[CN] Bulgaria, Turkey - a Possible Solution
mihail.cazacu
At the moment I write this article the "Mexican Standoff" between Bulgaria and Turkey seems to be over.
The Turkish Congress made the first step by not answering with another NE law to the last Bulgarian NE proposal.
Boyan, the ex-member of EDEN HQ and a Congressman in Bulgaria, came with yet another NE proposal against Turkey. Since Boyan was known to the among the Bulgarians in favor of good relations between his country and Turkey, many were taken by surprise by his last move.
Once everything is over, I believe Boyan himself would explain the reason for it. For now it suffice to say that his actions are actually meant to help reaching a mutually beneficial agreement between Bulgaria and Turkey, without having any war. Those among my readers who like detective stories could try to find out for themselves how can this be done, before Boyan publishes his article.
So for now we can consider the crisis pretty much over, but the essence of the problem still persists.
More to the point:
1) Those who try hard to start a war between Bulgaria and Turkey will keep using the following lines:
- "Bulgaria doesn't have access to the resources of Iran, even though Turkey has those regions in duplicate and could easily give them up"
- "Turkey is blackmailing us to sign an MPP with them in exchange for those resources"
- "Turkey is blackmailing us to accept them in EDEN in exchange for those resources"
- "If Bulgaria cannot attack Turkey, Bulgaria is condemned to fight boring wars with Serbia and FYROM" (This one is particularly amusing for me, a Romanian who, just like the majority of the players in Romania, got bored to death by the last 1001 Hungarian-Romanian wars. All started by Hungary, without exception. Good luck to you guys if you believe the Bulgarian-Turkish Wars you so desire would be any different!)
2) The best way to counter the 4 reasons above is to avoid any logical explanations, because logic doesn't help much. The best way is to go directly at the roots of the problem and eliminate them:
- Turkey doesn't really need those regions so getting rid of them simply eliminates one reason the warmongers use;
- Turkey doesn't really need a MPP with Bulgaria as long as she has the other TEDEN MPPs. So there is little sense in insisting on that point, which only feeds the warmongers;
- Turkey can enjoy the benefits of an EDEN member even if it is not formally part of the alliance for now. EDEN and Terra's enemies are also Turkey's enemies and Turkey's friends are EDEN & Terra friends. It is therefore impossible for EDEN, Terra or Turkey to disagree on foreign policy or to attack the friends of the other side. A conflict similar to the Spain - Argentine war is missing from the Turkey + EDEN + Terra equation. Therefore is an act of wisdom to eliminate the third motive the warmongers use;
- If Bulgaria receives the regions of Mazandaran and Golistan, Razavi Khorasan, South Khorasan, Sistan and Balouchistan (regions Turkey doesn't need at all) then Bulgaria can easily have a truly interesting campaign in South East Asia, going after Indonesia. Not only Indonesia, the "eternal virgin"* would be "deflowered" also by Bulgaria, but the warmongers would be proven wrong once more: Bulgaria can have Turkey as a friend and still have interesting campaigns.
3) Soon Poland will have a common border with Turkey. Up until now we've only talked about avoiding boredom for Bulgaria. But the average Turkish players would soon get bored fighting in the Iranian and Arabian RWs. If the tensions between Bulgaria and Turkey disappear, Turkey will have an interesting war with Poland. Bulgaria had lots of fun crossing Ukraine and invading Poland. Turkey could do the same thing. Gladly.
My bet is that if Turkey continues on the path of wisdom, the warmongers form Bulgaria would lose all the influence they had until now. My best indirect proof would be to look at who would troll this article, swearing eternal revenge on the "Ottoman Oppressors".
So congratulations both to the wise Bulgarian and Turkish Congressmen for their skill of avoiding a disaster and let's see some steps forward!
* Indonesia is the "Eternal Virgin" since the time they refused to let their ally Serbia cross their territory to Australia (yes, that's how allies cooperated in PEACE, Phoenix and ONE). Why did they refuse? Because "the Indonesian territory is virgin" and they liked to keep it that way.
Since then the Indonesian "Eternal Virgin" got "deflowered" several times, last time today, by China. An eternal virgin is a true miracle, so I think it is fair also for Bulgaria to enjoy.
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>My bet is that if Turkey continues on the path of wisdom, the warmongers form Bulgaria would lose all the influence they had until now.
Turkey started with the NE proposals 2 weeks ago. You should really be talking to and about Turkish warmongers, who by the way are NOT part of EDEN instead of talking about our ally Bulgaria and what they should do.
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ShadowMJ, doing your best to rock the boat or what?
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rocking the boat is disagreeing with the eden puppetmasters who have lost all common sense but insist that what they say is right no matter if they are proved wrong?
if so, then yes
@ShadowMJ: Oh well then, have fun!
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p.s. he started 1st , thats way to childish.
good article all things have solution
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Wait....Where the f*ck have I put my condoms?
I hope we stay in EDEN ,but i thonk that is imposible if turkey will be inside too...
s1969
Boyan has 0 % respect in Bulgaria. 🙂
NE cu Turcia si MPP cu Polonia (ambele respinse la mustata)... santaj ordinar la adresa EDEN !
Bulgarii si-au cam luat-o in cap ....
I agree with the release of those regions. The swap with the Russian bridge (Volga) will be interesting though. I mean, everybody says it's not about bonuses, but they do matter on the long run - making your e-life easier (more food/weapons, easier to rank up). It could ease the tension. And if it doesn't do any good, well... bummer. :😁)
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@ShadowMJ we all know that you like to kiss Bulgarian ass but don't lie here about Turkey. Turkey never NE on Bulgaria unless they NE on Turkey.
Go kiss Bulgarian ass but never lie about Turkey.
Quite interesting.
rapind indo since 000 🙂
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jaymzhtfld you just attack bulgarians rented regions in Iran.When we was in the same alliance-Phoenix!
Show me please one happy ex turkish ally on all eWorld!
Just one!
Russia-veto in Terra!
Spain-veto in One!
Bulgaria-veto in Eden!
Go to the Hell Turkey!!!
heil TURKEY
heil BULGARIA
heil EDEN
a romanian soldier
Russia-veto in Terra!
Spain-veto in One!
Bulgaria-veto in Eden!
Go to the Hell Turkey!!!
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@Beroe
Actually ;
1- TERRA invited Turkey to join their alliance 3 months ago, with a unanimous vote of all CPs.
2- ONE invited Turkey to become a full member 4 times, but Turkey refused after the inclusion of Iran.
3- All EDEN countries (including Bulgarian CP) invited Turkey to EDEN.
4- Bulgaria's ridicolous childish actions make them isolated inside EDEN and their direction with that attitude is clear.
So, right now you can decide who can go to where : )
Bulgaria fights for ONE, while I fight for EDEN.
Bulgaria signs MPP with Iran (ONE member), try to sign with Poland -a law which Bulgarian CP sent to get attention-.
Bulgaria makes EDEN fight extra 200-300M because of their silly behavior.
The article should say; "Bulgaria get it together, or leave EDEN. Decide now, stop acting like Paris Hilton."
I'm done.
vise words my friend.....🙂
@Baroe don't try to manipulate what i said. am i talking about iran or past? No.
What i said is don't lie about Turkey about this NE issue against Bulgaria. if you don't have anything againt my words pls go away. Thanks 😉
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great article, support!
"Eternal Virgin"... HAHAHA!
Bulgaria, don't be a virgin too... and sign MPP with Turkey (remember latest NAP)
Boyan is the master cocksucker in Bulgaria, no one likes him, i don't know who put him in EDEN HQ.
I am a Bulgarian and I think this is genious. "Being bored" is not a valid reason to screw over the entire Alliance
Wise, objective and logical. All we need now is ppl who think like that...
i think no problem for eTr
problem is eBg
i still dont understand their problem with eTr
I am the one who talked about two regions with Bulgarians. Let Bulgarians explain it publicly. I never share logs etc but it would be great if they explain. Turkey and Bulgaria discussed the region problem in front of three EDEN representatives. NOW I hope that Bulgarians will explain these points;
- How Turkey was helpful in terms of two regions
- Turkey never wanted to rent/hire those two regions to Bulgarians, but gave it free.
- Turkey observed Ukranian's territorial unity, For Turkey, EDEN's sake was above all.
- There was only one precaution with Bulgaria! it was a MPP between Turkey and Bulgaria to lessen the aggression among citizens.
As a Turkish citizen, I am offering my kebap to Bulgaria unless they change their attitute.
Here is my kebap
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i will vote whatever misha writes : )
Good one.
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why the hell turkey would give these regions to bulgaria if they wont sign mpp or bulgaria still have veto on turkey : ) if i were eturkey citizen i wouldn't give regions too..
i dont like turkey but these article makes no sense.. its ONE-like solution in my opinion..
Best Solution is war. But bulgaria dont have balls xD
Best solution is signing MPP's with Iran and Poland, and sending NE laws all day to get attention.
Sound familiar ?
: ))
How about that?
A training war between Bulgaria and Turkey just to get rid of the boredom?
'cause this is the only reason that i want this war(me personally)
P.S. i don't want regions from them and i don't have nothing against Turkey.
@PlamenBG
Why not hitting all together for Bulgaria or Turkey whenever it's needed?
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Words of wisdom!
To All the trolls, concerned allies and ONE propagandists:
Bulgaria won't leave EDEN, don't worry ; )
Great article, vote and shout : )
"Turkey never NE on Bulgaria unless they NE on Turkey." Check this out!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/Turkey/law/96782
And here are the bulgarian proposals at that time
http://www.erepublik.com/en/country-administration/Bulgaria/5
Nothing cant change bulgarian position about eTurkey and reading all eden's propaganda "how good are turks" is just putting eBulgaria out of the alliance.
Dont you remember that eBulgaria was 100% dedicated to Eden BEFORE eTurkey issue. Eden's HQ underestimate bulgarian's feelings on eTurkey.
We dont run for war with eTurkey at all costs. The last NE proposals are cheap political moves of some bulgarian parties.
The real thing is that we wont accept eTurkey in Eden nomatter what will they do. This is our payback for them about previous issues between both countries. We are not like greeks who forgot whose their real enemy in game just for a couple of resources.
We've shown many times that we can sacrifice ourselves for interest of our allies. eTurkey've shown that they will sacrifice their allies just for bonuses.
I hope Eden's HQ will come to sense and will accept our veto. eTurkey should stay alone!
Bulgaria fights for ONE? Majority of the Bulgarians are horribly pissed off at EDEN right now yet whole day I'm seeing BG avatars in all EDEN prio battles, but surprisingly I don't see Turks there at all. Where are you fighting Turks? Or the deal with you is that is enough not to fight vs teden?
Oh and btw noone cares about Boyan in BG, he's totally discredited now because of his latest provocative actions, he's even considered as a spy .
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/forever-alone-boyan-1973945/1/20
peace friend