[Loathing] Looking For a New Ride...
WayneKerr
First of all eUK, I would like to say a few thank you's. Without the support and help of UKRP and ESO and in particular, Appleby and VoodooMike, I would never have made it to second place in the elections, just one succesful impeach away from having da buttons again. Lets hope AMD doesn' get hit by a bus or something... Last election, without their backing I managed a measly 7 votes and ended up dead last. Most people didn't even know I had ran until after the event. This time round, with certain members of the eUK trumpeting my name from the roof tops, I managed a seven-fold increase in my support. Had I managed this number in November, I would have won!
A couple of people were loudly claiming that I would be soundly defeated and both me and my party, The UKPP, would and should be ostracised by the rest of the eUK due to us backing what they claimed to be a traitor and a thief. My Party President and all round great guy Mr Knee did not bow down to, nor did he entertain their hollow threats. He's been with UKPP for a long time and this isn't the first time the 'establishment' of the eUK have threatened us! It's water off a ducks back.
Secondly, I'd like to thank The UKPP. You saw a problem and you had the courage to step up and tackle it. Instead of backing down, you doubled down. If The UKPP produce anything from their players, it is bravery. Bravery to make their own path and not follow the herd, even at the expense of not being included by the others, bravery to treat this game as a game and the bravery to laugh not only at ourselves, but at others as well.
I'm proud to have been eBorn into The UKPP Family!
While they can rightly claim a 86-50 is indeed a resounding loss, to me it does not feel that way. To me it feels like a cry for help. Almost half the nation didn't buy in to AMD's vision. He couldn't even be bothered to release an article informing you, his voting public, of his Cabinet. A third of you wanted me! Even after the failed hatchet job carried out by certain parties. If that is not a eCountry begging for change and a revolution, I don't know what is.
For the past 3 months I've been lurking, I've seen very little information coming from players, supposedly in the know. This is not a slur on Chaz, I've seen first hand the amount of time and money he has spent trying to provide you all with entertainment over this typicaly dull time of year in eRepublik. The amount of votes and comments his farewell CP article recevied is utterly disgusting. If this is the state of apathy the eUK is currently in, then Chaz is even more foolish then I first thought, by reaching deeper in to his pocket then many of our so called 'leaders' ever would for you ungrateful sods.
One man can't be expected to do the job of the MoD, the MoHA (if thats even still a thing) and the MoFA, as well as write articles and perform his CP duties. Even though Chaz did a stellar job as he always does when CP, his team badly let him down. After the glory of eArgentina and the onslaught of Pathetica they disappeared.
We had a MoD who just vanished while we had 3 countries attempting to wipe us and a MoFA who seems more interested in larking about with his mates, the Governing Elites of eUSA. Coming at a time when forig information would have been nice with regards to the deal laid down on the table by the alliance Orion. An alliance which contains eFrance and eCanada, two countries I regard as mortal enemies of the eUK. Most of the times the eUK has been wiped in our history, these two countries have always played a part. Those old enough will remember. Yet this month will no doubt be the month that our MoFA, who is now the CP, will take us into this Alliance! An alliance that even he does not really want to join. He'd much rather we accepted the other offer we had on the table this month...
Orions were known for their reliability weren't they?
But it's not just Government where the eUK is lacking. It's domestically too. Where is the passion, the eDrama, the mudslinging, the intrigue? The lack of anything has got so bad that even Dapper has had enough, given up on you and upped sticks to eCanada! The eUK no longer has a story line anymore. That saddens me, what reason do I and you, now have to log in, to press the fight button repeatedly? No, the game as a game, is boring as hell. I need the drama, the arguments, the debates, the discussions. Thats what keeps me and you, logging in!
No, I wouldn't of...
I know we don't have new players to recruiment anymore, so parties don't really need to compete. That elections are pretty much a done deal and that there really is not much to argue about. But this does not mean we can't create it. It'll be much better if you guys go about creating the excitement and drama, cuz y'all get pissy when I do it.
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First things first - I see no utility in cutting off UKPP from the community, just you as their CP candidate
I appreciate we got a rather shit turnout and you correctly identify AMD's pisspoor campaigning skills as the main cause of this
However:-
"failed hatchet job carried out by certain parties" - I think our only weakness was our actual candidate, we have already discussed ways to improve and open the selection process should you decide to re-run again. I think you can appreciate the simple act of you as a candidate is enough to band us all together
For now though we have the unwipe to deal with and UKPP has some of our best tanks. If you're prepared to also focus on this as the main concern rather than tearing eachother apart then I'm prepared to temporarily bury the hatchet
Thing is Appleby, it wasn't a shit turnout. Looking at previous elections, it was about average. Which to me suggests that a swathe of eUK already know what to expect from AMD and his team and would rather go for something different.
Why the sudden change of heart? Yes, UKPP do have a few tanks. People willing to press that big red fight button many times for the eUK. Maybe I'm cynical, but could your change of heart be due to you now being MoD and the eUK's success and failures rest on your shoulders?
If you re-read my criticisms of your candidature over the campaign they were almost exclusively focused on your history and how it made you unsuitable for the job.
Several times I made it clear this 'blockade' was simply to keep you out of power, with no hard feelings to the rest of UKPP. Throughout I have reiterated I welcome all constructive contributions to the wider community, particularly in the public sessions where all can participate. I've just bought 1k Q7s on the cheap from Alfa which should comfortably sort out CtA from my own pocket till we get public funding, a big shoutout to him.
And by turnout I meant from the allied parties. I agree that the results suggest a small but significant number were unimpressed AMD was the collective candidate more than any effort on your part.
"Why the sudden change of heart? Yes, UKPP do have a few tanks. People willing to press that big red fight button many times for the eUK. Maybe I'm cynical, but could your change of heart be due to you now being MoD and the eUK's success and failures rest on your shoulders?"
I'm aware AMD isn't a wartime leader and it has been a while since I managed the MoD. But there are a few obvious things like orders, MiD and CtA that can be taken off the ground to get a reasonable service running again. As the Minister directly responsible for getting us unwiped it does indeed override my earlier inhibitions of keeping you firmly outside the tent if it means the rest of UKPP can work with us on the getting unwiped
My history makes me unsuitable? What history is that, being eUK's first D3 GoW and Titan or the time that the eUK fought off 5 NE's and an alliance Air Strike under my leadership. Or is it my history of being in the team that lead eUK through it's most successful period. Or are you simply alluding to the unproven allegations from yourself and a couple of others, because looking at the situtation eUK finds itself in, I'm very suitable for this kind of role.
You didn't have to include UKPP in your criticism of me. But you did, you sought to turn the UKPP against me, by turning the eUK against the UKPP. Thankfully, UKPP aint as stupid as that. You can block me all you like, but you are not a great unifier. UKPP saw right through you. I'm sure every active UKPPer will be doing all they can to help eUK, as they have each and every time. But it will be the eUK populace they are helping, not you or the eUK Government.
Those 33% of the eUK that voted for me, did so to protest the 'established' parties poor choice in a unifying candidate. If you put another poor candidate forward, next election, I'll expect to get around the same votes.
What you will need to get out of this mess as a MoD is millions of CC and the 'promised' allied damage turning up when required. You are either gonna need to reach deep into those oldfag pockets of yours or pass around the begging hat and hope people are feeling generous. Articles, PM's and a few tanks for voting not will save you. You are gonna have to work hard for it. Rather then disappearing like you normally do, when given responsibilty...
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Thats what we spent to hold a region for a day. That accounts for my MU alone. During that battle, Chaz, the RN and the Germark boys threw down CO's too. So it's probably closer to two million.
If by unproven allegations you mean trust the accounts of our years-long MoF over your own, then yes, and I'm sure the majority will follow me in this.
Again you may be a decent wartime leader but you couldn't give a shit about being held to account. You are obviously above reproach and we should forget the financial consequences of your previous leadership
I knew full well UKPP was determined to run you and simply did what I coul😛 rally the rest of us against it. Even with a poor vote for AMD it was sufficient to honour that particular threat and the only one I made
"If you put another poor candidate forward, next election, I'll expect to get around the same votes."
I am extremely aware of this and as I said in my initial response to this article 'I think our only weakness was our actual candidate, we have already discussed ways to improve and open the selection process should you decide to re-run again.'
"Articles, PM's and a few tanks for voting not will save you. "
Not on their own. But they are an improvement on the prior policy of bugger all.
The MoF who was the CP at the time of the allegation, didn't go so far as to say I stole it. He even claimed I told him what it was to be used for. It's all there in every bit of correspondence on the matter.
What would even be my motivation for stealing it? It's not like I needed a few hundred thousand cc. I don't own any companies and stopped training and fighting months before I became dicktaker. Theives like to make it known it's been stolen, it gives em a thrill. I stayed around for 6 weeks before I packed the game in. About 3 guys mentioned the cash being stolen. Goku, Dapper and VM71. Even you, yourself didn't bat an eyelid at the time. Why? Because no one truly believes I had taken it for my own personal wealth. People saw that it was being used.
If I'm only classed as a decent wartime CP, then who do you see as having a better record than me? My record as CP stands at 6 win's with 3 by way of wipe, 0 losses and 0 draws. If I'm unsuitable as a CP, then what qualifications do you hold to be MoD? Your known as the guy that puts effort in to get the chance of responsibilty, but then goes awol to play mincraft, pokeyamum or what ever the latest gaming fad is for the rest of the month.
Articles etc are just the everyday thing a MoD should be doing. It's like brushing your teeth in the morning or wiping your arse after going for a Barry. It's the bare minimum expected of you by the rest of the population.
Good luck, I hope for the eUK's sake, you can bring people together and direct them to victory.
‘Because no one truly believes I had taken it for my own personal wealth.’
A majority of the community seems to disagree with you. http://image.prntscr.com/image/f9f16402d8d54806863fb8f8b68066cf.png
If we’re going by wartime achievements, then I’d say Woldy or Dishmcds have a greater and more consistent record of turning the tide against all odds. You’d have only have been around for the final couple of Woldy terms. The difference was they were completely accountable to the public and accepted as such, you had and have no notion of this
‘what qualifications do you hold to be MoD?’
Not many, from memory it has been around 4 years since I commanded the Special Forces and that was my last major role in Defence. But as nobody else seems to want to bother I’ve accepted the role. I ought to point out that despite Sambo going inactive in the last administration, of which you were apart of, you did not bother to put your ‘extensive’ experience to purpose.
If however you and others DO want to help get us unwiped then obviously I’d be very grateful for any and all assistance offered
What does that screenshot prove? To his 'knowledge it was never returned'. He cannot give a straight answer. It's all 'maybe's' and 'can't say for sure's'. Why was this not more of an issue at the time? Why after a 'theft' was their zero records in the Bank of England during this time? The majority that you keep stating seems to be very quiet on the issue. Only people I see raising the issue is you and VoodooMike, who has always seemed to go after those players that he deems to be 'powerful' or have some weight. I read he went after Nifty and up until recently kept harrassing Dapper and his boys. So it's no surprise he's 'coming after' me once again. But you Applefag, we've spent much time together in this game, you know as well as the others around at the time, that even though I'm a prick at the best of times, my heart was and is always eUK.
So in the vast number of eUK CP's that we have had, you can only name two legends in King Woldy and Dish that you place higher then me? I have no qualms in being named alongside such players. Thank you for recognising my importance in the history of eUK. Cuz what I read in to that statement is, that I'm one of the best war time CP's we've had in about 5 years.
As for my role in the last two governments, I was under strict instructions to not do anything and Huey was told under no circumstances was I to get my hands on an org. That's not to say that I didn't offer my services, advice and experience to Chaz when he required or requested it. Which I'm sure he would attest to.
I only sold those Q7's as the other offers were from abroad and I figured I'd keep the money in the UK so I can spend it on a special project.
As for the CtA itself......I'd only back gov spending if it were spent similarly and in an efficient manner.
I'm tired as fuck, can you republish this without all of the formatting silliness my eyes can't handle change.
No, until jamesw writes an article, I will carry on upholding his tradition.
Best thing is, that if AMD fails, and there is an impeachment there is someone who can lead us. Also, it is always good that there is a strong opposition, who is always criticising.
I feel that should AMD be subject to a warranted impeachment attempt, those Mongressmen from such parties as TUP, WRP, UKRP and ESO would rather spite the eUK and keep AMD as CP then hand over power to the likes of me.
How is it warranted
You suffer a mishap and are left unable to press buttons... I dunno, many things could be considered warranted.
I'm sure you won't have an impeach fired against you this term. I won't be in Congress, so you should be safe...
we didnt have another offer this month. they wiped us. I am much more in favour of orion than those other oppressors
This month or last month doesn't really matter. What matters is you, as MoFA at the time were privy to these offers and still didn't feel the need to inform the public of the who, what, and why's.
Please don't take this as an attack on you personally. You'll get a fair crack of the whip from me. But rest assured, I will call a spade a spade if the time warrants it.
Your performance as MoFA in the eyes of the public has been poor, would you not agree?
I'd argue that much of the work of the MoFA does not receive public recogniton due to the nature of a lot of the work. I would say that in the eyes of the public my performance as MoFA was primarily unknown and less publicised, but I would argue that my performance was top notch overall.
Thats a great picture of me btw
I'd argue that, that is just one aspect of the job. Your job was to not just to shape the view of the eUK with allies and the wider eWorld, but to help shape the view with regards to our allies at home.
If you are being truthful with yourself, then your worldview and what is classed as acceptable by Ministers is very different to that of the rest of the population.
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Even Woldy has unanswered questions and he is your Prime Minister this term!
Dress it up as you like, but had you been my MoFA, you would have been kicked to the kerb rather sharpish.
Isn't thah why you offered me it? ;P
The public will be informed no matter
your argument is valid
But I'd argue that the other shady bits are important too
I offered you the same as everyone else. In the words of Shia, just do it.
And as I recall, I didnt offer you anything. It was you you offered me a role. http://prntscr.com/dt6hwr
Neither is more important then the other. They are important for different reasons. Shady stuff is for our allies, the domestic stuff is to appease those you represent and to make sure you have an informed playerbase. In the words of Al Bundy, you can't have one without the other.
Right let me tell you where I'm coming from.
In addition to the repeatedly stated loss of funds from the org's that has been well commented upon. You yourself made a number of statements about why you removed funds from the Country's org's. I have reviewed the irc logs from April 2015 and on 16th you made a number of claims:-
You claimed you had taken out a number of loans from allies/other countries
You claimed you had debts that had to be repaid
You claimed the amount you took from the eUK did not cover the debts
You claimed the eUK was still in debt even after the amounts you took
It appears therefore that you used the Dictatorship to enable you to take from the eUK a significant amount of money to cover personal loans that you had taken.
It appears you had been borrowing money and spending like a man with no arms for your own aggrandisement and then took our money to cover your debts.
At around this time or before, the eUK signed an MPP with what was then an enemy nation and large CO's were then placed against what should have been an ally. This was being done as part of a vendetta against a former eUK citizen who had moved to Albania and was their MoFA.
The problem is I am more likely to believe what you said in April 2015 - after you had left when you had no reason to lie than now, when you have a reason to cast doubt on the integrity of others to further your own ambition.
How do we know you aren't still planning to take our money to pay off your outstanding debts? How do we know you haven't done the same thing again and acquired new debts and want the CP job to pay them off?
In addition to the above is the fact that your CP run did not contain anything that could be viewed as a plan of action for our current predicament other than - "look at me, I'm great". This may well have worked in 2014 when we were still in a major Alliance backed by the strongest nation and with the financial backing of Serf and Alfagrem, but what evidence is there that this gung-ho approach is right for our current circumstances? You have made a number of critical comments as to the direction the eUK is headed - yet have offered no alternatives.
Basically you got yourself into power by trampling over everyone else, alienating more and more people along the way to the point where even BigAnt began to seem favourable when he overthrew you. You then disappeared with our money blaming us as you went. Some 18 months later you return and within a short while you are claming you're the saviour eUK needs. You could have attempted to make amends for the damage you did to the eUK by helping the community, yet once again you are stirring up division and throwing grenades into the room at every opportunity - the effect of which can only be to undermine our position in order for your supporters to claim this makes you look good.
What plan of action was needed? I made it known that my term was gonna be chill and we'd repay some of the kindness back that our allies had shown us in the previous months. But that plan went straight out the window and instead we had to fight off more attacks then you can shake a stick at.
I'm not saying that going gung-ho is a winning approach. Yes it worked last time, but that was because we had the right people, at the right time, in the right place. I look around now and I don't see that excitement anymore, so maybe it won't work. We should just accept it and keep logging in for nothing more than it being a daily/weekly habit?
I got in to power by being a good player who put time and effort into the things he did or at the very least got people that were willing to put time and effort into things to do those things. Who did I alienate? The old establishment and a group that had enough of being kicked about and attempted to PTO us using forigs. First of all, Keers and Co at TUP had come around to the UKPP 'let us play' mantra as evidenced by his article and Malices manifesto's. Even though he didn't like my pranks, we were far from enemies. It was the next generation of TUP that disliked me, due to me and friends pointing out how badly the largest party was being ran. Secondly, I couldn't care less that a group hell bent of importing a forig populace to take us over didn't like me. For the record, I always got on well with Dapper and BigAnt. We understood the need for a Hero/Villian dynamic. We certainly didn't hate each other and had a certain respect for the role the other played. It was the treatment by others that tipped them over the edge.
What damage did I do? I attempted to bring you together, during my dicktakership all slates were wiped clean and I brought the most active article writers together in order for new ideas to be pushed out. From the start I told you to sort a coherent plan and I'd be gone sooner rather than later!
Governments have always borrowed money from players and other Governments in times of need. 'Debt' wasn't just piled on during my CP term and the two odd weeks I spent as a dicktaker. Many of those in the CP chair during that time borrowed to fulfil goals. Sometimes it gets paid off, sometimes it gets written off. Sometimes it's a donation from a weathly friend/Government.
Regarding those that bankrolled us during that time, the eUK's debts as far as I can remember would have consisted of 3m to Poland, which was taken by the MoFA, I think at the time and used in one round of our battles with Brazil. This was paid back using real money, due to the CP of Poland, who at the time had no idea his MoFA had taken it, was getting pissy and making threatening remarks. I believe it was around the $50 mark. That wasn't something I had first hand experience of.
I imagine Ilphen and the Germark boys are owed a far few million still. Though at the time it was considered a gift on the understanding that, 'we've got your back, you've got ours'. Above and beyond, in my eyes we owe them much more then cc and gold.
If we are taking those who bankrolled us to be those we owe debt to, then Serfartsalot would be owed many many millions. More then the rest of the creditors combined. I don't know how much Alfagrem spent during my term as CP, I remember him and his RAF boys flying the flag for eUK many times throughout the month. I expect a pretty penny. Theres probably a few other that we owe the odd 100k to here and there. I tink a couple of million to both Cro and Don's boys in Ireland also. If these guys do put a claim in for unpaid debts, then it's not on my head, but on the eUK's. Anybody paying attention could see the eUK was pissing money that it didnt have.
As for my personal debt. I have none, None in terms of cc or gold anyway. I owe many people, many favours. But cash is not one of them.
Well in the last two and a half years that I've been in either Congress or Government, I'm not aware of any such practice being undertaken. The ironic thing is we have even discussed at times a loan scheme to raise money and I've often thought we should have a facility to allow loans to be made to the eUK and that it should all be done properly and guaranteed by all to ensure repayments. On this basis I find it difficult to understand how this could have been going on and we not know.
That's the trouble - Mongress will discuss for its full term about something that needs to happen now.
Beauty of dictatorship is in rapid response.
Keers used to 'lend' the eUK money all the time, he'd normally claim it back when one of his guys didn't win the Big Chair. Back then it was for MPP's, food and tanks. So amounts were smaller, in the 100's of thousands region. CO's can cost millions per round. Thats why the difference in 'borrowing' is vastly different.
Anyone with half a brain could have worked out that eUK was spending more than it's income. We had 33 MPP's at one point. eUK barely made that in a month. People knew this, but they didn't care. You also forget the amount of money spent during the Resources Wars. Not only on CO's but also on purchasing tokens. You think we got 100% bonus off the backs of eUKers effort alone?
Can we got some tl;dr's on these comments?
Congrats Wayne. I always believed in you.
Wayne *is* right about one thing - producing large amounts of meida through the run up to and during the election simply fuelled his campaign.
Bettter to ignore him
Seeing as we were releasing monkey loads of articles - Do you really advocate leaving the media to feature all WAYNE4CP headlines?
You'll be back and counter producing next month 😃
Putting past differences aside I have a genuine question for you Wayne: why have you chosen to return to eRep now?
Why do any of us who go on hiatus return? We burn out on the game and take some time off. After a while you kind of miss the interaction and return. I myself have taken a few breaks lasting from a year to 3 months.
If someone leaving then returning rustles your jimmies then you have bigger issues.
"Putting past differences aside I have a genuine question for you Wayne"
It was a genuine question, where I tried to put past differences aside. I wasn't having a pop. So there's no need to jump to Wayne's defence - he can look after himself.
I wasn't jumping to his defense just replying to a question I have experience with. You really need to relax.
My mistake. I thought that "...rustles your jimmies then you have bigger issues" was you having a pop at me.
Oh no, when I have a 'pop' (goddamned brit-slang) at you, you'll know.
I look forward to it.
Three reasons,
Chaz, Leo and it's too cold and wet to work on my car.
This guarantees that AMD will not be impeached!
I believe there is a coup option?
ayyyy revolution!
HE LIVES
only just *blows off dust on shoulders*
I agree
I agree to you agreeing
Thank you
You are welcome.
Least the days of more comment than vote articles are returning \o/