Official IDF Stance on the OGD
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by Irish Department of Defence
Hello eIreland,
I write to you today about a serious matter, the Irish paramilitary group, Odysseus Global Defense (ODG).
This private military coropration (PMC) was created by Rhett Butler and Buddysilver, both IDF members.
I, personally applaud the efforts of Rhett and Buddy, who I have both had private correspondence. This group is dedicated to the preservation of the independence of nations all over the e-map, a very noble principle. I wish them and the group the best of luck in the present and in the future.
As a result of the large support within Ireland, many citizens signed up, including some IDF members, and are now serving overseas with the ODG.
However, this has come to an impossible moment for these soldiers. These soldiers cannot be enlisted in the Irish Defence Forces, the official military of the eIrish state, and the paramilitary group, ODG.
Therefore, I am issuing an order to all IDF soldiers currently serving with the ODG. All of you must PM myself declaring either that you would like to quit the IDF and stay with the ODG, or quit the OGD and stay with the IDF, and immediatly return to Ireland.
It is absolutely necessary that IDF soldiers are stationed in Ireland, in case of an attack on eIreland, or any other matter of national emergency. Also, soldiers cannot be made to choose between orders of different military organizations, as they may conflict.
Soldiers enlisted in both will have 72 hours to mail me, or they will be dismissed from the IDF.
That is all.
Thank you,
Colonel Conor Larkin
Chief of Staff, IDF
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Irishmaxxx
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As I thought this would happen, I cannot officially fight in the Odysseus Global Defense, as much as I might want to, but trust me, if Ireland ever comes under any attack whatsoever, then we will drop all current orders and fight for glorious Eire.
ok, thanks buddy
A sound and professional policy CoS.
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I dont know if this is necessary
With the ease and quickness that geographical moves can be made in this game, I cant see why this is necessary either, however, I do think that every IDF soldier in the OGD should submit a pledge that IDF orders take first priority.
I think Conor is on to something in that respect.
Good, this is necessary. Indonesia have just proposed a declaration of war on malaysia to their congress, in other words, a war with Sol. If it passes, we will be at war. We must defend Sol.
completely unnecessary.
Ireland is probably a month or two away from being involved in a real conflict, no matter what path we take, so what if members of the IDF are out there getting ranked up and getting a taste of working under orders in battle situations?
Personnally i've yet to fight for OGD (missed out on last nights battle by few hours) but i plan to in the future. I told them at the beggining i will only fight when/where i want to and if it doesnt conflict with IDF plans. Is that not ok?
Are we not allowed to fight where we want? I know plenty of lads who head abroad when no training wars on to battle. Is that not allowed?
Ah conor come on you can turn a blind eye to this. OGD are only a bunch of people looking for a bit of fun. Something that is starting to be lost to us here in eireland.
The idf are not on active duty enough. Every member of the idf should be sent abroad at least once in a month to gain some experience and to have some FUN.
I completely agree GG, the IDF needs more active duty overseas and training together in divisions. But actions of the OGD should not be associated with eIreland since they are not controlled by the elected representatives.
I had presumed all members of OGD had left the IDF through joining that well intentioned mercenary force. The IDF is a volunteer force.... it's not difficult for anyone who has left it to return after training abroad.
@PsyderEyes: It's not that you shouldn't be allowed chose where to train. But having a command structure in conflict with the IDF makes for a confusing situation for members of both groups.
In addition to that individuals may go unnoticed abroad where as a co-ordinated group with specific and public goals could have an unintentional negative impact on eIrelands interests.
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Conor I respect you as my Superior and friend. I respect that you want IDF Soldiers in the IDF. But there comes a point where you draw a line in the sand. I understand you situation, Indo declaring war on Malaysia, and Ireland being involved. But I a sure you, if Ireland is attacked, OGD is at war with the country that started it. We will fight until we all die to defend our home. No matter what. Look at OGD. What do you see? A PMC? A group of guys? or do you see what I see?
I see the goal that many thousands want to happen. A world with no more war. Training wars yes, real wars, no. I want to see the world united as one. Many of the men in OGD want that goal as well. And thats why they came too me. Conor. I love Ireland. All my friends here, all my would be friends. Even my enemies that I may have here, I love. I want the Éire safe from PEACE, and EDEN if need be. This is my goal.
:'( I miss OGD already!
"Also, soldiers cannot be made to choose between orders of different military organizations, as they may conflict."
Is that not what your trying to make us do? Choose between the orders of the OGD and the orders of the IDF.
Éire go brach. Ireland comes first, it always has and it always will. I am outraged at this Conor Larkin and if made to choose I would choose the OGD over the IDF because of the way you have reacted. This looks to me like you don't want other people going abroad to fight while you can't.
A rushed decision, at best.
I hope there is room for changing Conor's mind
Rollo
Rhett Butler : "I want the Éire safe from PEACE, and EDEN if need be. This is my goal."
Then you can see why OGD needs to be independent from the IDF. It ensures OGDs actions are not linked to the IDF through dual membership.
@Rollo : Rushed? I was expecting this ever since OGD was denied official backing by the public Dáíl over a week ago.
This is stupid, eIreland has had paramilitaries and mercenaries since beta when patton started up his mercenary group. Theres been the IVF, IRA, eIRB and countless other groups in eIreland and not until now has the IDF made such a stupid stance. We need all the soldiers we can get and unless there fighting against eIreland then I dont see why they should be kicked out.
If the President says "I don't know if this is necessary" then why should the IDF Chief of Staff think it necessary?, after all the President is ultimately the armed forces commander in chief, and the guy with his finger on the big red button, this statement/order should be rescinded.
@Nogin--I've received no private message from patton concerning this article being taken down. Yes, the president is the commander in chief, but should we just bow to what the president says we should? Should we go to war, just because the president says we should? The President appoints ministers to serve over their respective fields in the government, and if he truly had a problem with this article, he would have messaged me. The current MoD, former MoD, and myself have no problem with this. I would be happy to hear our president's reasons as to why this isn't necessary when I've just spewed all this legitimate facts, and he's just had said he doesn't "think" this is necessary.
I see this like a parent grounding their children as an effort to stop them from doing stuff because of over protective parents.
If an attack on eIreland happens we would be back in a heartbeat to protect our fatherland. So chill. It's an unnecessary move weakening the force. And you worry to much about being attacked. Are we really that much of p****s? Though not it's a game! If we were attacked we would have the backing of the opposing alliance.
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Well, seeing as the Country President had posted "I don't know if this is necessary", I would have thought that you would have contacted him as his comments were so obviously against this?
I've PM'd Patton to reply here and clear this up as the way it is we've "the tail wagging the dog" this difference of opinion should have been resolved before we started to discharge good IDF personal.
"but should we just bow to what the president says we should? Should we go to war, just because the president says we should?" some people would consider that grounds for dismissal, are you not going to obey your commander in chief's orders?? or do you know better than him.
@GG--I can't turn a blind eye to this because it would affect Ireland's ability to defend itself with its military if we had members overseas, unable to defend Ireland
Conor there is nothing to say that people in ireland wont have already fought if we are attacked. But If we have the usual 24 hours notice the ogd would have had time to return home and fight.
I completely understand that they cannot be given government backing but to stop them from having a bit of fun while the idf is not fully organised is harsh.
Why dont you come to some agreement with Rhett to disband once the idf is more mobile and can provide plenty of overseas battles.
From my time in the idf these have been some of the best times i have had in the game. I can remember having some great times in D3 and this is what the game is all about.
Id want clarification on these contracts and agreements the OGD fights under. If the OGD is truly contractually obligated to stay in a specific region and fight, and they cannot leave, then there is a conflict of interest with the IDF.
But rather than denying IDF members from traveling or making them choose outfits, what I think should happen is that the OGD should document and publicly state that a IDF recall due to war or IDF overseas deployment takes precedence, regardless of contracted OGD missions.
Conor is right that you cant have IDF people torn between allegiances, it makes organizing the IDF impossible if you dont know your strength and manpower. However, I think during times when no recall is underway, that IDF personnel should be able to move and fight as they wish.
Though my opinion is moot here it is.
Ireland had no organized military.
Conor and I worked very had to set one up and Conor and Kit are doing their damndest to hold it together.
And organized military requires discipline and order. A very large part of that is upporting the orders that the government has placed forth for enlistees which Conor is attempting to uphold.
How many members if OGD requested leave to participate?
How many contacted their chain of command with that request?
There is nothing wrong with what Rhett has created, however I believe that you can't be a member of a Merc organization and a state's standing army.
@Conor
You've done a superb job and I salute you aims, orders and dedication. I'd gladly serve with you given the chance; but if my president had seen fit to invalidate my orders in public he would have got my walking papers in a minute. You may be a better man than I.
As Grainne once said to Aran Tal "You've made my position untenable".
Good luck Conor. You deserve more respect than you have recieved.
*salute*
Silent Leges Inter Arma!
I am not comfortable with any PMC, especially if we still are feigning neutrality as a nation.
Thank you all for defending the OGD, presenting some good points and so on, but Conor is right in one way. I would like to ask everyone to try to view it from where he is standing. Then after you see his point of view, then protest against it if you will. DT is in the right here as well. As well as Gordon Gekko. Conor, our president feels that its unnecessary. If we can all remember for a minute that PMCs have protected Ireland from the start, and my personal opinion is that they will continue to do so. Ireland doesnt realize it but she has a guardian angel watching her all the time, preventing harm. Ireland wont have to worry about war for a long time, only if she decides to enter this war. In my forum, I will right up a contract for the Republic of Ireland, that states we will come to the aid and defense of Ireland, whether we have a contract or not. That is my offer. No gold, nothing involved, just Odysseus Global Defense reaching out with a hand. Take it. It will be useful someday soon.
Ireland is not official engaged in any war.
There are Irish engaged in war.
Conor has not threatened any member of the OGD with a permaban from the IDF, and he has not discredited any of their members. By posting this article he has made the IDF's official international stance public.
This is good politics on Conor's part
Good luck out there OGD!
Well said Sweet Drinker.
Interesting. Well, if OGD members don't tell you there in the ODG then there are no issues I guess. It looks like it will become a Don't ask, don't tell policy.
I firmly believe you are going to drastic measures over merely a organation that is fighting for things that the irish state should appaulude.
I understand your point sir, a paramilitary group is NOT always , under the orders of the offical goverment of eireland. As a relative political outsider I find that all military operations should be sanctioned by an elected goverment, not from a group that could have an agenda the could go against the legally elected goverment of E=Ireland. Perhaps this should be used as a voting referendum.
Can IDF members who want to join the OGD resign from the IDF and rejoin after their tour is over and return home? This isn't addressed in the order. If so, then I don't know what all the damn fuss is about. If not, then make your decisions very carefully.
@Quimby, I would not see an issue with this. Its just a pain in the ass, but I couldn't blame anyone for doing it.