[eBE] ThomasRed : the Saddest Day...
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[eBE] ThomasRed : the Saddest Day...
Dear fellow citizens,
It's the middle of the night, and i'm here, in front of you, to announce a very sad news for our country. Today, the main party of eBelgium, Belgium for Belgians, is under a PTO theat. It's not the only party which have to face a threat, as three serbian citizens are running for Party President in three others parties. But there is a difference between the threat that have to face the BfB. This threat didn't came from abroad, but from eBelgium !
One week ago or so, the BfB have welcomed a new member, who was before known to be a BCP member and later a Res Belgica member. Even if the policy of BfB is to not let newcommers running for Party Presidence, (but to propose them instead an other function to let them discover the party and its interns rules), Critically decided to run for PP. In the same time, after a intern debate, the BfB asked Jamster737 to run and to become their new Party President and to lead the party toward new success.
Nothing was suspicious before today, when after few hours, Critically had already 5 votes and Jamster737 0 while BfB party members had already voted... Yesterday, the BfB had 14 members and Res Belgica had 13 members. Tonight the BfB have more than 25 members, and more than 25 votes have been casted too. I have been informed this afternoon that a lot of RB members and of other parties member joined the BfB to vote.
I was quite shocked, and i still have no words to describe how i feel tonight. While our country had to face a threat (even small) of foreign PTO and that Army orders were to hold his votes to help the three parties in danger, some belgians citizens have chosen to PTO a Belgian party.
Among these citizens, a lot of people for who i had a lot of respect and confidence. Sammy Tanghe, our last President, Medrolke, our forum admin and old Justice, Frostie, a soldier, Shadowukcs, the loosing candidate at the last two CP elections, Bertie Ahern, our State Secratary for National Security (!), Kabouter_Wesley, and so on...
I can't describe the ambiance of the BfB irc channel today, as everyone was so surpised, so sad, so shocked, so angry,...
I have also learned that the Res Belgica Party President was aware of this PTO attemps and that our MoFA Chris Stanwick also knew it, even if both refused to be part of his act of treason. So does Theneka, the communist leader.
Today, dear citizens, some Belgians citizens have chose to take the political control of a party there wasn't member of, to make a political take over. The very same day we needed votes to protect three of our others parties from a possible foreign PTO.
The redline have been crossed : there is things we can't accept. The political competition is what makes our political lifes interesting ! To fight with ideas, with programs, with solutions, it's what i called being constructive and it's what help a country to level up. To fight by unmoral and baseless ways, it's just a shame, and it won't help Res Belgica or the others parties to become bigger.
If Shadowukcs have been reported to me as the main investigator of this PTO attempt, and he did promised me hell when i win the last CP election (at that time, i replied to him to not take the country in hostage with his desire to make my presidency term a failure), several citizens have accepted to follow him. And it made me ask : why ?
Since the electoral campagn, the BfB and I had suffered from an heavy opposition. It have been said that eBelgium was an olygarchy of the BfB and that i was a real dictator. Shadowukcs didn't accepted the fact the BfB didn't supported him last month but proposed me as CP candidaite instead. He didn't find that fair because he said that it's not possible for a candidate to win an election if he is not the BfB candidate.
Why does the BfB candidate "always" win ? Because the Belgium for Belgians party is the oldest and most experienced party ? Because we have already proposed several successfull president candidate and congressmembers ? Because the BfB ministers are doing a great work in the government ? No, according the Opposition, as they called themselves, the BfB is only winning because we have many 2 clickers and sheepvoters.
I guess this is one of the reason they decided to PTO the BfB. Instead of recruiting new members, of publishing articles with new ideas and programs for eBelgium, to show their activity, etc, they decided to destroy what they think is the power of the BfB, the party.
One of the others critics we have been able to see on the forum is that i'm a dictator. As you know, i asked Slivever to become Minister of State of Companies, and for these citizens, it was a bad choice because Slivever was not active on the eBE forum and that it made him "a piece of incompetence". I have explained my choice to the Congress, and asked them to give Slivever a chance to prove he could be a good Minister. But a poll have been started, and on 15 citizens, 10 thought that Slivever should be replaced. As i refused to replaced him without having offering him Slivever to prove he was a good choice, the Opposition told i was a dictator who didn't respect the volunty of eBelgium.
The Opposition have also been incredibly active in the Congress to limit the power of the President : they proposed a law to force me to stay in eBelgium during my term of President. They also proposed a law to give power to the Congress to removed a Minister from the Goverment (while Ministers are “in fact nothing more than personal assistants of the CP, who is solely responsible for day-to-day running of the government. It should be 100% up to the CP how he delegates that responsibility and authority”, and if the Congress estimate i made mistakes, they can use the impeachment law if required - that's proposal have been declared unconstitutionnal).
One of the others problems is that some of these citizens also think that their voice is more important than the voice of the ingame players who are not active on irc and on the forum. These players, active ingame, working, fighting, reading newspapers, posting comments and shouts, don't desserve to be listenned because they made the choice to not be active on the forum/irc. I don't agree with that because i don't want to create a two class society, with a form of discrimination towars citizens who only play ingame. The citizen who votes for elections are not the citizens on the forum, but the citizens ingame ! And their votes have the same value than the vote of a forum user !
Quite ironic if you ask me, as the ones who want to have more power than the ingame citizens are the same that accused the BfB of being an oligarchy... It's also ironic to see that the ones who accused me of being a dictator and not respect the choice of the Belgians citizens are the ones who are today pto'ing a belgian party ! Is it the way they enjoy "democracy" ?
How to deal with the shamefull acts of today ? I really don't know, but what i know is that I won't level down myself to their level, and that i ask the BfB to continue to be an example of democracy.
To calm down the opposition, i can already announce that i won't run for Presidence next month. The BfB will maybe propose a candidate, or support an other party candidate. It's too early to announce it. I'm not power hungry, and i don't seek the power for the power. I never did. If i decided to run, it was because the BfB thought that Shadowukcs was not a good candidate for our country. He have shown his limits during his presidency last month, where he had a lots of difficulty to handle the french crisis and to manage the country in the same time. He have also shown to be disrepectfull and unpolite at many occasions, not the image the BfB want for our country.
How does we need to react to this act of treason ? Forum banned these citizens ? Fire them from the Army ? Fire them from their Government function ? Add them to the "Ennemy of Belgium"'s list ?
I don't think it will help our country to find back a good political climate, so i have a proposition : i would like to launch a debate on a congress government. Instead of having the CP making his government each month, i would like to propose the different parties to make the Government and to let to the Country President only the Foreign Affairs and the Defense department. How will it work ? To propose a government, parties have to get a majority and to propose a common program. In this case of figure, it won't be possible anymore in the future to have party with too many power in eBelgium, as he will have to share it with an other party at least. It will also make bigger the competition between our parties and give a real mission and goal to them. Of course, it's just a draw. But i think it could help our country to solve it problems. It worth the shot to debate of it.
See, Oppisition group, this is the way to be constructive. Please accept my proposition of dialogue, and let's all work for eBelgium instead of trying to destroy our community !
I have also heard tha the part two of the Shadowukcs' plan was to get me impeached. I don't know if it will get 66%, it's not the question, but i will find it quite sad as our country is currently living some enthusiastic hours !
My government and i have been very active, and we already accomplished a lot in only 10 days. Many articles from Belgium.Info, a good Government activity, the deal and the start of the Training Wars with the Netherlands, etc... I just hope that we will be able to continue on the same level !
It's now time for me to quit you, and here are the current results of Party Presidents elections :
Res Belgica : MaryamQ : 5 votes
Belgium for Belgians : jamster737 : 14 votes / Critically (PTO) : 13 votes
Belgian Democractic Front : Juan Cruz : 4 votes / Thore Thoreson : 1 vote / paskalino (PTO) : 1 vote
Belgian Communist Party : Theneka : 3 votes / Draganw (Serbian Citizenship) : 1 vote
eBe Groen Party : szigiri (PTO) : 3 votes / Kylero : 2 votes
L’Union fait la force ! Eendracht maakt macht ! Einigkeit macht stark !
ThomasRed,
President of eBelgium
[eBE] ThomasRed : the Saddest Day...
Dear fellow citizens,
It's the middle of the night, and i'm here, in front of you, to announce a very sad news for our country. Today, the main party of eBelgium, Belgium for Belgians, is under a PTO theat. It's not the only party which have to face a threat, as three serbian citizens are running for Party President in three others parties. But there is a difference between the threat that have to face the BfB. This threat didn't came from abroad, but from eBelgium !
One week ago or so, the BfB have welcomed a new member, who was before known to be a BCP member and later a Res Belgica member. Even if the policy of BfB is to not let newcommers running for Party Presidence, (but to propose them instead an other function to let them discover the party and its interns rules), Critically decided to run for PP. In the same time, after a intern debate, the BfB asked Jamster737 to run and to become their new Party President and to lead the party toward new success.
Nothing was suspicious before today, when after few hours, Critically had already 5 votes and Jamster737 0 while BfB party members had already voted... Yesterday, the BfB had 14 members and Res Belgica had 13 members. Tonight the BfB have more than 25 members, and more than 25 votes have been casted too. I have been informed this afternoon that a lot of RB members and of other parties member joined the BfB to vote.
I was quite shocked, and i still have no words to describe how i feel tonight. While our country had to face a threat (even small) of foreign PTO and that Army orders were to hold his votes to help the three parties in danger, some belgians citizens have chosen to PTO a Belgian party.
Among these citizens, a lot of people for who i had a lot of respect and confidence. Sammy Tanghe, our last President, Medrolke, our forum admin and old Justice, Frostie, a soldier, Shadowukcs, the loosing candidate at the last two CP elections, Bertie Ahern, our State Secratary for National Security (!), Kabouter_Wesley, and so on...
I can't describe the ambiance of the BfB irc channel today, as everyone was so surpised, so sad, so shocked, so angry,...
I have also learned that the Res Belgica Party President was aware of this PTO attemps and that our MoFA Chris Stanwick also knew it, even if both refused to be part of his act of treason. So does Theneka, the communist leader.
Today, dear citizens, some Belgians citizens have chose to take the political control of a party there wasn't member of, to make a political take over. The very same day we needed votes to protect three of our others parties from a possible foreign PTO.
The redline have been crossed : there is things we can't accept. The political competition is what makes our political lifes interesting ! To fight with ideas, with programs, with solutions, it's what i called being constructive and it's what help a country to level up. To fight by unmoral and baseless ways, it's just a shame, and it won't help Res Belgica or the others parties to become bigger.
If Shadowukcs have been reported to me as the main investigator of this PTO attempt, and he did promised me hell when i win the last CP election (at that time, i replied to him to not take the country in hostage with his desire to make my presidency term a failure), several citizens have accepted to follow him. And it made me ask : why ?
Since the electoral campagn, the BfB and I had suffered from an heavy opposition. It have been said that eBelgium was an olygarchy of the BfB and that i was a real dictator. Shadowukcs didn't accepted the fact the BfB didn't supported him last month but proposed me as CP candidaite instead. He didn't find that fair because he said that it's not possible for a candidate to win an election if he is not the BfB candidate.
Why does the BfB candidate "always" win ? Because the Belgium for Belgians party is the oldest and most experienced party ? Because we have already proposed several successfull president candidate and congressmembers ? Because the BfB ministers are doing a great work in the government ? No, according the Opposition, as they called themselves, the BfB is only winning because we have many 2 clickers and sheepvoters.
I guess this is one of the reason they decided to PTO the BfB. Instead of recruiting new members, of publishing articles with new ideas and programs for eBelgium, to show their activity, etc, they decided to destroy what they think is the power of the BfB, the party.
One of the others critics we have been able to see on the forum is that i'm a dictator. As you know, i asked Slivever to become Minister of State of Companies, and for these citizens, it was a bad choice because Slivever was not active on the eBE forum and that it made him "a piece of incompetence". I have explained my choice to the Congress, and asked them to give Slivever a chance to prove he could be a good Minister. But a poll have been started, and on 15 citizens, 10 thought that Slivever should be replaced. As i refused to replaced him without having offering him Slivever to prove he was a good choice, the Opposition told i was a dictator who didn't respect the volunty of eBelgium.
The Opposition have also been incredibly active in the Congress to limit the power of the President : they proposed a law to force me to stay in eBelgium during my term of President. They also proposed a law to give power to the Congress to removed a Minister from the Goverment (while Ministers are “in fact nothing more than personal assistants of the CP, who is solely responsible for day-to-day running of the government. It should be 100% up to the CP how he delegates that responsibility and authority”, and if the Congress estimate i made mistakes, they can use the impeachment law if required - that's proposal have been declared unconstitutionnal).
One of the others problems is that some of these citizens also think that their voice is more important than the voice of the ingame players who are not active on irc and on the forum. These players, active ingame, working, fighting, reading newspapers, posting comments and shouts, don't desserve to be listenned because they made the choice to not be active on the forum/irc. I don't agree with that because i don't want to create a two class society, with a form of discrimination towars citizens who only play ingame. The citizen who votes for elections are not the citizens on the forum, but the citizens ingame ! And their votes have the same value than the vote of a forum user !
Quite ironic if you ask me, as the ones who want to have more power than the ingame citizens are the same that accused the BfB of being an oligarchy... It's also ironic to see that the ones who accused me of being a dictator and not respect the choice of the Belgians citizens are the ones who are today pto'ing a belgian party ! Is it the way they enjoy "democracy" ?
How to deal with the shamefull acts of today ? I really don't know, but what i know is that I won't level down myself to their level, and that i ask the BfB to continue to be an example of democracy.
To calm down the opposition, i can already announce that i won't run for Presidence next month. The BfB will maybe propose a candidate, or support an other party candidate. It's too early to announce it. I'm not power hungry, and i don't seek the power for the power. I never did. If i decided to run, it was because the BfB thought that Shadowukcs was not a good candidate for our country. He have shown his limits during his presidency last month, where he had a lots of difficulty to handle the french crisis and to manage the country in the same time. He have also shown to be disrepectfull and unpolite at many occasions, not the image the BfB want for our country.
How does we need to react to this act of treason ? Forum banned these citizens ? Fire them from the Army ? Fire them from their Government function ? Add them to the "Ennemy of Belgium"'s list ?
I don't think it will help our country to find back a good political climate, so i have a proposition : i would like to launch a debate on a congress government. Instead of having the CP making his government each month, i would like to propose the different parties to make the Government and to let to the Country President only the Foreign Affairs and the Defense department. How will it work ? To propose a government, parties have to get a majority and to propose a common program. In this case of figure, it won't be possible anymore in the future to have party with too many power in eBelgium, as he will have to share it with an other party at least. It will also make bigger the competition between our parties and give a real mission and goal to them. Of course, it's just a draw. But i think it could help our country to solve it problems. It worth the shot to debate of it.
See, Oppisition group, this is the way to be constructive. Please accept my proposition of dialogue, and let's all work for eBelgium instead of trying to destroy our community !
I have also heard tha the part two of the Shadowukcs' plan was to get me impeached. I don't know if it will get 66%, it's not the question, but i will find it quite sad as our country is currently living some enthusiastic hours !
My government and i have been very active, and we already accomplished a lot in only 10 days. Many articles from Belgium.Info, a good Government activity, the deal and the start of the Training Wars with the Netherlands, etc... I just hope that we will be able to continue on the same level !
It's now time for me to quit you, and here are the current results of Party Presidents elections :
Res Belgica : MaryamQ : 5 votes
Belgium for Belgians : jamster737 : 14 votes / Critically (PTO) : 13 votes
Belgian Democractic Front : Juan Cruz : 4 votes / Thore Thoreson : 1 vote / paskalino (PTO) : 1 vote
Belgian Communist Party : Theneka : 3 votes / Draganw (Serbian Citizenship) : 1 vote
eBe Groen Party : szigiri (PTO) : 3 votes / Kylero : 2 votes
L’Union fait la force ! Eendracht maakt macht ! Einigkeit macht stark !
ThomasRed,
President of eBelgium
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Well said! Dignified and honorable. Thank you for your dedication and your patience. You need not sacrifice your political career for this event. This was totally uncalled for and some people crossed the line that shouldn't have been crossed.
I hope a more productive and constructive talk will be held instead in the future.
Good job TR!
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This is sad indeed. I was on my way to help Kylero in the Groen party but was forced to come back to BfB to stop the PTO. Those votes could've helped other parties. We let ourselves be vulnerable to PTO by giving into our greed.
x( this could've been really dealt with better!
Vaut zee hell iz this? PTOing ourselves?
\(O_o)/
Nothing has to be added.
Moreover this is a totally stupid attempt as some other parties were under a PTO threat, now we won't be able to save Kylero...
Shame to these persons. Shadow can't be president, he is an extremist with his army politic and wants destroy the country.
The pro-shadow = TheGroup
The BfB hate me for being a PTOer... Where have I heard that one before?
Sorry. This is obviously serious and I don't mean to joke about it, but I'm late for school so I'll write a proper response later.
Good article and all true BfB stands for political freedom and i think it is ironic how we have been PTO'd
Nothing forgives your treason, you are the shame of the country.
The revenge will come after.
It's truly cheap and easy to say stuff like:
"The political competition is what makes our political lifes interesting ! To fight with ideas, with programs, with solutions, it's what i called being constructive and it's what help a country to level up. To fight by unmoral and baseless ways, it's just a shame, and it won't help Res Belgica or the others parties to become bigger."
When everyone knows that you and your party always win the election, no matter what program you come up with (see LvL).
Like your friend slivever already said, the essence of the game is still played ingame. You used it (blabla sheepvotes), now we use or ingame powers.
I think it is sad to judge us, when basically you have no shame in using your ingame powers to the fullest.
BTW: I do respect you as our president, you can do great things (bad or good), but the way you and LvL got president, that just isn't right (if you really believe the values that you carry out in your article)
BfB are a bunch of oligarch destroying our democracy to stay in power.
BFB never make that... If we put members in others party's and put our pp... what do you thing about that???
You will have no representant in congress. You say BFb is a big party, but you have a part of congress too... you can put your candidate in the CP... you see the difference.
Xgentis : go to sleep with your stupid word. Go to talk with the theocrates thanks.
Elynea go back to France.
why belgians are living the country? It is because there are persons as you in the politics ^_*
It's not me who threathen peoples on the internet 😛
ThomasRED PRAIZIDENT !
Why is an official government newspaper being used for Party communications?
only readed the first paragrpah, no time to read it all atm, but seriously, HOW LOW CAN YOU GO!
PTO is allready bad, but this...
@thore : it is an information for all ebelgians, normal to use this one.
Are there people in the BfB chanel? Never saw that though xD
@theneka : erepublik is the forum? is irc ? no
The game is here.
WTF !!! It's a shame that those pseudo-belgians are trying to PTO a party of their own country just because they cannot recognize that the president is from BfB. It's a immature behaviour and those people should really consider to leave the country as they don't follow our democratic way to work.
too many parties for a small country, we had lotta PTO issues before we got wiped too.
This whole affair, including the threats to the Prez, makes me think eBelgium would be better as a dictatorship. Our country is being crushed in by the uneducated masses while the great job our president is trying to do is being mined under.
If we can't work together and not in-fight, then we are no better than the French we defeated. Viva la eBelgium!
Sammy... in all my time here in erepublik I have never seen a message that is more spot on and more correct than this. If I say "+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000^1000000" it still wouldn't be enough to describe how correct you are here
Just some words from a semi-active new player.
I haven't got the time every day to check out the forums and irc, let alone being involved in a long-threaded discussion. But I do read the news posts in-game, absorb and process it into being a loyal citizen. If votes are gonna go through forums and irc things will change for those loyal to our country and not always have the time to be present on forums or irc.
About the PTO I can't say much. Only that it is not the way to go in politics. In my dictionary it is called backstabbing. And backstabbers I don't like at all.
Just my 2 cents.
So Sammy... you find it perfectly normal to PTO a Belgian party just to prove your point? Sad, certainly for an e😜resident...
When will you stop whining (see your avatar😁) about BfB being bad because of those sheepvoters? Like you said it was with the support of BfB you gain presidentship. So now turning your back sounds very hypocritical don't you think? Just get over it and try to find other active people for your party. Also like you said, people from BfB moved to other parties. And sheepvoters won't play forever. And Shadowucks loosed with only a few votes less. If you had some patience and let everything goes natural, at the end you will have had a weaker BfB.
But no...
What you are doing is putting BfB more attractive for new players, because you show them as the outsiders of this country. And it's just natural that people choose the side of those who constantly need to defend themselves. So what you just did is helping BfB so you will need to start over and over again. Thank you Sammy & Co.
Maybe try first to talk before taking any actions against democracy.
a message from an OLDER e😜resident
Still, underhanded methods have no excuse. Why do you guys keep implying that TR is the only person in BfB?
How about us? Me, Pieter, Mitte, Jofroi, Olv, Elynea, etc (sorry if I forgot to mention you)? The BfB always make a decision as a party and I see no evidence in many false claims that TR is a dictator. He is NOT!
And also, we, as a party, always hold debates and dialogues with everyone in the forum. We try to be impartial in our decisions, and I for one, has been working to a procedure that can satisfy the so-called "opposition". But what happened? The opposition simply disregard other members of the BfB and their contributions and become bigots in this power struggle with a man who is not struggling at all (TR). So the way I see it, you guys are losing this battle that shouldn't have started but you started nonetheless.
AND, there are alternatives. Not just the underhanded methods used yesterday. Ie. public petitions with everyone's signature.
-- a message from a mouse.
What a stupid ppl, PTOing their partners, surely this guys need to learn to play eRepublik, they seems noobs. Shame on them.
Voted.
@ sammy, i was president before Ragoth and i was in the BFB, after i was always in the same party but i made an article for his election and I worked for him. we can vote for a cp from an other party it's not the problem.
the problem is not the party, it's an excuse, it's just a revenge, that's all.
To be fair, Ireland is being PTO'd by Brits!
Sorry but... I lol'd so hard.
"BfB are a bunch of oligarch destroying our democracy to stay in power. " XGentils
But, the only who speak ALL the time about power are not BfB members...
But, the only side who try to Pto an other Party is not BfB...
Perhaps, when you say "bunch of oligarch destroying our democracy to stay in power", you speak about what YOU are YOURS are ready to make for the power?
Perhaps...
Voted.
I stood some months in Belgium (United Netherlands in tht time), I'm sad with you.
Voted... Ever seen a country rip itself apart before?
a house divided cannot stand
Voted!
I left the eBE forum months ago because of the hatred I saw there. I like debates, but only fair debates. Hatred I do not like. I was on Belgian IRC a while ago. I saw someone getting banned there because some other who had the banning power had a hangover and did not want to see the one he banned. The banned one even did not say anything... I left the IRC disappointed that personal vendettas are more important than having a PUBLIC channel where people can contact each other.
I play a game, I want to contribute but only when it has nice parts. I was eBelgian before, I left eBE and the reason why, sadly, is still valid. I am now eUK citizen a far better place for me.
To improve eBE best would be to work constructive together without PTO-ing and blaming others for not getting a majority vote.
I do hope things will improve one day.
Xgentis t'es aussi frustré que le shadowsucks...
Le Blackshark même son propre parti ne le suporte pas alors vien pas me faire la morale lol
Blackshark have been elected 16 times as Congressmember !
He is the eBelgian player who have been elected the most times Congress...
He have lived many happy events in eRep, some more sad, and his voice desserve to be heard !
sad indeed, hope the best for my fellow friends ebelgians who have been so very nice.