Unionizing, Anyone?
Shoi12
Ah yes, another request article. This topic comes from Mihai Hilly, who asks a very intriguing question. There are times where two nations decide to make the ultimate motion of trust, and unite together under one flag. The most commonly known union is of Germark, when a weakened Germany decided to work together with another weak but loyal friend, Denmark, to unite to protect their sovereignty. Other lesser known examples are of Argentina and Bolivia, as well as China and North Korea, though of course these can be classified more as a larger nation taking over a smaller partner that decides not to resist.
So what does this have to do with Canada? Well, no matter how strong the force is with our credit cards, we're not going to match the superpowers in strength any time soon. But if we found a partner to form a union with, we may, with our combined forces, be able to hold our own against strong nations such as Poland or Spain, or even (worst case scenario) America. While America has often been considered a possible nation to join in a union, there are other options that may be worthwhile to consider.
The most obvious choice for a union is the Portuguese. Besides our stellar relations, forming a union with Portugal would make sense both economically and militarily. With natural borders, Portugal's additional bonuses give the maximum benefit to food production. Portugal also would give a direct border with Spain and give access to South America as well, giving the hypothetical union borders with Poland, Spain, Brazil, and America, providing plenty of opportunities. In addition, in case of a Spanish invasion, a quick revolt on the Azores back to Portuguese control would cease any threat, so there's really no downside. Portugal would receive additional military protection from a loyal ally, while Canada gains more resources and more areas of operation. While there's no guarantee that players would accept such an idea, it is plausible, feasible, and benefits both nations.
Speaking of fellow small nations, how about the Irish? Ireland is not as appealing as Portugal is, but it is itself a viable option. Ireland lacks the strong relations with Canada that Portugal possesses (note the infinite amount of NE lulz), as well as the need for a union. Nations look at unions as something to avoid unless necessary, and for the longest time, Ireland was doing just fine, the Polish battle aside. Ireland also has a land swap agreement with the Brits to the east, so any union would tack on a UK RW as well, which would only drain damage away from important fights. But on the plus side, Ireland is a good-sized nation, and both nations would benefit from the extra resources. Ireland is also out of the way, and thus is not a gaping target. But this works both ways; Ireland also lacks the extra options for strategic warfare. Overall, a Canadian-Irish merger could work, but it's not nearly as feasible as a Canadian-Portuguese union.
And the dark horse candidate, France! Wait, France? Yes, France! France has had difficulties keeping its head above water as of late, and it's no surprise that the nation has seen better days. Combining a decent but overwhelmed military with a large area with a lot or resources makes you a big target (Saudi Arabia cough cough). Canada is in the opposite field, with a pretty solid military, but not many resources or land to call their own. The two nations can fix their own needs by uniting as one. The only issue of note is France's many non-aggression pacts and treaties, and it may be a real chore determining what happens with each treaty. But on at least surface level, a French-Canadian union could work out well.
Canada needs to be able to stand up to the superpowers, and we can't do it by ourselves. From sharing resources to a fall-back defensive plan, being in a union can far outweigh any disadvantages as long as the people accept the union. Otherwise, it'd just be direct occupation, not a union. But nevertheless, Canada must gain power in order to survive. Forming a union will go a long way to achieve sovereignty for a long time. So, Portugal, Ireland, and France, wanna unionize?
(And my Bosnian and Croatian friends, have you ever considered a union of your own? Just saiyan)
Until next time, take care!
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V! I think we should go for Portugal! 😁
i'd vote for canport
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Manifest Destiny
It's a good idea and interesting one.
On other hand are some issues that need to be very well discussed and agreed, before taking any decision.
And of course, the population must agree on this too.
Despite this, a union between Portugal and Canada at least on a military field is extremely needed.
So which county would meld into the other under their flag for all the benefits?
That would be the hardest thing to push through.
P. Magee
Unions are only good for dead countries like Denmark.
@P.Magee
Players change citizenship like nothing just for bonuses. If the union is able to promise future bonuses and protection of both countries core regions by changing citizenship it could be feasible.
how 'bout a 3-way? I've always wanted to participate in one 😛
Nice idea. You will see that portuguese in general are very reliable and hardworking when we have an ally worthy of the name!
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the portuguese refused such an union with the brasilians
however considering that both countries are more or leass equal in terms of population/military power it could be feasible
but won´t work at least with portugal it might work with france tough (if canadians accept to change to french citizenship ofc )
we need a new military module that enables "regional" congresses
That is a very interesting idea.
But (there is always a "but") you 'll soon see that it is very complicated to unionize different nations on a same flag.
Not a bad idea, any reason why you didn't consider a union of USA/Canada ?
How does one handle RWs? It is quite likely that an RW will pop up before a Congress election, and then the next thing you know, you have a rogue nation if a bunch of PTOers had moved in to claim CS in the abandoned country. If unions could be made official in the game and not create a source of unexpected RWs or backdoor PTOs, then it could work. Right now, the game mechanics make it hard to accomplish that goal. It's hard enough setting up a region swap that lasts.
...because if there were a couple smart cookies out there who wanted to get their hand on the two-clicker tax cookie jar, this is what they could do:
1) Support the Union and encourage all active citizens to move to the other country for CS
2) Strategically hold back members from their political party or MU with instructions not to move or to pretend to 'leave last'
3) Wait for the country to be depleted of old leaders and former active citizens
4) Regroup old members and push hard to launch and win RW with massive tanking and hired mercs (some capital would need to be invested into the scheme)
5) Hold the terrritory for the Congress elections and get as many old buddies into Congress. This should be easy if enough people have left.
6) With a Congress majority, raise taxes on the two clicker population that never left. Max tax them and donate all the currency to citizen accounts...or wait to win the CP election (should be easy) and take control of national orgs.
7) At this point one could try to hold onto the breakaway union, but I think donations can be made even if under full occupation. Even if it didn't make much money, the challenge would certainly be there for players who want to try something different. eh?
UNIONIZING FTW
~hyuu~
and ~hyuu~ for Plugson's comments.
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Why not a Federation?
A Army, a federal parlement, a federal goverment, and a president,
(mpp, ne, taxes, all the samme)
And I thought this was going to be about ions and such
un-ionizing. yippee
Sounds like Plugson has given this a lot of thought. Will have to put him on the new government's list of possible subversives.
You would need to leave behind a caretaker government in the shell country to send new people to the new country and not hand out citizenship's to anyone except supporters of the new system who wish to help with care taking.
A federation would not allow us to share bonuses.
I say a Canada-China Union for the massive language barriers haha. However, a North American Empire would have 10/10 resources, 72 Territories (it would be a nightmare for an invader to put down 72 territories), and the language barrier would be fairly minimal (if Mexico were also a partner but we could just keep them wiped leaving almost no barrier.)
Exalted, I think you need to stay behind in eCanada to watch over the subversives. And for 5 Gold plus benefits, you can run for Congress and help me collect "Union dues" from the two-clickers.
Sounds like more of a job for Rolo and Wally. Leave behind our best. Nothing could possibly go wrong. Could it?
V.
Voted. Very nice idea 🙂
There are few thing more important than the flag:
Wat would we do when the first attrition force drives the communities apart?
The Portuguese-Canadian aggregation will produce a country completely surrounded by the big 4, that could attack at once and then what? Who will defend what? Portuguese will defend Portugal and Canadians their land as expected and we would have a dysfunctional country.
If those problems could be addressed I'd love this idea would at least be discussed officially
Corrections:
*What would
and V+S, ofc
1.Canagal must be the new country's name. It's epic.
2.How can the community that moves into the other country assure representation in the congress? Do you make each community run for congress in its original regions?
Commonwealth, Commonwealth, Commonwealth!!!
What happened to the last one? lulz.....
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One think i notice here is that you only talk on behalf of the canadien flag to occupie another country.
How about the canadiens be the ones occupied and fight under another flag?
Awaiting feedback
Replace the maple leaf with a red Irish Harp in the flag