[eBE] 10 months of immigration in eBelgium...
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[eBE] 10 months of immigration in eBelgium...
As you may have seen on www.erepbelgium.com, the Immigration subforum have been moved from the Congress private part to the Congress public part, making it available to read and comment to every members of our community. While I was going through it, i found a link to the eBelgium Immigration Sheet, a document kept updated by our Immigration officer. I thought it was the occasion to have a look back on our immigration and on the policies which manage it.
First thing first, here is the forum law adopted by the eBelgian Congress to manage our immigration ingame (law voted on 5th june 2013 with an amendment voted on 29th of july 2013) :
"All immigration requests shall be reviewed by an Immigration Officer, to be appointed by vote of Congress, and the Minister of National Security, to be appointed by the current President of eBelgium. The Immigration Officer shall be appointed for a term of three months and may serve for an unlimited number of consecutive terms.
A thread shall be opened in the immigration subforum for each request. Congress members may comment about these requests and vouch for any potential citizens who are known to them.
Within 48 hours, sooner if they feel they have sufficient information, the IO and MoNS will post their advice to accept or reject the request. If the advice is to reject, a reason will be given.
According to game mechanics, Congress members may accept any request. However, on the 24th of each month, the IO shall make a report, published by the government, showing who made requests, the advice of the IO and MoNS, and, if the citizenship was given, who gave it and from what party. This report should not include further comment, positive or negative, about these cases."
The Immigration officer named by the Congress is Tensa Zangetsu san and that is how he is working :
"1) The Minister of National Security.
It is normal in order to make the country safe. MoNS and the IO will work together for the safety of eBelgium.
2) The Congress
I will wonsider the advice of the congress. I send questions to people who apply for the citizenship. When I have the answers, I post those ones, and I start a vote, during 24h. It is just in order to give me an idea of who should be accepted for the congressmen of eBelgium.
When I'll have these advices, I will post my decision. It will be put before the name of the applicant. All will be noted in the Immigration sheet, which can be seen by the applicant.
For PTO threats, a "!" will be added after the status (in general, it will be [Accepted without approval]!) in order to be clear. In the immigration sheet, it will be written in red color."
Click here to access the eBelgian Immigration sheet.
The datas collected start at day 2318, so we can have a look back on 10 months of eBelgian immigration.
During this period, there have been a total of 134 requests. 62 requests have been accepted without approval and 38 of them have been tagged as pto threats. 39 have been accepted, 32 have been rejected, and one is currently pending.
The first information is that 61% (!) of our immigrants entered the country "illegaly". It is a huge number.
Here is the name of the congressmen who decided to accept immigrants without taking into account the belgian immigration procedure, in a chronological order :
Texas Cowboy X (3 times), nick nolte 2, Princess Rapunzel BE, ChristijanXD (2 times), Vladut georgel (2 times), Joep Hoep (2 times), Vincent Pain (2 times), Barabum (2 times), Marko Klis (2 times), Jdlf, Partigiano Giovanni, Aries Sun, Lioncoeur (2 times), Moses Liberator (2 times), Bolepleco, CRO PIKUTIK, ikikere, Sbyrn, Luigi BC, S V A R O G, SX80, FilipuBajsic (4 times), InterimoSRB (2 times), Kanselier (4 times), Santiago Junior, Martin Silni, poglavnik86 (2 times), Mickey B E, gunner69 (2 times), Director9, caperg, ZdravkoSRB, CendaBG, Aleksandar Dox Markovic, Sarmadzija, Teddy beer eBE, Olv007, specijalac88, Galileo 193, dzamaSrbin, Zumbiran, Amon, Kikinda.
It is interesting to note that several congressmembers who decided to accept citizens "illegaly" were actually "illegal" immigrants themselves, as we can see with the list of the 62 "illegal" immigrants :
Srbyn (serbian cs), Mislilac (thailand cs), bolepleco (serbian cs), RoyalBendas (croatian cs), InterimoSRB (swedish cs), Thanatos the Magnificent, Partigiano Giovanni (nigerian cs), LeoOoNidaSBiH (BiH cs), CRO PIKUTIK (dead citizen), Tony Clifford (swiss cs), Cynthia Romero (venezuelan cs), Vesk0P (bulgarian cs), Herr Hofer (croatian cs), Kutluk Mustafa Kajgani (dead citizen), AlanFordSRB (serbian cs), S V A R O G (montenegro cs), Ivan je Car 2 (estonian cs), mijatov92 (serbian cs), InterimoSRB (twice, swedish cs), crosoldier2013 (irish cs), FilipuBajsic, Malcolm Bricklin (banned), dejob (serbian cs), bnesa (serbian cs), specijalac88, Aleksandar Dox Markovic (serbian cs), Heisenberg BB, MisziPL (polish cs), e Poglavnik (croatian cs), Martin Silni, Sarmadzija (banned), Kikinda, Vividor Oportunista (dead citizen), Christijan I. of Finland, B B R S (banned), CendaBG, ZdravkoSRB (serbian cs), I love Plato (serbian cs), gunner69, Pilgrim17, Umberto90, xPhone (latvian cs), jieben22, CroKiller92, MaartenW, dzamaSrbin, GospodarVremenaKale, VojvodaRadomirPutnik (serbian cs), Galileo 193, Profesor Ludak, croco_zg, djole1122, Igoreckkkk (ukrainian cs), A d o n a i (chilean cs), Christijan I. of Finland (twice), Zumbiran, Plazmaca, Jovana111, Suomii, deus otiosus, Dragoljub Mihajlovic 1941 (russian cs), fardeen saiyyed.
Some observations : 3 of them are dead, 3 others are banned for multies, 24 are not eBelgians anymore (43% of the alive "illegal" immigrants), 26 are still alive and eBelgian. With such numbers it is hard to believe that the immigration in eBelgium is a success.
Almost none of these players are active on the forum, almost none have published articles in eBelgium. Many of them are silent citizens. On a personal level, I do not recognize a lot of names in this list. What are the motivations of these players to join eBE ? Influence politics, journalism (low activity), economy (no bonuses), possibility to held an important political position, retirement, help the military, etc... ?
What about the 39 accepted requests ?
HK416 (portuguese cs), xXxRonxXx (venezuelan cs), Soliso (dead citizen), MephistoHeineken (south african cs), Elynea, MisziPL (polish cs), Galeon Belgie (dead citizen), SIRIUS, Trito Fisher (irish cs), Alexandross, makases, Pablo Emilio Escobar Gavilia (account deleted), Galeon Belgie (dead citizen), Ayleo, cap. drake (italian cs), WhisperingSea (dead citizen), darkinou, Critically (dead citizen), Helviro (dead citizen), Ernest Bogdansson, Hygge, Gyantse (polish cs), Viridi, szenko1 (hungarian cs), Captain Outisz, Mr. Wonka, HK416 (portuguese cs), Chris1983 (norway cs), Biskwit, TroyTrojansCoach (canadian cs), Thanatos the Magnificent, SNIPER 55, Bekaccc (banned), Narlindir (croatian cs), Murat Monstrum, Cika Nikola96, Nova.Navid, Shmuel97 (iranian cs), Swilll.
Compared to the precedent list, there is more citizens who are known for their military/politic/journalistic activities in eBelgium. 18 on 39 (46
😵are still alive and eBelgian (the number could be higher without the belgians dead citizen).
So how can we explain the choice that some Congressmembers do by accepting in the country citizens which request have not been officialy accepted first by our Immigration officer ? Does the law is not fair ? Does the way we handle our immigration is not correct ? Does the threats of "illegal" immigration are non-existents ? Does the illegal immigrants have an hidden agenda in eBE ? Is this excuses to close immigration for the "elite" to keep the power in eBE ?
61% of "illegal" immigrants in eBelgium, 30% of them who are also accepting new "illegal" immigrants in eBE : even a blind would see that there is a problem. The fact that the next presidential elections will oppose a player who believe into the immigration policy and an other player who doesnt believe that the review of the citizenship requests by an immigration officer after inputs from Congressmembers on the forum is a good occasion to hold a debate about it and to solve a major issue in eBelgian politics. Immigration in eBE is not working, what are your solutions ?
Feel free to start the debate here with your comments, and to continue it on the national forum www.erepbelgium.com !
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ThomasRed
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thanks a lot, i made a little list but yours is really in precision. Good job.
Credits goes to Tensa Zangetsu san who manage the eBE immigration sheet. 😉
sure i will make him a whisper to congrats him 😛
And it is a pleasure to do it, for eBelgium and the eBelgian community!
HK416 (TBD), MephistoHeineken (R😎, Elynea (TBD), MisziPL (ATO), SIRIUS, Trito Fisher (UU), Alexandross(TBD), makases,(TBD) Ayleo(R😎, cap. drake (R😎, darkinou, Critically, Helviro, Ernest Bogdansson, Hygge, Gyantse, Viridi, szenko1, Captain Outisz, Mr. Wonka, (TBD-ATO-R😎Chris1983 (HOPE), Thanatos the Magnificent, SNIPER 55, Narlindir (ATO), Murat Monstrum, Cika Nikola96, Nova.Navid, Shmuel97
lol all citizens accepted with Zangetsu approval move to Evil - Axe from RB
only one Chirs1983 is from HOPE
Say no to this Forum rules
Of course all their given cs's were legal; and ours illegal.
Typical eBelgian hypocrisy and nepotism.
Aaaaah more complaining and whining from low level, low strength vote army 😁
Bg ato had that as well. Please be a bit more objective constructive.
Or is franckie a multi ass well since he stil is in d1?
@BelgiumGeneral: Your brains are in red; you are now running on reserve.
Santiago, why making it political ? You said you have the feeling you can never win in eBE, and that is maybe one of the reason there is a high % of "illegal" immigrants, to help with vote... ? But then, this is also maybe why you are not able to win : because the citizens see that you doesn't respect the rules, and transgress them. If the immigration policy doesn't suit you, you should have proposed an alternative, that would have been constructive and in the better interest of eBE.
I make it political ? this list is a copy paste from your article
@J.L.Torrente I highly doubt that since I'm currently using them to study
HUMMM
@BelgiumGeneral: I have compassion with you, naturally brains are used for studying, I can't deny that a for fact. Keep on studying.😛
Interesting article
Nice article 😉.
voted .. !!
Propaganda 3 days before election, but what is funny is see Thanatos and Tony Clifford 2 former Belgian CP in the list of illegal citizen
And for me this is a broken my reputation Dam i only accept one!!!!! 😮 what i will tell now to my friends ?
Look it again you have a bug in your computer
😃 Happy new year
I tried to stay as neultral as possible as I'm not involved in politics for a long time now. I put illegal between inverted commas, as "so-called" illegal... Trying to not point fingers at anyone. But there is some challenging numbers.
The goal of the article is to offer a tribune to pro/contra open immigration, and to propose changes/ideas/solutions to modify our current immigration policy which seems to not work.
he is jut the one who opened doors to the first illegal persons. He is at the begining of the problem.
*person no S to persons if you are talking about me,! if you good read Thomas tell you here that in 3 years i only accepted one friend without consult the forum, you should give me a reward for this 😛
V, je lirais demain soir 🙂
As long as The io isnt a committee It's biassesed. Something i've stated for a few Monts and which often clear To see. People even Got denied Just for beeing a certain nationality. If You want more People To follow official immigration It needs To Be more objective.
You must admit that 61% 'illegal' accepted people is a huge number, especially if you consider that a lot of them got elected as CM here.
And?It's An irrelevant percentage atm since immigration doesnt work. There are even cp's WHO Got elected illegally....
37% of "illegal" immigrants have been tagged as PTO threats, unlike the two former CPs. I'm not sure that the Congressmen who accept "illegal" immigrants are waiting for the IO to receive answers to his pm and to get feedbacks from Congressmembers. They accept it quite fast. Which is also part of the problem I believe. If they don't like the procedure, they should amend it in the Congress. Not bypass the law voted by the previous Congress because it doesn't fit them.
About pto that percentage is irrelevant as well. Cause It's NOT based on facts. People het a stamp based on enationality. Or are All chinese/mexicans/russians/...suddenly the Same... It's a biased Wet finger aspect. Which wint change that easily for known reasons.
What you said can be true. But then it is interesting to note 1/3 of the "illegal" immigrants are not eBelgians anymore, and that the majority of them are silent citizens who don't participate actively to the life of the country. When you check the "legal" immigrants, there is an % of citizens who are active, so somewhere, the choices made by the IO/Minister/Congress for the good of the country were not so bad.
That is something i objectivly can agree on. But It remains Wet finger work. Soms chap light Be a two clicker whitout good intentions. But that status of beeing a two clicker i dont want To See taken into account To determine If someone reserves our css Or NOT. It's NOT like we have 100 applications every month anyway...
Whit* damm need to stop reacting by phone. I got way to many errors typed out 😃
It doesn't matter if they are PTO'ers or not what matters is that this shows that CM's here don't follow rules and that attracts international PTO groups who monitor immigration activity and since we accept people even if IO gives negative advice well then we are a very easy target for them 😉
If your that worried there needs to be some mutual effort to make Io more objective and representive. Which will probably lower 'illegal' Cs (which doesnt exist but anyway)
Up untill now history proves me right. Only 1pto ER whit bad actions got accepted. So despite the badly working Io people use their Cs carefully.
History also shows that among the 61% "illegal immigrants", 30% of them didn't respected Congress rules neither on immigration, and almost all of them didn't played an active role in eBE. And a important part of all of these "illegal" immigrants also didn't stay for long in eBE. So can we call it a success immigration ? One of the question of the article is also why do they come to eBE if it is to stay silent, to not become active, to not be able to use high bonuses, to not become minister, to not publish newspapers, or to leave by after, etc...
Nice work o/
voted !
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The problem here : Santiago (eSerbian now) opened doors to illegal citizenship... after illegal citizenship were in congress and give again illegal ones....
We will not see the end if we don't share in public to the population the proof.
And we don't talk here about multies (they have two connections, two ip).
Proof? Proof of what? That immigration is biased? There is no ruling that determines someone deserves our Cs objectively or not. So its biased wet finger work. You can't acusse anyone whit these numbers but you can knowledge the problem....
The problem being you can never judge if someone deserves CSS or not unless you have an extensive objective history of that person (which is almost never)
You can be objective for one time now kanselier? Santiago has no problem to say he gave one illegal citizenship, if he is honest. It was the begining.
but i don't see your problem here, you are a real belgian no? You are not happy to see this article for your country?
What do you consider illegal? Is there a measurement for that?which can be applied to everyone whitout people need to give there opinion? You probably can't which makes the whole system fall apart.
Come to think about it why not talk about immigration in comgressmails. Most know that majority doesn't come to the forum anymore. And a lot of Cs applications only have a handfull votes. Often of the same people. How can you expect that to be objective and representing our nation...
Yes rl Belgian and happy to see this article. But not happy about the current system. It's biased non objective and given the low forum (io) interest not representive either.
Kanselier, it is indeed difficult to determine who "desserve" a cs pass or not, but that it is why the IO is sending a pm to all the citizens who made a request, to ask them their motivation, their goal in eBE, and others informations that can help taking a better decision. But because some congressmembers doesn't approve the procedure, they doesnt wait for the answers of the immigrant. Congress is also allowed to give their opinions. But the requests are already accepted before they can do so. Like I said, if Congressmembers doesnt like the procedure, they should propose an alternative to the Congress, instead of accepting cs wildely with no debates at all (and with some repercussions as 30% of the "illegal immigrants" also accept new "illegal" immigrants by after, giving reasons to the others Congressmembers to worry.
it's only 10 months Kanselier
http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/Belgium/citizenship/applications/approved/88
How much illegal on this page ?
Elynea you know every one who not will join The Belgian Dream is refused my the IO 😮
Christijan I. of Finland accepted without approval on the22 May 2013 and the Suomii 26 May 2013 by Christijan I. of Finland.
Only 3 days later ???
Elyne for me only one and that's thanathos since he is the only one I am aware off who actually did negative actions. The rest is wetfinger work till the opposite is prooved. You can't judge people on there negative actions if they haven't done any...
it' s easy to see who are in your side and accepted without approval, they endorse each time your article 🙂
And? It's logic as long as the io is controlled by your side and unindepent.... It's not shocking really