say the meta game is worthless but at the same time you want to do away with a tool which in your own words just keeps people out of meta.....
also I think the apology is so they can acknowledge that they did something wrong.... this is something judges incorporate into courtrooms all the time....
It is not, however, that upon which a verdict is based.
judges base their verdicts on whether a person regrets what he did all the time... please....
Its hard to deny people said those quotes. And, in many cases, they're close to the entirety of a post.
Beg at my feet if you want back." - yes this needs no context... it's tenshibo at his best
"Time out isn't finished if you say its finished." this was in reply to you, Ilene.... you said "The naughty boys have had to sit in their room for a time out. Time out is finished now." context makes a world of difference here...
"...this is a pretty sad attempt to get out of wearing their dunce caps in the time-out corner." once again, the term "time out" was created by you ilene.... you can't go making up a term and then getting all upset about it when others use it too...
"It appears we have a group that just wants their toys back..." in the first place I don't see anything wrong with this statement.... but let's continue the statement and put it here in it's entirety....
"without going the proper route to get said toys back. Not like Congress is asking for your first born or anything. Just an apology."
Knowing the context that I "invented" the phrase "time out is finished now" doesn't change the intent at all. I was used the phrase to make a rhetorical point about the infantile nature of the punishment. The subsequent posters rather reinforced that congress (majority at least) is infantile and unable to argue that it's been short changed at McDonalds.
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I don't even know how to answer this... it's a flawed argument at best, a proof of the fact that sfp'rs are majorly hypocritical at worst...
People seem to be confusing RL with game systems. Sure, in the real world congress makes the laws it pleases. It can pass a law saying that only women are allowed to vote, and behold! Only women are allowed to vote. Or it could try and pass a law (or constitutional amendment - mechanically the same thing) that says the 99th President never has to seek re-election (and is therefore a "democratic dictator" because congress still exists and makes laws and stuff).
What happens in the real world with "stupid" laws? They get struck out by the courts. Ordinary citizens have an avenue of appeal. Here, in the game, there is no appeal if congress starts acting like a bunch of sad trolls.
The only appeal is to grovel at their feet, evidently.
I believe Kennedy was being sarcastic.
I think that motives vary. Some just want us out of the way.
Instead of getting rid of us, it opened up new opportunities, for the members.
Library of Congress doesn't have the discussion to blacklist Black Sheep. MU + party constituted around 800 members at the time, all of whom would be blanket blacklisted. Good stuff. Too bad the server needed to be restored from a backup before that term. Probably the record attempt? (Iirc, a blacklist of the old JCS was never discussed? That would probably be close, tho)
Blacklisting is simply cyber bullying and says more about the infantile nature of those who impose it than about anything else. Face it, the forums have no power over Plato and the game can be played without the forum moguls, even if they are prepared to cheat to try to enforce their power (eg shifting party members to control top 5 parties).
The regime that has controlled the forums and the US party system for seven years now can be defeated by simply boycotting them and banding together. Look, even the Serbs and Ajay nearly beat them some years ago, so who is to say that normal eUS people can't?
The secret is never to be bought off by the meta elites and never to compromise. Do everything within the game and totally ignore the forums. Use the media outside of the forums and don't feed the trolls.
Finally, if unpleasant individuals, make life too uncomfortable, try exile, especially in numbers. You can make friends everywhere and, believe me, the taxes are generally lower. One of the best things you can do in eRep is to work with others to lower taxes and thus keep YOUR hard earned money out of the hands of those who would exploit you and corrupt the game. YOU don't need the elites. So don't feed them.
They can't hurt you, even if you are abused for speaking out. Just don't give them power over you. I am still playing after seven years, despite having been outspoken many years ago, because I learned not to care any more and to stop getting personal. Collective comments are one thing. Just leave the individuals alone and play your own game.
The idea that "justice" will be ameliorated if the accused "admit their guilt" and "apologize" is quite contrary to western norms of "equality before the law", "presumption of innocence" and so forth. It is more like the so-called "justice" system created by the Communist Party of China, which is exactly what the current so-called Congress reminds me of -- sclerotic privileged elites in a sham "democracy" exercising their daddiness, but in a considerably sillier way. Kind of like Monty Python goes to Beijing.
First rulling party in China is not Communist. Second if u still think that "presumption of innocence"and equality before the law" runs in USA when pigs kills black people like ducks, despite if they are unarmed (I CAN BREATHE) vote TRUMP.
Glad to see that, despite Sanders moderate views his voter are the #Bern. Fell it...and i mean downthere 😉
Don't disagree with this at all. I was only referring to "legal" "realities".
well legal "westerns norms" just garantee equal rights in the book. Reality is different
"every person...cunts"
blacklisting...oppa McCarthy style
Getting blacklisted is a honor. Please, someone, blacklist me.
Congress seems to be unblacklisting people who "acknowledge" wrongdoing,
so that's neat
wingfield wrote: "Blacklisting is simply cyber bullying and says more about the infantile nature of those who impose it than about anything else."
+ 1
The fact that these people needed to be blacklisted says more about these people's ability to play well with others than it does the people who find it necessary to enforce the laws that congress creates. It's not our fault that many in SFP chose to knowingly break the law.
Learning to not break the rules is kindergarten stuff, and yet it seems like so many in SFP need a refresher course in how not to behave. It's good that you guys have finally learned your lesson after your extended time out. Hopefully now you're well trained enough to play with the big kids.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present Exhibit A in the case of "SFP hating the eUS Forums and its users"
I couldn't care less what SFP thinks about the forums. You're not special snowflakes that deserve to be coddled. Many SFP members broke the law. They deserve to be punished for doing it. You don't get to break the law and get away with it because of your feelings.
Grow up, and learn to play with others. Your party's members have been offered an extremely easy way to redeem themselves, but all I hear from you people is further complaints. How do you expect to get anything done in congress when you can't even follow the most basic of rules, and take one of the most generous of compromises.