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[IBC] Vote Buying, Pathetic, or Isn't that bad...

Day 1,923, 13:44 Published in United Kingdom United Kingdom by Horatio I

Lets Discuss Vote Buying

I asked on the #euk and #ukpp (the two most active IRC channels I was on) for everyone to reply with one word why vote buying was bad.

“Pathetic” - Skibbler
“Isn’t”- GokuJones

There are some... wait no, all , of the responses I got. For such a terrible and abhorrent practice it does seem people aren’t all that concerned.

Let’s look at the process,
Someone posts an article,
Someone adds the article to the Voters Club website buying votes from around 3cc to 6cc a vote and from 50-500 votes.
The person pays an admin of the Voters club the required money and the votes begin drifting in.
The article is now most likely appearing in the top news for everyone.

The implication of this is that a well written, and brilliant article may be buried dead underneath a pile of rather poor bought vote articles. This is certainly a problem, maybe one we can fix with an idea I have below, however the fact remains the Voters club isn’t exclusive. Anyone can place an order on an article for votes, and it isn’t hugely expensive. 250cc maximum for around 50 votes.

The truth is, it’s going to happen, before the Voters club you had people with 10,20 even 30 Organisations voting up articles, its always existed in one form or another, and always will.

How can we get around vote buying?

The Ministry of Home Affairs could post an article each day, and gradually be filled with all the best news from that day. The article would be properly titled “[Day/Month/Year] - [Day,IE Monday]’s News”, quickly it’d become a one stop outlet for eUK’ers to check the good and important news of the day.

Articles could be added based on votes in the comments, if an article posted in the comments received five votes or more then its added to the article. Of course, it’s important everyone votes this article daily.

Discuss vote buying and the MOHA Daily Article below!

I also invite you to join The eUK Forums.

Crede quod habes, et habes.
Legatus Legionis ,
Horatio I



Topher Fair
Topher Fair Day 1,923, 13:47

That's what I do for New Era!

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby Day 1,923, 13:48

I like the idea of the MoHA bringing back a similar NNA enterprise so that all articles can get a natural recognition of it's worth.

I think vote buying becomes an issue when it's consistently the same people, every other day, who are knocking genuine works of journalism down with their own copy & pasted contents.

Just as people are free to pay money to have hundreds of people from outside the eUK vote their work up, so to are we free to point this out in the comments section to both inform those who wouldn't immediately release such and help deter the author from continually doing such again

Horatio I
Horatio I Day 1,923, 13:51

Of course. the kicker is, does pointing out it's a bought article change the fact the reason someone buys votes is exposure. If it has alot of votes, it appears of people's Top News, now if it's spammed 'Bought Article' it also has alot of comments! So to the normal eUK'er here is a article that has ALOT of votes and ALOT of comments, it must be worth reading.

So the author succeeds in his goal of exposure.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby Day 1,923, 13:54

Well instead of having comments that critically engage with the material you're trying to get exposed, you're instead having a tsunami of angry eUKer's humbly using their freedom of speech to voice their dissatisfaction with the idea that you can con people into believing your work is more popular (to the point of hundreds of 'votes') that it truly is.

I think it's also a rather important point that if people see a large segment of the community protesting this sort of thing then they may be inclined to join in.

Topher Fair
Topher Fair Day 1,923, 14:00

or be disgusted by you.

We are arranging an alternative, you'll loathe it but it'll be legit if it works.

Horatio I
Horatio I Day 1,923, 14:21

Are you able to discuss an alternative?

Horatio I
Horatio I Day 1,923, 14:00

That's a fair point, using peer pressure to regulate the news may influence someones decision to buy votes (Personally, I think not) but maybe the biggest effect is to alert the average Joe to the persistant vote buyer and have him aware that the next article posted by Mr X is likely to be voted whereas an article by Mr Y has never recieved votes. Maybe tje MOHA NNA style thing (if anyone is interested in picking this up) could keep a vote buying tally and infraction scale....

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby Day 1,923, 14:08

Well what's quite interesting is now quite a lot of people are, without prompting, posting their own dissatisfaction on obviously bought articles (with more votes ordered than media-savvy eUKers themselves).

Considering Goku himself has contrasted their new 'alternative' as legit in comparision, I think you get a clear idea on the public opinion of how buying votes reflects on your own journalism and quality as a party.

Regardless, I don't think posting 'infractions' from the Home Office will make that much of a difference. Whatever tactic people use to artificially inflate their writing above those of others, I think there will be a natural backlash now against it.

People aren't particularly happy about having their media spammed/new citizens taken for a ride by rich oldfags, and I think the more we see some people use these underhand tactics to try and get what they want - more peopled will be alienated against it.

Strength and Honour

Rory Winterbourne
Rory Winterbourne Day 1,923, 14:13

Aside from the moral side of burying top 5 articles worthy of recognition in there own right by people who can't afford the voters club, vote buyers are effectively paying enemy nations citizens to vote up the media in the UK. Not sure how you can brush over that fact and ask the Ministry of Home Affairs to come up with a solution.

Just stop doing it and don't be surprised by any negative consequences of continuing. I can't imagine this recent bout of vote buying has helped New Era much...

Oh and voted : )

Horatio I
Horatio I Day 1,923, 14:19

This is actually a very valid point, and may be a good direction to take anti-vote buying. 'A sold vote is a Q7 in the hands of our enemy' or something similar. I hadn't thought about it that way.

I didn't ask MoHA to come up with a solution I present the MoHA a solution. I'd be happy to do it myself but feel it should be a government programme.

Topher Fair
Topher Fair Day 1,923, 14:31

What everyone ignores is that my articles get top 5 anyway by day 2, so we are complaining about it being top of the list of 5 rather than bottom. Is arrangement of 5 articles really the hot issue of eUK? Do we have nothing better to do?

Sexagenarian Day 1,923, 14:40

How do we know that your articles will get top 5? Never seen a recent one without bought votes.

Topher Fair
Topher Fair Day 1,924, 09:57

Subtract the votes bought from the vote count.

surferdude Day 1,923, 14:51

nope, nothing better

Send love to Plato
Send love to Plato Day 1,924, 23:13

The votes cast that are not from the voters club beg to differ on occasions Mr Goku

john GB
john GB Day 1,924, 08:26

So why resort to dubious underhand tactics that reflect badly on your party?
Or does it simply exemplify what your party stands for?

Topher Fair
Topher Fair Day 1,924, 09:56

They are not dubious underhand tactics.

Mr Woldy
Mr Woldy Day 1,923, 14:38

The issue is by saying it's a simple party political strategy, you're encouraging every other party to do the same. What a choked up and miserable media module that will leave us with!

Danie Fox
Danie Fox Day 1,923, 15:02

The last three articles Goku released without buying votes had 17, 28 and 30 votes - which is currently not enough to get you into the top 5.

WayneKerr Day 1,923, 18:59

Very rarely that we ever get a Top 5 filled with well written, decent articles anyway. Its the odd good one with 3-4 partisan voted articles day in day out. Most are sodding 'vote for stuff' articles anyway...

Send love to Plato
Send love to Plato Day 1,924, 23:14

I voted this comment just to teach you a bloody lesson young man!!!

GameChanger Day 1,924, 19:13

There's a problem here.

As a former MoHA, I can tell you that keeping your nose clean of bias is very important when writing articles. So, it would mean that any articles with political adverts or bias cannot be displayed. Currently, a lot of our media is tied to politics in one form or another. It would be very hard to maintain integrity while actually displaying the best of the week.

And, of course, one MoHA article a day (bought) will clog up the newsfeed considerably, and ironically make it harder for writers to get into the top 20.

However, I like the concept, and the fact that you bring a different perspective to the table

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