All Our Regions Back the Old Fashion Way
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by Exalted Druid
The war module is over for us because we have gotten a NAP with Spain. No worries though, 40 people get to play congressman, so all is not lost.
I have argued since Spain’s first NAP offer we should take it. Our most vocal citizens declared they would rather light themselves on fire then ever except a NAP unless it meant all of Canada’s territories. It took 7 more months of “wipe” for people to finally agree to a NAP. Mostly because most the “fire burners” had left the country by then and those in charge actually decided to take charge for once.
The NAP to me was never an end. It was a strategic move until something significant happened and we got a chance to get all our regions back. Our goal has always been to get all our regions back.
Now I read people want us to get our regions back by joining ACT/TWO. To me this means we will have to suck Spain’s tiny member for months, if not years. If we do a good job, they might just grant us our regions back.
Our very country that swore we would never accept a NAP without all our regions being included, now acts as if the NAP is the most precious thing in the world. We should of took the NAP after month 1.
The NAP should not be seen as an end, but the beginning of us getting all our regions back. We are finally in the same alliance as the rest of North America. There is a direct war between Spain and the USA about to begin.
Just 30 days ago we would of given our eye teeth for this to happen. Now we all stand back protecting our precious NAP that most of us swore, we would never accept in the first place.
Now, I certainly do not think it would be in our interest to violate our NAP, but for crying out loud, this is a war game. We finally have some allies that can hit hard.
I for one, am not going to be sucking anyone’s tiny member to get our regions back. I'm going to help our allies, and see where the chips fall.
The MPP’s are in place, the NE’s have been declared. There is nothing anyone can do to change that. I don’t care what our government or the rest of you decide. I'm fighting for our allies, our friends, our brothers. I want our regions back the old fashioned way, not by sucking d……
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I'm all for getting regions back BUT I want some assurance that we will have the same degree of support we have given to others while being invaded *cough* USA *cough*
If there is support and it is iron clad, then let's go, but without help, we're better off dealing with what we have until we can fight back.
We are in an alliance with a whole list of countries, not just the USA. I would think alliance means the same thing to all of them as it does to us. Circle of TRUST.
I've said it before and I will say it again...I hope your right, and I want you to be right, but all the evidence of recent history suggests otherwise. Don't get me wrong...I want this to work but the skeptic in me says that this is another one night stand. I wish I had your faith my friend, but I'm too cynical right now to drink the Kool Aid
Beer Acacia. I'm drinking beer. After a few you will think we can conquer the world.
Before eCan joined CoT, what did CoT commit to eCanada with respect to regaining its regions?
eCan entered into the NAP because it provided a lot of regions, way more than it could gain "the old fashioned way" and way more than our alliance, Asgard, could assist us in regaining. eCan has always demonstrated that it is prepared to get itself wiped to support an ally, what are our allies in CoT prepared to do to get eCan more than it has now?
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I want to tank for eCAN. Let's blow someone up!
we can fight for the USA via MPP and RW, attacking Spain head on will only lead to another wipe out to be honest, then going back to occupation for long months, we just don't have the numbers like the eUS as they have a better chance than us at securing a congress ..
I said we should not violate the NAP. Just do exactly what your saying. I'm not advocating going total Rylde just yet.
But going total Rylde is fun
going total Rylde is retarted
If us, that had 3 enemies on our soil achieved victory, I'm sure that a NA united can do a lot of things. Big things.
The gangbang to Spain won't let them support all the RWs
"It took 7 more months of “wipe” for people to finally agree to one."
And it's been one month (or so) of NAP, so maybe in another 7 we'll be ready to kick the fence down. Plus I see your 1-month role in both situations has remained the same. : )
How important is protecting Congress for eCanada? Do we value it more than fostering connections with CoT/eUSA? Does eCanada gain more esteem by honouring a treaty with a powerful nation or by putting itself on the line for a semi-committed ally?
I got no answer to these because all outcomes seem valid depending on how you spin it. Dammit, where's that crystal ball we used to lower taxes! This situation is more serious but there's no answers.
http://lisadelay.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/magic-8ball.jpg
"How important is protecting Congress for eCanada?"
Pretty important. The nation agreed to cede four regions to do it, and sign a NAP submitting to the biggest group of pig assholes we have ever known.
"Do we value it more than fostering connections with CoT/eUSA?"
eCan tried to foster relations with both CoT and eUSA but it was met with lukewarm interest and even indifference in some cases, but back then eCan needed CoT and eUSA more than CoT and eUSA needed eCan. Now its a different story. eCan has carved out a much better worse case scenario and is not interested in a booty call from Fairweather Johnsons (CoT and eUSA). What is in it for eCan?
"Does eCanada gain more esteem by honouring a treaty with a powerful nation or by putting itself on the line for a semi-committed ally?"
eCan maintains esteem by keeping its word. We signed a NAP. We were forced to sign a NAP because eUS and CoT did not consider eCanada honourable enough to assist.
I just want to reshout here what Addy said because it rings true..
We HAD to sign a NAP because the eUSA and COT did nothing to help us..
They sat there for 8 months doing nothing...
Why the hell should we bend over and break our word for them now?
oinyo don't speak in absolutes. some people in the united states and abroad attempted to help us. Do not forget the billions of damage from people who are not eCanadian.
@ T.E.
Agreed, some people did, and on a person-to-person basis there are loyalties and commitments to deal with.
From one country's government to another is a different story.
It's a shame I can only vote this once.
The more I learn about the options out there (from one group pig assholes to another group of uptight CoTholes) the more I don't like much of anything we have chosen so far. Hoping there are better options in the future because this is pretty depressing.
Thanks for the detailed answers.
I agree with a lot said here. Spain is the enemy. Not the babysitter. They should at the very least be see as hostile, not honorable deal brokers. Anyone that has ever had the distinct displeasure of actually dealing with them knows were I'm coming from.
Plus, the use of tiny member twice. I tip my hat to you sir.
Thanks for that. Most their governments would not even give us the time of day, little mind show up to a meeting they had agreed to.
Or disappear for weeks. Or claim you had a deal only to have them reject the same deal next week, or go through 3 weeks of mind numbing meetings only to have them toss the whole agreement in 30 seconds. They are either very incompetent or very bored.
I don't remember what the name of Spain's guy in TWO HQ is. but Rylde sure pissed him off. It was defiantly personal with him and he took it out on all of us. He did all he could to prevent the NAP. He is the one who insisted on all the changes right to the end. Hoping he could stop it.
Funny how butthurt he is and carries such a grudge yet I don't even know who he is or remember.
Well thats the problem rylde, everyone seems NOT to forget who you are lol
think it was http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/5608340
cats!
it's always the cats, carrying out the nefariousness
voted our taxes are already down and if a wipe does happen it will happen over a couple of days in which we can empty our treasury to all MUs to upgrade and prepare for war once again lol who knows maybe next month Spain has a loco president that hate canada?!?! ahahah
so many mistakes i wish i could edit......
I always leave words out because my brain still sees them even though I did not type them.
I do that too...
A pretty interesting idea is congress members contributing to the war effort donating their 5 G thus compensating our lack of numbers with better armament.
No need to punch me man, just a suggestion!
Smashing the vote button so hard I'm bleeding!
"I for one, am not going to be sucking anyone’s tiny member to get our regions back." well looks like you are about to suck Murikas once more, twice in 4 months nice, lets hope they dont make you swallow this time
No idea what your talking about. I believe in this strategy. CoT is not just the USA. We joined CoT not the USA. We already had most these MPP's in place before we put CoT after our name. . We never lost a single ally with this move. We gained a few. Join ACT/TWO and we loose every single ally. We turn our backs on every ally that fought for us, lent us money. I will never do that. The USA is just one equal member of the alliance. Read the CoT charter it is awesome for a small country like us.
And the USA packs a huge member compared to that tiny thing Spain is packing. i might choke.
Your a cleverer man than that ED. The eWorld has changed since the last time you got congress. Enemies are now friends and friends have become enemies. This is a chance for eCan to build a new image. The only reason Spain granted you regions was due to your high working rax rate and TWO/ACT members making a case for you. We did more for you and gave you more regions then any of your previous allies did...
Things are always changing. The massive imbalance in the eWorld is destroying the game. and will not last forever. The only valid reason for joining ACT/TWO is to speed up eventual collapse.
I dont normally get involved with writing a comment on here,just like to read about others views.
I for one thought that while we were wiped by Spain, our close neighbours (brother) USA did very little to help us out considering the size they are, what US citizen that did fight to help our cause were ex Canadian citizens that went scurrying off to the US when we were wiped........funny now that we have a half decent Nap in place and the US are in big trouble those that went to the US are back in Canada........will you be going back to the US when or if we break our Nap and get wiped or will you truly show Canada that you intend to stay........I put this country first in good and bad times........never been a little rat that leaves the sinking ship
And they all come back to tell us what to do again.
uhhh, you TRIED to get the regions back the 'old fashioned way' for 8 months. How'd that go? Or are you forgetting already?
I still trying and nothing is over. If we had taken the very first NAP offer we would be 7 months ahead of now. We would still have some balls. left.
Okay man. Don't get upset if we get re-wiped then.
I do want to avoid it, but I believe today, we are in a way better position to make life miserable for whoever does. I'm not saying we NE anyone or RW our territories back
To answer this entire article:
"As the NAP does not limit us to fighting in MPP battles, there would be no consequence of fighting for allies." -- klop123 (Day 2130)
So fighting in MPP's is not against the NAP.
Fight all you want in the eUS vs eSpain campaign.
People are to afraid to even piss on Spain's fence.
Takes balls to poop in their boot, too.