Follow up - Get some balls
Day 941, 15:50
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by OKayOK
Wow, I must admit that I did not expect the reactions that I got from my last article. Well, I did expect reaction, but not to such a degree. I will try address these reactions and I will attempt to clarify what was said by me.
The threat at hand?
As far as I am concerned the threat at the moment is minimal. I might be wrong here, but as a casual player this is the impression that I get.
Party Presidentials and their threat.
The party presidential elections are, in my opinion not an election that has a major resounding effect on the security of this country. If a Party is PTOed by someone that is undesirable that means that we have a party that has a bad leader. It is only the first step in a process that will eventually lead to a national threat. It is really easy to start a party, and if a would be PTOer wanted to they could do it right this second.
What do I believe about Democracy in eSA
I believe it exists and is strong. I believe that whatever problems we have in this country in terms of elections are small compared to some others.
What do I think of Mulderpf and the MoS
I think Mulderpf is freaking brilliant, and is the best man we could possibly have for the job. I think he is doing what he thinks is right, but I also believe that what happened during the PP elections was an over reaction.
What the F**k is Obscured democracy
We have active players in this game and we have inactive players. All players contribute in their own way and all players deserve to have a voice in terms of their party, congress and Presidency. Democracy is demostrated through free, fair and unbiased elections that represents the will of all players.
Can all parties in this country tell me that all their members are on the forums? If even one party answers no, then democracy was obscured. That is just a simple fact and I can say that because democracy was obscured for me! I am not active at the moment on the national forums and have not been involved in the running of my party, yet come election day I was presented with one candidate. The choice of this candidate was not made with my participation at all! The choice of this candidate was forced on me by the more active players, which kinda makes me feel like a second class citizen.
Why did I right the article
I wrote the article because one party that was running two candidates, the second candidate was labeled a security threat, even though absolutely no evidence was presented that he was a PTOer. This enraged me, and rightfully so.
What has been said
Stuff has been said in comments and articles and I would like to address them.
- in an article by the MoS he addresses why he did what he did. I would just like to point out that the MoS is doing a great job in the current climate. I understand that the MoS did not force anything on any party, but the reactions to a un-approved candidate was the outcome of the fear that we live in. If their is a threat that is so great that we live in a virtual State of Emergency, then could these threats please be published.
- In the comments, our honorably President says that the people that made the so-called accusations were not active in their party and did not know the mechanics involved. Zamrg, with all due respect, I understand it fully, and as I say, because I am not active in my party does not mean my vote, or my opinion means less. I also deserved to decide who would run for my Party President, yet I could not for the very reason you mentioned.
- In my article CyberWitch commented that I was pro him stepping out of the presidential elections to avert a threat. Yes I was. I have also had a very great understanding for the need of antiTO actions. Sometimes this obscures democracy for the betterment of all. But I think that if you read the article I wrote, I was saying that maybe we have had enough of it now, and that maybe its time we move on. Also, that presidential election was run fully democratic without incident.
My Rights
I have a right to write an article that makes people think. I will not censor myself and will not recant what was said. I consider all the people that properly are really angry with me friends and will continue to do so.
I hope that this article clarifies things.
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Great, now we have two idiots complaining about censorship...
That sai😛 Mark, I don't know you in RL or this game. I know you were president, and I know I voted for you. But, I don't care about the past. Right now, we are in the aftermath of a total PTO. We are being careful. You've said you aren't active on the forums, so, please stop being ignorant. You either don't under stand the situation, or don't care. Either way, shut up. What happened happened. It's behind us. So lets just drop this. If you can't, this will grow. Stupid things like this always grow into a big problem. So, if you can't stop this, shut up, and get the fuck out. Thanks, and have a great day.
look, you got Tenshibo pissed off. Way to go mark.
Ten, seriously, take a chill pill.
mark, precautions are needed, look at RL USA and the patriot act, that has solved countless problems. Now when the time is opportune, things will go back to the way they were.
Tenshibo, Ah, don't hurt me please o_O
Crazierinzane - I hope so, I am actually up to my eyeballs with PTO crap and have seen this country wiped out twice. But we cannot always play the game this way.
Sorry Craz: I have three things I deem mortal sins: Idiosity (is that a work) ignorance, and hypocrisy. In my eyes, Mark has commited all three.
Explain?
Well: How you were an idiot: You expressed a 100% valid opinion, which is good. But, you did it in a terrible way. I'm sure you've seen long long long arguments stem from the kind of article you posted.
How you were ignorant: You haven't been on the forums to see the whole/read about the situation. So, key information you missed. Also, you weren't in the party where this issue arised from. So, you don't know if there was a huge election for who would be the PP.
How you were a hypocrite: You are saying that you are a true, south african lover (which, I'm sure you are) But, if you are, you would see and react to the fact that we are a target. Anyone of the millions of people who want us to fall, slip, etc. are there so they can swoop in and make us pay for it. How is that not obvious?
Again, this article was not trying to stir anything up. I am fully entitled to my opinion. Your comments are the type of things that stir up long arguments.
Second - How long do you think I have been inactive for? I was MoIA last term!!!! I play the game daily. The fact is, if there are people that don't visit the forums it is undemocratic to conduct the election there. That is a fact. So tell me, are all the people in the party you belong to on the forum?
With regards to you telling me I'm a hypocrite, I think that I have enough experience with PTOs that would make me an expert compared to you. And by the way, I have no desire to make FA fall, get over yourself.
Mark, to be honest, I have no idea about your activity. I'm going off what you said, and you said you are not very active on the forums.
Next, technically speaking, I am not part of a party atm because I am in ST6, so I have to be on the move. And, if you want the specifics of my party, the NPSA, hit up Stryke Blayde.
Third, I think you are misunderstanding me. I didn't say that you want to make FA fall. In fact, I have no idea where you got that idea. Maybe your subconscious? (yes, now I'm saying so just to be a prick 😛)
Fourth, do you know me at all? How can you say that you 100% know more about PTOs than me? In fact, I know quite a bit about them, how people have done them in the past, and how people who conduct them could've done them better. IMO, when done using legal game tactics, it is the most effective form of warfare. So, I try and learn as much as possible about them.
So, Mark, maybe you should get over yourself. I've tried to be moderately civil with you. When I have said something negative, I've defended it with reasons. You used to be a big shot, you were president, you were a congressman 4x, and a very well respected member of eSA. But, now you're nothing. Now, you're just a mindless two clicker living in the past who either needs to put up or shut up.
Mark i understand ur fustrations, I so happen to be the candidate that was so called forced on u in the recent presidential elections. I must say though there was pre discussions prior to the election and putting myself forward as a candidate. If something is forced on u, in reality u can withhold ur vote. Will i tackle this new position to the best of my ability? Yes indeed i would.
I also understand that we cannot all be active all the time, I know all to well that we all have RL. If u feel i was not the IDEAL candidate in your party, you just need to voice that opinion in a true democratic fashion.
I intennd to stick to the parties ideals and vision and will ensure that i do the best i possibly can during my term. Support me or don't. I still however would value your support.
Thanks
tenshibo speaks for himself and himself alone.
Though I disagree with Mark, he has done nothing wrong in expressing his opinion. eSA is not eNgland or eSweden and our citizens can speak their minds in a responsible way to their hearts content.
Now that i've said that in a peaceful way,
Tenshibo take a fraking chill pill X 2
Ari, I am calm. I know I speak only for myself, I have not said I represent anyone. I understand with my first comment I did not set this up for a calm debate. However, with my second and third ones, I did try to stay civil, and I think I did that. But, Mark called me out basically when he said I need to get over myself. So, I am to respond to that. I am not one to sit there when others say things I deem negative, whether it be to me or my peers. And, I am fine with Mark expressing his opinion, but there were better ways for him to do this other than trying to smack around eSA by saying we need to get some balls.
"Can all parties in this country tell me that all their members are on the forums? If even one party answers no, then democracy was obscured."
Then by that logic, democracy doesn't exist in eRepublik at all, as every party of every country has those people who don't join the party forums.
I agree with Mark on this article and what it means... I have lived through a few PTOs here and I have seen the security threats that come here each and everyday (in the past). Plus, proof is needed before stating such an egregious charge.
Do I go to the forum each day? no, but sometimes, it is not possible... which is why we have subions to the major country papers to aid in educating us eSA citizens. YES?
I have not read his previous article before writing this, but this comment is on this article...
*sigh*
"As far as I am concerned the threat at the moment is minimal. I might be wrong here, but as a casual player this is the impression that I get."
wrong, it's the impression our enemies want you to get.
"The party presidential elections are, in my opinion not an election that has a major resounding effect on the security of this country. If a Party is PTOed by someone that is undesirable that means that we have a party that has a bad leader. "
wrong, it means that should that party be in the top5, they are able to run candidates for congress and we wouldn't be able to run blockers under that party.
"I wrote the article because one party that was running two candidates, the second candidate was labeled a security threat, even though absolutely no evidence was presented that he was a PTOer. This enraged me, and rightfully so."
I think you need to clarify who labeled this candidate a 'security threat'. The article you speak of was released by the outgoing party president who had followed the suggestions of the MoS to hold a provisional election on their party forum and propose a single candidate.
You 100% have the right to express your opinion on the issue but please, for the sake of your image and those you question, make sure your facts are right before chewing heads.
I think the majority of our citizens understand the need to take such extreme measures and keep our guard strong all whilst preserving the democratic process.
Also, there is no democracy even in RL. At least in many countries (I don't know south Africa). The parties have a set of candidates, and then they vote by post, or internet. But, if you are a pasive member, you will of course not notice the elections. I am a pasive member of a political party in Spain, but I never participate, I never vote. Can I complain about my party not being democratical? Not, because it was my choice not to get involved. Can I say it isn't democratical because at the moment of the elections I didn't have internet? nope, they are not going to change the date for one member (and besides, here there are game mechanics), and they don't even know that. If you are not involved in the forum, then you can't complain about this, because of the same reasons.
Also, if you have that experience about PTOs, you will know that right now there isn't calm. It's just that the PTOers whant you to think that there is no PTO. You are acting as the PTOers want you to act. You should know that. If you think we are incorrect, then you should revise what you know about PTOs.
Also as far as I am concerned you pulled the information about the PP elections and the one person being deemed a PTO threat from the Closed Chambers in the congress section of the forum. The #1 rule for that section is for nothing to leak out of it.
Plus you can not call this election undemocratic ust because voting was held on the forum first. As said above, people have the choice to participate in their parties forum and they have the choice to even vote. If someone doesn't take part in their parties forum, then that is their fault. They still have the ability to vote, but they didn't exercise it. You make it seem like post Civil War USA when states made laws to make it near impossible for African Americans to vote.
You have a right to express your opinion, but I know full well if I posted something against the beliefs of most to country, I would be flat out told my opinions are wrong. So... your opinion is wrong.
Mark Morcom is a boob
You are 100% correct Mark. You do have the right to write your article your way. And express your views. And I understand both sides views.
The question is,.... can we walk a middle ground and make everyone happy. Keep the country safe and still be democratic.
Whatever the topic, I support Mark's point of view, as I know he always carries eSA's interests on his eHeart. So, when I read things like
"😉on't vote for