[South Africa] UNITY!
Oceanus
Negotiations Cancelled!
Today the fruits of our labour in a month of talks with Brazil, the re- posession of Mpumalanga and Limpopo through diplomatic means, was thrown to the wind. This morning I had put aside an hour or so to reorganize my ambassadorial corp to send envoys carrying the word of eSouth Africa's return to the eWorld. I was shocked to see that no resistance war had started. Why I asked?
Yesterday I was informed by Ines that SAIB had become dangerous and was jeopardizing negotiations. I was disturbed by the thought and resigned from the SAIB. I chose to take Ines' word on it and trust an old friend over my recent acquaintance Hollysglad. I decided to investigate in the morning.
The SAIB
I woke to Ines' article here:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-south-africa-hollysmad-will-fail-837158/1/20#comments
"The Brazilian party South Africans in Brazil (SAI
😎has lead to talks with Brazil being suspended"
Was the line that stuck out. I didn't feel like dealing with it. I cancelled my plans for the MoFA restructuring, trained, fought (reached Captain today!), worked, organized my new Polish Weapons company, found an investor in Zagarius (Thanks!), messaged my new platoon (The fighting fourth!) etc... and then signed off. ..
Throughout the day my mind continued to wander back to the SAIB. Was Holly really planning a PTO? I do know from PMs that her election planning wasn't completely straightforward. She had included diversions and strategical candidate placement. But who can blame her? South Africans as Brazilian citizens by default have a right to political representation. Brazilians would feel threatened and I assumed that she was simply balancing the odds a bit to allow for SAIB votes to count more towards their chosen candidates within the original territories of South Africa. I still stand by this. I didn't always have a high opinion of Holly, but she is not stupid enough to think that she really could have PTOd Brazil. I do believe that she only desired South Africa's rightful representation within Brazil's congress.
Brazil
*angry voice*
And so. Brazil cancelled negotiations like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum because they did not get everything that they had wanted. Had they not wanted us to settle in and accept our part in what they called the "Brazilian Empire"? Did they really feel so threatened by our participation in their politics? And if so, why would they punish SAIL which did not associate with SAIB, and had been working on peaceful negotiations?! Brazil got our cooperation, we stopped the press takeover, and many of us stopped the economic sabotage, all under the assumption that if we played along we were helping negotiations.
I'm beggining to doubt whether Brazil ever intended to return our regions. Cavalcanti must have been looking for any reason he could find to just cancel everything, and he found it in what he perceived as a TO attempt in the SAIB. Brazil gave us another stellar example of their tyrannical mindset today. They could have done the right thing, but why bother when they can do whatever they want, right? After conquering us through PTO, what I consider a glitch in the game's function, and not even giving a fair fight, they now rule over us in this manner deciding to throw away our month of hard work on some silly excuse.
Unity
Why, if they decide that they can just stop negotiations on a whim, should we play along at all? And why should we be throwing blame at eachother and not at the Brazilians themselves? We shouldn't be. Don't let this tear us apart. I'm angry that the negotiations didn't go through like everyone else, but in the end I blame Cavalcanti and Brazil.
I'd like to quote Holly on this. A shout that sent pangs of guilt through me when I realized how I had just finished denouncing her in a PM.
"Cavalcanti you said it best on the forum. "What better way to tear up a group then from the inside" :C" - Hollysglad
Communication
One thing that must be mended is a general lack of communication and transparency on all sides! Newspapers, PMs, The Forums. Its all that we have left as a community in exile. We need to make full use of these things. I doubt that Holly and many of the other people involved in the election planning even knew about negotiations. I myself only heard of the possibility of regaining regions about four days before it could have happened. If we had stressed to them the importance of not threatening the Brazilians, all of this could have been averted! But instead, almost everyone was kept in the dark. I spend alot of my time these days answering confused PMs from common citizens wondering exactly what is going on. Nobody seems to know, and I only do myself because I ask Ines every time I'm absolutely befuddled. (like that time I was sent to Malaysia and nobody explained why. HIRESHMONT! *shakes fist
😉We need to start writing more articles, sending more PMs, and spending more time on the forums!
What Now?
We have played along now for months. Many of us have swallowed our pride and have pursued the goal of peaceful negotiations. But the time has not come for us to "regurgitate our pride" back up all over the Brazilians for failing to follow through. We simply do not have the power to retake our lands with anything other than words and outside support. We are a smaller community that has been swallowed by a larger one. Numbers seem to matter more than anything in eRepublik, and we simply don't have them. We must continue to pursue negotiations that will lead to the return of territory. And with better communication, maybe this time it will be possible.
But if Cavalcanti thinks that he (or she?) can continue to toy with us, getting us to play along while he stalls any real results from talks, then we must do everything possible to violently oppose our oppressors. If we determine that talks are impossible then we must restart the Press Takeover, restart the economic sabotage, and actively work with Brazil's enemies to bring them down! And I would throw my full support behind SAIB to cause any strife we possibly could within Brazil's government. We could be a constant thorn in their side. We all have connections! If we contact them all who knows what sort of dastardly plot we could put into motion rolling Brazil's way.
Until that time comes, play nice! : )
We can be good to you Brazil! So long as you give us two regions back, we will play along. What difference does it make to you? You will still have high diamonds from Gauteng! All we ask for is Limpopo and Mpumalanga. I read the treaty and it is very reasonable, don't abandon it now.
,Oceanus
Comments
Nicely done... VOted!
great article and not just for mentioning my name!
Very good article!
Voted!
Written by a true patriot. We all have felt the same this past day.
Voted and signed.
Voted.
Blame your mindless friend "Holywhatever" who brought this situation upon everybody.
If you are so regarded about this, why don't you make something and lead everyone to a talk with the brazilian government?
It's easy to someone complain and create articles saying a lot of stuff, but it's not easy to someone take courage and help everyone trying to solve it, aint I right?
If you are so concerned about everything, go ahead and re-take negotiations with government.
Creat articles threating wont help to solve anything.
You should take off the arrogance goggles when rereading this article, Brazilian.
@Lorenzo Lopes: Articles are mass communication and information. They add perspective. I felt that this whole mess needed to be sorted out, I wrote this article to clear some of the fog off the issue and facilitate forward action. Saying that they don't solve anything is wrong. Also that threat only applies to Brazil if you choose to be unreasonable, so you shouldn't be afraid, right?
I always feel so overwhelmed by all the kind compliments I get from all the good people out there in the eSA community. Before I go to bed (its late where I am, 😃 ) I want to say thank you to everyone who has commented already.
Do your part and try to solve too, simple as that.
Esteban, you should get some "goggles of inteligence" when waking up.
Voted!
Lorenzo, was that an attempt at irony or did you actually misspell "intelligence?"
Voted
Esteban, I'm dumb, so I actually miss a lot of words :/
Ah, and I'm arrogant too 😃
Schumacher cannot possibly be held accountable for the actions of every single eSouth African out there. With that in mind I'm inclined to agree that Holly's TO-threats was nothing more than an arbitrary reason to halt the negotiations.
Riviera: You're not making sense! Are you saying that Oceanus cannot propose solutions if he's not acting them out at the same time? You really should read the article again.
All that I'm saying is:
It's easier to just propose something and see "the circus in fire" than actually go and make something.
So I suggested him to:
As he's so good speaker (at least his article shows it), would be good to have someone like him to talk with the brazilian government.
And then I ended telling him that threating is not a good way to solve anything.
Voted. I'm not awake yet, though 😉
voted signed.
Oceanus I couldn't have said it any better, this article relfects my feelings exactly. Communication is the key to success
@Rico -"Holly's TO-threats was nothing more than an arbitrary reason to halt the negotiations"
come on now
Well, I think the most important thing in this article is that we don't write enough articles and keep everyone informed on what is going on. I know that negotiations are fragile, but we need to get our media going on what people can do and where they can help.
Voted. Well Said.
"And so. Brazil cancelled negotiations like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum because they did not get everything that they had wanted."
We have all we need...
The ones that dont have nothing, who are trying to get territories back are you, South Afrikans...
😉
"We have played along now for months." It's been 1 month! 🙂
I tried it one way, now we have the possibilities to try other ways. I've been portrayed to be very narrow-minded in my approach which isn't true. I've just brought one idea through to completion so now I'm willing to keep trying or try other ideas.
The issue with Holly isn't so much that Brazil chose to cancel negotiations because of her, cause we made it clear SAIL is not associated with SAIB. And yes, I agree it is an arbitrary reason for Brazil to cancel them, I'm pretty sure it has something to do with division.
The problem we are finding is the scheming of a PTO without SAIL's knowledge after we agreed eSA would not sink to the same level as Brazil. So I don't think Holly can talk about eSA's pride in negotiations when she isn't representing it herself in her actions. She was on the SAIL forum and only chose yesterday to participate basically telling us she's planned a PTO with USA support so there. Which is a lie since USA told her no.
I don't think we can trust her as leader of SAIB any more than we can trust Brazil. There's always a few rotten apples. And after calling me a "tool" and telling me to get my head out of my ass me and her aren't exactly best friends right now. 😉
Anyway I've expressed my willingness to explore other avenues of getting our regions back. Any suggestions are welcome. Just PM me. One of the suggestions I get from this is that SAIL needs to communicate more. Noted.
Like I said it may seem like months, but it's actually only been 1. Let's all have a little bit more patience. Communication is key. I have learnt that lesson and I hope so have others.
"I'm beggining to doubt whether Brazil ever intended to return our regions. Cavalcanti must have been looking for any reason he could find to just cancel everything, and he found it in what he perceived as a TO attempt in the SAIB. Brazil gave us another stellar example of their tyrannical mindset today. They could have done the right thing, but why bother when they can do whatever they want, right? After conquering us through PTO, what I consider a glitch in the game's function, and not even giving a fair fight, they now rule over us in this manner deciding to throw away our month of hard work on some silly excuse."
Could'nt say it better!
excellent article Oceanus. Voted
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1-838600/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1-8[..]/1/20
Português por favor.
Stunning article. Voted.
Ah, another mighty hero rises in name of late eSouth Africa! Isn't that inspiring? More and more posts repeating the same things over and over.
I suppose you have an action course, don't you? Just like everyone else that has flamed eBrazil up to now.
As for that, I ask you, holy saviour of the weak, what are you going to do about it? Perhaps, as some past heroes have done so far, you are trying to solve your problems by... diplomatic means? Negotiating a territory. A brand new idea. But we all know that eSouth Africans would sooner or later think they are in position of blackmailing us.
Military means, what would that be? A good and old revolution war! That wouldn't do either, you don't have resources to create a party, how about sustaining a RW in every territory in Africa continent? Too much of an effort that any eSouth African hero would be want to spend.
Don't despair! We have a third way, the political means. Maybe you are regrouping every single eSouth African and taking over the government! No, that wouldn't work either. Where would you get the respect of 50%+ of eBrazilian population? You flamed, you stole a party, you threatened...
So, tell all your comrades, what are you going to do about your beloved country, Oceanus? Chit-chatting has been done already.
plz jizzie come back with your "media TO", Brazilian media is so slow this days, we need stuff to laugh about 😁
and i also noticed that not every south africans like to blackmail 😁
We are literate enough to discuss without insulting or abuse of sarcasm.
Can you say the same, angry little man?
Our difficulties of writing and comprehension? 😶
Aren't we the ones doing a favor typing in English? I supose that's the only lenguage you can speak.
About your attempt to annoy, instead of an adult of conversation, I forgive you. You are obviously out of your mind.
The only upside June is going to have is the creation of the citizenship module in eRep which is going to destroy countries that rely on PTOs to gain any inch on any playing field (Brazil) and strengthen countries who were always busy thwarting that sort of threat (South Africa).
The PTO is like the Viagra of Brazil. Without it, Brazil can't get it up.
Well said Jizzie.
You want negotiations no more, Jizzie?
Please, eSouth Africans, we wanna hear: "No negotiations! Keep our territories". Then we don't have to be that nice towards you and your people.
The eSouth African community will not stay silent. We'll proudly voice our defiance in our own language.
You simply cannot domesticate lions!
If you are reading this, you are The Resistance.
No better place than here. No better time than now.
você perde seu tempo discutindo crowa?
deixa o cidadão, ele ta irritado pois perdeu as terras dele. só para você ver, Jizzie McGuire é um homem que ao invés de trabalhar para discutir a paz e devolução de territórios com a indonésia, prefiriu vender seu país ao gold romeno e usa.
Jizzie McGuire infelizmente representa uma maioria sul-africana que é adiplomatica( não confundir com adiplomada). Felizmente existem individuos nesse país parecidos com Ines Schumacher e outros, que parecem mais racionais que os demais.
O indivíduo não consegue vencer os Brasileiros no militar, e nos desafia com táticas terroristas e guerrilheiras que acredita serem efetivas. Não consegue vencer argumentos e contra-ataco com sarcasmo e ofensas. Bem, senhor Jizzie, se o senhor for um cidadão esperto e conseguir ler o que escrevo, escrevo em português pois estou em Gauteng, parte do Brasil, eu tenho algo a te dizer: por trás do sarcasmo e das falácias se escondem as fraquezes e o medo.
passar bem.
learn not to be racist, and also learn portuguese, because this territories arent from eSouth Africa, but from eBrasil. I also prefer portuguese and also to talk with civilizes people. 😁
"Nor are we ruled over by a small clique of poorly-endowed individuals with Napoleonic complexes."
Well said!
Brazilians,
You may feel superior to us because you control us with numbers. But our small community in EXILE is still stronger than yours even as your empire expands. Its obvious you have earned nothing that you have gained. Go beg the Indonesians for your next meal and leave us be.
I said learn English, not attempt to speak it. I'd rather enter your Portuguese piffle into Google translate than enter your English gibberish into spell check.
África do Sul é um país interessante: O terceiro mundo que se acha primeiro mundo. Um pais de negros que se diz de "origem holandesa, brancos de olhos azuis", um país pobre que se acha rico.
Isto traduz o sentimento de alguns SA´s no ER, tipo: Não existem e querem impor o idioma deles aqui, tem um racista que usa foto de negro, se achando porque fala inglês.
Vamos usar tudo o que disserem contra eles, existem ferramentas para isto. Tudo o que for publicado na imprensa de nosso país deve ser respondido no idioma do país que é o dono da África do Sul. Quem são eles para exigirem os dialetos deles?
Querem colocar o dialeto ridículo de vocês aqui? Finjam pelo menos que tem honra, pare de chorar e venha retomar o país de vocês. PÔ, tô doido pra guerrear contra estas mocinhas e eles não fazem nada, só choram. A culpa é do nosso governo..... deveríamos ter tomado um país com homens de verdade e não esta cambada que nãos erve nem pra reagir.
Tenham orgulho, tenham a sua honra de volta, ataquem-nos. Acho que o governo tem que usar com eles a linguagem das guerras: Querem de volta o seu gueto (eles estão muito acostumados a este termo), lutem por ele, sejam homens e mulheres de verdade, mostrem que realmente amam o país de vocês (tem gosto pra tudo) e lutem, lutem de verdade, tenham um pouco de amor próprio.
Chega a ser patético ver este tanto de marmanjo chorando aqui, cadê o orgulho de vocês? Cadê a honra de vocês?
Chega de ficar rebatendo esta cambada, deixem eles falarem e chorarem, só começarei a ter um pouco de respeito o dia que eles provarem que merecem meu respeito, por enquanto não apenas demonstram a cada dia o porque do eterno fracasso deles: FALAM MUITO E NÃO FAZEM M.... NENHUMA.
Ban the vuvuzelas!
It is truly remarkable what an impact we leave on the eBrazilian society. Are we really that scary?
Of course we are!
Yup, we are peeing in our pants. I mean, we have lost so many territories to you...
The longer this goes on the more agitated I feel. I really don't like being under the influence of some sadist who only wants to be difficult. But agreed, being one of those ordinary citizens a place where we can get some up to date information would be really cool.
Não, o cheiro q vc sente é porque seu nariz está muito perto de sua boca.
They sound like orcs.
Uktar ukluk potroast yum yum.
In your country there must be many orcs, so that you can compare.