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[En-Ru] The real situation between Russia and Bulgaria.

Dita 1,945, 13:27 nga overm1nd88


[En-Ru] Реальная ситуация в отношениях между Россией и Болгарией || The real situation between Russia and Bulgaria.

English version below



Пишу для обоих стран.



Многие заметили (я думаю, что слепые вряд ли играют в eRep) что последние несколько дней в российской и болгарской прессе много статей в которых мы (и русские, и болгары) то обвиняем друг друга во всех грехах, то наоборот, во всём оправдываем. Я постараюсь разобрать основные претензии к друг другу.



Основные претензии русских - болгары не поддержали, не заступились, не воевали.

Да, не поддержали и официально объявили нейтралитет, но как я говорил уже в своей предыдущей статье - официальность не важна, важны реальные действия. А действия были такие, что болгары за нас воевали и поднимали на свои деньги восстания во Франции и Голландии (про последнее русские почему-то забывают или просто не знают).

По-поводу заступничества - болгары говорили, что мол они давали полякам красный свет на атаку России в течение долгого времени, возникает вопрос - что же изменилось? Наверное следует задать этот вопрос текущему президенту Болгарии.



Болгары часто говорят, что русские должны были дать дорогу полякам к Китаю. Но почему? Россия может укрывать на своей территории болгар от турков



Может сдавать “лишние” территории, раз за разом устраивая скучные свопы



Но никто не мог заставить нас сделать это принудительно. Это наша территория и нам решать, что с ней делать.



Болгары так же указывают на то, что русские обиделись из-за их нейтралитета, а сами не так давно подписали MPP с греками после того как те напали на болгар. Ни в коем случае не оправдываю действия нашего тогдашнего правительства (откровенно глупые), но то действительно был только идиотизм и воевать за греков мы уж точно не собирались.

Но не стоит использовать этот случай как оправдание нейтралитета, хотя бы потому, что не стоит обвинять болгар в этом самом нейтралитета.



Ещё русским говорят мол, надо было вам давно вступать в КоТ, тогда бы было всё по другому.

Да, надо было вступать (ещё при основании, имхо, хотя тогда тоже были нюансы). Но непонятно, почему болгары рассматривают отношения с Россией только через призму КоТ? Неужели наше MPP - недостаточное обоснование для взаимной дружбы и защиты?



Следующая претензия болгар - битва за Варну

Суть претензии - “Къде са руснаците?” то есть “Где русские?”.

Что же, давайте разберёмся. Болгары пытаются выиграть восстание в регионе, который не связан с их столицей (столица Болгарии была перенесена в Азию, надеюсь помните с чьей помощью) и никакой экономической пользы для болгар не несёт. Но, это их регион, это их право биться за него. Где же русские? Русские в то же время пытались защитить Москву, эта наша земля, наша столица, надеюсь, вы понимаете, что значит она для России. И у нас нет возможности прятаться в Азии, с каждым проигрышем у нас всё меньше бонусов (а после вынужденного переезда столицы в Скандинавию вообще почти не осталось). Что же касается претензии уровня - поляков за нас било много, а русских почти не было, так поляков больше раза в четыре, они одной рукой русских давили, другой болгарам помогали. Лучше подумайте, что было бы если бы поляки болгарам обоими руками помогли.



Что касается МПП с Китаем и Хорватами - это вынужденная мера и, надеюсь, временная, мы по прежнему хотим оказывать достойное сопротивление полякам. С Румынией и Турцией MPP не будет (иначе я перееду в Болгарию :))



Да, ещё некоторые русские любят покричать, что болгары били за поляков. Может и были единичные случаи, но это не повод портить отношения из-за клоунов типа Флаусины.



Что я хочу сказать в конце. Надеюсь все наши взаимные недопонимания останутся в прошлом и мы сможем вернуться на прежний уровень отношений.

В общем не давайте эмоциям взять вверх над разумом.

Спасибо за внимание, министр обороны еРоссии overm1nd88



I write for both countries. First - sorry for my english, i hope you can read this. 2nd english version a little shorter but the meaning is the same



Many people noticed (I think that blind man don’t play eRep) that there were a lot of articles in Russian and Bulgarian press last days. We, both Russian and Bulgarian, blamed or excused each other. I’ll try to submit the main claims.



Russian claimed that Bulgarian didn’t support us and fought. Yes, they didn’t support us and set neutrality. But I already told in the last article that real acts are important. Bulgarian fought for us and organized RW's in France and Holland by their money. For some reason Russian don’t know this fact or forget it. Speak about intercession. Bulgarian told that they had prohibited Poland to attack Russia a long time. What have changed? We must ask current president of Bulgaria.



Bulgarian told that Russian needed to let Poles go to China. But why? We can hide Bulgarian from Turks on our territory.



We can give up “unnecessary” territories with boring swaps.



Nobody could make us to do it. It’s our territory. We decide what we have to do with it.



Bulgarian told that Russian offended because of neutrality. But they assigned MMP with Greece recently. Just after Greek attacked Bulgarian.

But don’t use this case as excuse for neutrality. Just because it doesn’t need to accuse Bulgarians of this neutrality.



They said that Russian had to join CoT. They said that all would had been differently.

Yes, maybe. But why do Bulgarian consider the relations with Russia only in question of CoT? Or our MPP is not enough for mutual friendship and defense?



The battle for Varna

http://www.erepublik.com/en/military/battlefield/39393

The question is Къде са руснаците?” - “Where are Russian?”

Lets think. Bulgarians try to win resistance in the region. It doesn’t connect with their capital and make no economical benefit. But its their region. And it's their choice to fight for it Where are Russian? Russian at the same time tried to defend Moscow. This is our land, our capital, I hope you understand what it means it is for Russia. And we can't hide in Asia, with every loss we have less bonuses.
As for the claim - "for us poles beat a lot, and there was almost no russian". So poles as four times more. They fight with russia with one hand, and fight for bulgaria with second hand. It is better to think about what it would be if the Poles helped Bulgarians with both hands.



As for MPP with China. It’s a forced measure and, I hope, temporary. We want to resist Poland as always. There will be no MPP with Romania and Turkey (otherwise I move to Bulgaria :)).



Some Russian like to tell that Bulgarians fought for Poland. This might happen. But its not a reason for quarrel because of clowns like Flau.



I hope that despite our mutual misunderstanding we will be able to maintain the good relations.

Sincerely yours, overm1nd88, MoD of eRussia
 

Komentet

Camino de la Grandeza
Camino de la Grandeza Dita 1,945, 13:28

1

Horoshy Hlopchik
Horoshy Hlopchik Dita 1,946, 03:50

1. Нада организовона воевать. Создать Револютцыю в дрогих странах однавремено с нашыми.
2. Это поможет потому, что нас тогда станит больше чем поляков, в 2 или даже 3 раза, и тогда мы виеграем сразу несколко боев.

Camino de la Grandeza
Camino de la Grandeza Dita 1,946, 03:59

Это эпично

neonman
neonman Dita 1,945, 13:32

вотед же

==
Неужели наше MPP - недостаточное обоснование для взаимной дружбы и защиты?
==

ну хоть кто то про это таки сказал

Darriel
Darriel Dita 1,945, 13:41

Yeah, about time this drama comes to an end.

RussianSpirit Dita 1,945, 13:42

Komenti u fshi

New Faustian Man
New Faustian Man Dita 1,945, 13:44

o7

lovric505 Dita 1,945, 13:45

Komenti u fshi

Hollmes
Hollmes Dita 1,945, 13:48

Наконец, столь необходимая статья для обеих сторон.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/icf-1-2230753/1/20 Эта статья является почему одним из самых больших команд в Болгарии остается нейтральным. Она в настоящее время доступна только на болгарском языке.

Kauna
Kauna Dita 1,946, 05:25

1. Mercenary ops
2. Carebears
3. Drunken Masters
4. Squadron of Light
...
99. ICF

Hollmes
Hollmes Dita 1,946, 05:31

По убийства сме 1ви, а и по членове в МЮто - това имах предвид, не щетата.

Hryushkin Aleksandr
Hryushkin Aleksandr Dita 1,945, 13:50

жена молодец!

братство народов и честь не стоят никаких польских дамагов!

Ko3aTa
Ko3aTa Dita 1,945, 13:55

Come on, this is not our war when we have 3 NE over us...you pushed the things in the wrong way, and show more respect to China than to Bulgaria. Bulgarians will not fight against you, and I have no bad feelings to have good relations with Russia, but in case we have 3 NE's you should leave Poland to have their war with China, and to help us - you are defending your regions from 1 country, we - from 3 top countries....You decided to support China more than us and pushed the things to our hands. I will not take decisions for Bulgaria next month, so we can continue our fake hugging drama, or you guys will FINALLY take decision and pick your allies in this game - you can't have everybody as friend or ally in this game, you should know that better than me

No bad feelings in my words.

Ko3aTa
Ko3aTa Dita 1,945, 14:07

sorry for my english also

Geniuse
Geniuse Dita 1,945, 14:14

where is poland-china war, bro ?

Demon Lee
Demon Lee Dita 1,945, 14:19

Yes i want to ask the same thing : Where is the poland-china War ?

AleksRaynor Dita 1,945, 14:20

Komenti u fshi

AleksRaynor
AleksRaynor Dita 1,945, 14:25

Well, I can agreed we must help our Bulgarian brothers, and you can see your battles in list of out MoD daily orders (just next to our battles for Mother Russia). But stop talk about China please, this is кони invasion into Russia!

sleft
sleft Dita 1,945, 14:51

where is poland-china war, bro ? х2

nimnul
nimnul Dita 1,945, 15:03

It seems to me that you even do not understand the sense of the current situation.
We pushed the things in the wrong way? Maybe it's we who attacked Poland? You have no support from TWO, that's why you are losing against 3 enemies now. Because TWO is fighting against us. And you suggest us to let Poland conquer all our lands and help you instead?
.
Russia is defending it's regions beeing attacked by YOUR ally and you say it's OK? You cannot even argue them and demand to stop the senseless war.
.
Russia shows more respect to China than to Bulgaria? In what way? That's an amazingly childish statement. You consider our struggle for our sovereignty as support for China but at the same time you are fighting for your core regions. Does that mean that you show more respect to Poland than to Russia?
.
The innuendo, that we haven't chosen our allies from a president of a country which is our closest friend for more than 4 years now, is extremely hypocritical and disgusting. We entrusted our fate to CoT and Bulgaria particularly and you both declared yourself neutral. Do you hope anyone will ever trust you again?

Ko3aTa
Ko3aTa Dita 1,945, 15:12

you rent them a region then want support against them...the pact is not broken, I am not CoT and as I say I will be not taking decisions about Bulgaria next months, so we can continue hugging...CoT have many fronts opened to think of first, instead of thinking about country which is renting regions to one alliance and signing mpp's with another...Bulgaria is in CoT and will watch CoT interets, too bad really that you were not there

Sniper48
Sniper48 Dita 1,946, 00:09

> Bulgaria is in CoT
Oh, really? Than please - write this dirrectly - we are CoT, until Russia is not in CoT they are not our ally. THAT is simple. Or just cowards?

nogHuMuTe CTEHKy 6JleaTb
nogHuMuTe CTEHKy 6JleaTb Dita 1,946, 03:10

за слово innuendo я тебе все прощу

Filin.84
Filin.84 Dita 1,945, 15:13

We didn't decide to support China, but: "It’s our territory. We decide what we have to do with it."

Ko3aTa Dita 1,945, 15:23

Komenti u fshi

Fiery Hand
Fiery Hand Dita 1,945, 15:45

dog

Sniper48
Sniper48 Dita 1,946, 00:06

where is poland-china war, bro ? x3

Kukulast
Kukulast Dita 1,946, 04:01

Bulgaria defends useless regions
She goat no balls

Mankar Kamoran
Mankar Kamoran Dita 1,945, 13:59

Глупые претензии. Болгары наши давние союзники и друзяки, сомневаться в них - все равно что в себе. Хотя всякое, конечно, бывает. Наши отношения с сербами тому пример.

M.Windu
M.Windu Dita 1,945, 14:04

Voted

lOoVoOl
lOoVoOl Dita 1,945, 14:06

The clown is called russia

TorJado
TorJado Dita 1,945, 14:18

o, hail failsinho !

oDdkID
oDdkID Dita 1,945, 15:13

failsino
nice to see u here

Lemurio
Lemurio Dita 1,946, 04:07

Oh I see a mad monkey in this topic

LL Aronoff
LL Aronoff Dita 1,945, 14:12

о7

S.l.a.v.a
S.l.a.v.a Dita 1,945, 14:14

I have unfriended the current eBulgaria president (we became friends around the time when I loaded 100m for eBulgaria one time).

I don't know if I'm right or not but this is my emotional step. This does not mean I changed my warm relationships with our brothers from Bulgaria but I think having an official status CP means whatever or whoever you are - you need to be honest in front of your nation.

kronos777
kronos777 Dita 1,945, 14:19

Спасибо болгарам, бьющим за нас. Те же, кто не бьёт, имеют свои мотивы, имеют на это право, что толку предъявлять им какие-то претензии. Будет другая ситуация и они тоже помогут нам.

buba4ko
buba4ko Dita 1,945, 14:31

well, for me it is so strange that eGreece did not try to help eRussia, but pushed all their forces to delete eBulgaria - very interesting.
Anyway, may be our president had to say that we have to abandon our regions and firght for eRussia, but this is too big responsibility for him and difficult to decide!

buba4ko
buba4ko Dita 1,945, 14:42

remember that the current situation in eBG is extremely difficult - attacked from 3 sides by strong EDEN countries.

nimnul
nimnul Dita 1,945, 16:46

You are absolutely right. That's why a diplomatic resolution of the issue is necessary. It's in Bulgaria's interest. When Poland leaves our regions and starts supporting Bulgaria instead of senseless fighting against the CoT ally, and both TWO and Russia will be able to support you, you will recover your regions

S.l.a.v.a
S.l.a.v.a Dita 1,945, 14:46

I can speak for myself and will just confirm that if I had anymore energy buttons I would fight for eBulgaria with the same energy because presidents and politicians come and go but brothers stay brothers and real friends stay friends regardless of the politician games. If we see that brown plague continue to spread onto eEurope and eWorld - do we agree with that ?

If eBulgaria gov would like to see eRussia in CoT, I would expect that on official level the position had to be pretty clear (stop war and support us) but NOT as it is till now.

Ko3aTa
Ko3aTa Dita 1,945, 14:52

You waited for USA and BR to became more proCoT before thinking of that...official level - you even had referrendum about this, you should apply, Bulgaria can't invite you because we like you...I hope you get the point.

RoteBaron
RoteBaron Dita 1,946, 09:09

Man, before all, Bulgaria and Russia are friends and allies in quite another level, and until now CoT never stood between us. But, I think you overestimate the Circle, you forget why it was organised, and what was first idea behind CoT!..CoT told, we are not damagehood, and we are fighting for true brotherhood..and what is it doing now??..It searches for Lolish damage, Bulgarian political elite befending itself with CoT leaves Russia for Loland! Please, dont destroy anymore Bulgarian Russian Brotherhood Relationships!

S.l.a.v.a
S.l.a.v.a Dita 1,945, 14:47

(energy bars, of course)

Ko3aTa
Ko3aTa Dita 1,945, 14:53

"Bulgarian told that Russian needed to let Poles go to China. But why? We can hide Bulgarian from Turks on our territory" - this is not truth...we will never try to hide from Turkey (are we playing same game?)

"But why do Bulgarian consider the relations with Russia only in question of CoT? Or our MPP is not enough for mutual friendship and defense?"
Over 60% of the Bulgarians fought for you, and you knew that they will. As we were fighting on 3 sides, you wanted politicall support from us (as we said, we are both sure about the military support, no matter what will happen) against ally country (and hoping to bring whole CoT with us). What was the problem with Poland losing their CoT mpp's and who want and to fight for you. You pushed the things in our hands to take decision for CoT, for you and for ourselfs, again fighting with 3 enemies...With two words, you wanted to make us with more enemies (I am not saying that you planned this) but that was the result...meanwhile trying to defend your territories you want from us to fight on one side with Croatia and China...plus in the same time, you rented a region to TWO - the same alliance that you fight with for your territories...
With two words - you rent region to TWO, sign EDEN mpp's and blame Bulgaria and CoT for that...that's why you don't have MY support, learn your lesson better next time.

Geniuse
Geniuse Dita 1,945, 15:06

>learn your lesson better

who are you to f... lecture me? (c)

Krum III
Krum III Dita 1,945, 15:22

He is the CP of Bulgaria from whome Russia requires help.

Ko3aTa
Ko3aTa Dita 1,945, 15:22

ok, that was little emotional and sounds really bad...you maybe didn't have intensions to make things worse for us, but that is the result...

elAngelo
elAngelo Dita 1,946, 13:12

That current CP of Bulgaria is shame for our community:(

nimnul
nimnul Dita 1,945, 16:35

With two words, you wanted to make us with more enemies (I am not saying that you planned this) but that was the result...
___________
We wanted you to force your friend to stop a senseless war against your another friend so that both of them could then help you against your enemies.
That's why I personally insist on diplomatic support not on military.

 
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