eRebublik - A War Game?.....Read comment section!
Rolo Tahmasee
I read in a recent Jacobi article/comment that he doesn't play eRepublic as a war game
This is the primary reason for our current situation and for him being woefully unprepared and short sighted when it comes to the nature of this game
It also makes him totally unqualified to be our country's leader
In erepublik there will always be war and it will be a war-game for a simple reason
THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES!!!!!
Sure there are other nuances, but as a whole it will always boil down to the same basic concept
Do you think if in erepublik war you could die, there would be as much?
You click "FIGHT" and you get the following messages
"Great Fight General - 84 damage"
"Great Fight General - 82 damage"
"You are Dead General - Game Over for you - Please re-register and start all over"
As much as it is interesting for some to play politics, negotiate trade deals, get elected, etc, etc, - for most 2 clickers, War is about the most interesting part of this game. And when some of those 2 clickers become active players with a war agenda, they become high ranking citizens/politicians and wage war as a matter of playing the game - this then breeds the culture of that countries new players as that is what the game is and the beat goes on...
I became an eCanadian citizen because I am Canadian. I didn't do any research as to any of the countries politics/policy and I think it is much the same for our games other players, It was an automatic decision. I adapted to the way that the eCanadian game is played and that is the game as I view it. A Hungarian who is an eHungarian sees the game much differently. But because there are no real consequences to living in eHungary or Fighting in wars on a daily basis, His/Her view will always be the same and are unlikely to change
So, being that this is a war game, you have to have a war mentality, or it will be just a matter of time before that mentality will be bestowed on you and you WILL be caught unprepared...As is happening to us right now
I often wonder if eHungary is actually real life hungarian citizens, or is it a bunch of elite players of this game, highly organized, highly dedicated, highly unemployed that play this game 16-20 hours a day with the end game of seeing if is is possible to
a) destroy the game and it's concepts
b) take over the world, just for the fun of seeing if it can be done
c) have some sort of NWO vision for this game and in a struggle for power as the motivating factors, a real life loser being an eRepublic winner
I am interested in what some of our more experienced game players think of these concepts, but I believe one thing is clear,The nature of this game will always be that of being war ready, if not to start them, at the very least being adequetly prepared to defend them and embrace them when the time comes
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My view is that this is a war game. You need a strong economy to fuel your war machine and you need a strong gov't to lead but in the end its he who has the hammer that will take away the freedom to play this game in any other way but as a war game.
This is only a war game because people choose to view it as a war game. There is an infinite amount of space for companies to be built, an infinite amount of business opportunities. You can go anywhere you like, join politics, start businesses, write newspapers, collaborate with other or play alone. This is a simulation of social, economic, and politic reality where the consequences do not exist.
This is not a wargame, others have chosen to make it a wargame for you.
I was going to get all angry and rant on about how Jacobi is qualified, but I saw that Rolo wrote the article. No point in arguing against a CEP crony whose opinion cannot be changed.
Flec, while you CAN do all of that stuff, most people will agree that war is just as fun, if not more so, than being an entrepreneur.
The current and former leaders and officials of eHungary are mostly between 20-30 years of age, 20% vs 80% female vs male, partly students, partly employees (no unemployed is known by me), there are lawyers, architects, IT-experts, developers, financial strategists, brokers in our group, not rl-losers. We are all native hungarians mostly living in Hungary, partly hungarians living in Romania.
We have mostly come to free our original territories from eRomania.
Now we want to have only some fun.
Kovacskoko
ex-MoFA of eHungary (2 times)
Sales director of a market-segment leader software company in real life
"This is a simulation of social, economic, and politic reality where the consequences do not exist.
This is not a wargame, others have chosen to make it a wargame for you."
Funny this social, economic and political game seems pretty much like a war game from my vantage point. The freedom to enjoy the social, economic and political aspects of this war game is only made possible if you can wage war to protect it. If more people saw the distasteful reality we might have been more prepared to defend the aspects of the game that many enjoy.
war = failed politic
war, peace negotiation, non aggressive pact, mutual protection, alliances are all part of politics.
A president needs to be good at politics to prevent / start war.
A strategist or war general is the one that takes over after a failed political move made by the president which cause war.
if jacobi said he doesn't play eRepublik as a war game then he should appoint a war council that could navigate during war.
good luck eCanada.
eHungary is a program running on my linux box in the basement
You misquoted me, Rolo. I said I don't like playing this as a wargame, and so I don't. I don't like that all the other modules are subservient to what I think is a ridiculous (as people have said, no consequence) module when all the other modules I think are much better built. I appreciate that they have consequences because of war, but I wish war had more consequences than the loss of gold.
Now, that being said. If someone wants to tell me HOW the government was unprepared for the war and what we could have done to prevent it, I'm all ears. I keep hearing that we were unprepared, are unprepared....what would some of you do differently?
Jacobi - Is that you or "Revenue Canada"?
"I said I don't like playing this as a wargame, and so I don't."
So you don't play this as a wargame - that's what I said......
The country did not have a war mentality. That is the responsibility of the government. You don't like to play this as a wargame and you didn't
1) The troops (citizens) CAF, reserves should always be mobilized. We should always have clear communications as to where/when and who to fight - This has not been the case and is STILL not the case. There wasn't even a push to join the reserves until after the war started and there have been even further delays actually getting into them
2) The "what if" plans should have already been implemented. "How do we co-ordinate moving tickets on conquered territory?" It was up to a citizen Tyler F. Durden to show the initiative to get this ball rolling - where was the government and it's leader?
3)Your "The Merchantman" articles, always picking some B.S. small thing that happend the day before and putting a 1940 flavor spin on it as some sort of turning point for us, only for us to lose territory and battles later that day or the next
4)The consistent excuses as to why we lost this, or why we lost that..
I could go on and on Jacobi, but it all boils down to the fact that a war everyone knew was coming started and you expected us citizens to automatically know
1)where to fight
2)when to fight
3)where to get weapons
4)who to listen to for orders
5)what do do if in occupied territory
6)what do do when out of money
7)what to do when out of health
😎how to join the CAF and what that means(nothing apparently)
You did not account for the vast majority of 2 click players in this game that have been building their wealth and experience to one day make a difference and when that day came and they looked to their leadership....
They didn't have any!
We can use hind sight to discuss ones opinions of what we were prepared for or unprepared for but as always its easier to look back rather than forward. It is a matter of shared blame as we were all unprepared for the realities of global war. Where were all those who now complain or criticize a few months ago with their ideas. People were either unconcerned or wrapped up in their own thing with no thought of how vulnerable we were. This was not a cohesive country attempting to better position ourselves but rather individuals with individual goals. Some just did the 2 click thing, others were more involved whether it was playing politician, media star, industry giants, cornering the market by starting oil cartels, playing terrorist, super spy etc etc etc. With no thought of the eworld around us, in the context of most war type games we are a group of sim city players who now will become Peace's farm. It is only through military might can one protect what is ours or our way of life and it will only be through war that we reclaim what we have lost.
@ Bravo
The reason I point out Jacobi's recent incompetence (looking back)is the fact that in 5 days he will be up for re-election
What future unforeseen incompetence would a Jacobi government be unprepared for, what else would they fail to plan for, to see, to communicate, to factor in?
The fact that he has no explanations for the level of incompetence that he has shown (and continues to show) and the only way to point that out is to look at his track record
No amount of complaining and "what if" can change what has happened, but seeing it for what it is and examining what could/should have been done can help us make educated choices about our future
Sorry, are you looking for explanations or excuses, because it seems that you take every explanation of mine as an excuse, yet still demand more. I'll clarify my statement though, "I don't like playing this as a war game and so I don't (like playing this as a wargame)."
1) There are clear orders from national defense every day, every day of this war. Mobilizing reserves on a 365/year basis wouldn't make them reserves, they would then be regulars. The whole point of being a reservist is only to be activated when needed.
2) Immigration Canada was moving people from nova scotia on day two of this war, and continued throughout the entire conflict. It was only after Quebec that the workload became large enough that people like Tyler were needed to step into the breech.
3) Strawman much? This has nothing to do with how the government could be prepared.
4) Again, excuses or explanations? Would you rather me not say anything at all? People have a right to know from their government what we've been doing, sorry that you disagree (and yet demand "explanations")
Could you go on and on? Tell me again, you think we could been better PREPARED by........making reservists regular troops.
I just happen to disagree.
1)Orders are coming 10-12 hours into the fight. some Canadians have already logged in and off for the day before they are told where to go. Orders like "Fight wherever you think best" are B.S. I understand if orders change throughout the day, but there should be no absence of them. Even if it had said "click on Jacobi or "whomever"" and their status was the up to date orders and we all understood that would have been better
2)People like tyler needed to step into the breech? Tyler has carried the load through this re-patriazation of Canadians. The Ads, the instructions to citizens in occupied territory should have been prevalent when Nova Scotia fell, so that it was second nature when Quebec and Alberta fell. It was only done by shift on the fly and TIRELESS efforts by tyler or it wouldn't have been done at all
3)Why did an article posted on "How to become a reservist" get posted, I register that day, and a week go by before I was posted to a platoon...Also, What did this "being a reservist" get me? How am I making more of a difference as a reservist that a regular citizen who fights?
4)your explainations are excuses. If I receive an explaination saying "we didn't tank quebec because it was too far gone and those resources would be better spend elsewhere" and then they are never spent elswhere (Alberta), then it is another excuse for not seeing that Alberta would have been a lost cause as well. I get that Alberta was lost and you didn't want to tank, but was California? - Could our tanks have helped keep the indo's out and thus enabled the americans to help us with our was instead of now defending the indo invasion????
I guarantee that you never even considered that. Had we all used our resources to defend California instead of Alberta (which was lost anyways and you did not forsee)would we be in a better position today?
"This is only a war game because people choose to view it as a war game."
WRONG.
It is a war game until every other aspect of the game serves only this module. Economy, business? Hospitals, defense systems, weapons and iron only used for war. You don't need a house, since fighting and going to hospital is much easier and cheaper. You don't buy gifts for fun, but to attack one more, etc. If there's no fight, there's no economy - wonder why Hungary's GDP is one of the best? Politics? You can't even manage the list of your own parties! The party president is just like every other citizen, congress members are changing taxes back and forth just to gain some XP. Write a newspaper? YES, you can be the 1000+1 who will write the next article in line.
I try my best to not be as negative as I often feel, I agree with rolo, orders are not timely, updated are absent or are confusing at times. I expect that things happen behind the scenes that I am not privy to but it appears to me like this ship is with out a pilot and that feeling is not directed solely at Jacobi. I understand that real life responsibilities are far more important, also it is summer time with long weekends and time should be spent with family and friends, but is there no one minding the store.
And the eHun above me understands the truth I shudder to say, it is a war game.
Gherk - that made me laugh. Ever watch "The 13th Floor" ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Floor" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirtee[..]Floor
I think the main issue is that the citizens of eCanada are looking to their leadership for more than just direction but also morale.
We are looking for anything to give us a glimmer of hope and we are met with silence. This is not just directed at Jacobi but others as well. One article a day and a quiet IRC room do not make for a very motivated militia/Reservist army.
I realize that funds dwindle every day this war goes on but I do not get resupplied. Not that it really affects me. I buy what weapons I can with my wages and do my best. I would like to know if I should not expect to receive anything more so I can stop filling out forms asking for weapons.
I think the bottom line here is that we as citizens look to our leaders for hope, inspiration and strength and we do not see it. Jacobi should be the loudest voice binding us together as a nation and his advisers/CAF leaders should be the second loudest. We all want to follow you but you don't give us a reason to.
With regards to the lack of tanking, I can understand your point but you must understand ours. The majority of war effort is being carried by the wallets of us regular citizens and reservists. If you don't plan on tanking then let us all know. A heads up would have saved all of us a lot of gold as well. This isn't just the government funding the war. To put our money into fighting our hearts out and then having the government fail to back us up because they didn't want to waste their money is a bit of a slap to the face.
So you want my personal suggestions on how to improve the situation?
Communicate regularly and be an active voice for eCanadians to rally behind. Let us know when and where. Tell us when you don't plan to tank asap. Just communicate with us!
(I have not mentioned anything regarding military strategy as I simply do not have enough knowledge of game mechanics to suggest anything)
For my response see this article:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/if-erepublik-is-a-wargame-it-s-a-crappy-one-880010/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/if-e[..]/1/20
You dont say this when there is no war in your country. You just start complaining when you losing a war in your country.
America&Canada- we have guns for you- 20*q2-for6g. Pm me.Fight smart!
We whish you good luck!
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