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in regards to the content...meh mostly rubbish

whats /p/ mean? sorry getting behind the times 😃

/p/ is politics in the 4chan chat boards. It would be smart to avoid visiting that place if you want to keep off the watch lists.

normally I do

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But the content didn't excite me so...

Wily UK MoD Serf is doing everything to ruin Canada and he was made the middleman in the deal. I was honestly ashamed. FA nightmare all the way. And then to justify it with some pig disgusting capitalist reason was another embarrassment.

Canada has had other FA-challenged CP's.

Sad to hear that Dill isn't keeping folks happy - he is a great guy.

great guy, just cant handle the heat of sneaky enemy diplomats....or to push the proper proposal buttons

cCc Chickensguys cCc

Dill deserves every bit of the back lash that he's getting for signing that terrible deal.

GLORY FOR CHICKENSGUYS. DOWN WILL DILLPICKL

\o/ Waw, you government really is f*cked.

One day I might come over and join the chaos 😛

I will send my bro Chew to your country. He is the best thing that ever happened to UK.

What is going on right now is much bigger then the FYROM deal. We can all question decisions made by this government, but right now we need a united front. Crucifying Dill is not helping anything right now, and I guarantee he's making decisions he thinks are in Canada's best interests and those of our allies.

We prioritized wiping Spain/Poland over fighting off FYROM. That is the decision that was made, and as a result both Spain/Poland were given a well deserved smack down. Yes, we could have taken our allies up on their offering of assistance, but it was made clear this would jeopardize current major wars. Dill did not want to ask our allies, such as Portugal, to abandon their planned wars when it could be avoided by "tolerating" FYROM.

That decision has been made and what we must do now is move forward. None of these "articles" offer any constructive advice, only hate and divisiveness. We need to stand together right now, when the threat is averted then we can revisit all this with hindsight and full disclosure.

Again... Spain happened much later. Let us not muddle up chronology. The deal was doing Ireland's and Aurora's bidding and happened much earlier.

If Fyrom deal was a mistake, acknowledge that in public. Accountability is what we look in a leader. I specifically asked multiple times if Greece was ok with the deal. This is why.

You guys stop doing things in the background. Be transparent. If you want to make deals, hold a public referendum. You are not bigger than your country.

1. We were informed well in advance of the operation in Spain. When FYROM was moving into our cores, Portugal was NE'ing Spain. It was not much later, this was happening at the same time. To their credit, Portugal was willing to drop everything and help us. We told them we could figure something out with FYROM so they could smack Spain.

2. The FYROM deal was not a mistake. I told you the decision was made to not drain allied resources when we could tolerate their presence. You may not agree with it, but it was the option the government chose to pursue given the circumstances. I strongly supported helping our allies after all the love we received. The SG's of LETO and Asteria both told me personally that the deal helped them a lot and was the right decision.

3. Greece was ok with the deal. Obviously I can't go into details right now, it is a delicate situation. We can review it at a later date with hindsight and full disclosure.

4. I am all for transparency, but in international relations, even in eRep, you have to have private conversations so you can shed off public posturing and say what you really want.

5. Making deals with other countries is the prerogative of the government. Given the time sensitivity of the situation, there was not enough time to hold a referendum and it was not necessary. Dill has been elected to direct foreign policy, that is what he did.

1. In the meanwhile, on the other side, your enemies wanted to gang attack you. Fyrom was even hesitant but were being egged on by the other countries. Spain was also being asked to join in. They were hesitant too but if they had been free and saw this path of least resistance, they would have joined in. They were wary of Portugal NE. They also were looking for another country to do a redundant AS.

2. FYROM deal was a huge mistake. Just the way we are disgusted by the deal, you can't alone take the word of a few people. We are talking about people that have some nationalistic sentiments and don't really care for their reps.

3. Greece was not OK with this deal. Politicians? How many? And I will not go into some other detail regarding Greece's behavior. Greece took all the pains to keep Fyrom wiped without Congress for years. How can they be Ok with this deal? I am talking about the majority of Greek citizens, an argument elitists seem to often ignore.

4. You were making deals without consensus. That is fascism. There are many ways to inform your country men not just public articles. Brainstorm of the ways and you will think of atleast 10 in the next 5 minutes. Your deal was made public in UK. Nothing was written about it in the Canadian media. If it weren't for Crisfire, it would have gone unnoticed by the majority.

Saying what you really want, assuming you find Fyrom and Croatia repugnant would actually diplomatically help your cause. There is a reason why that is ok because you are hanging out with countries that have a mutual feeling of repugnance towards them.

5. Making deals with other countries is the prerogative of the government. Wrong! Government < country. No time? I saw how many days it took you to reach that agreement. You guys asked us to stop whining when we were inquiring.

Dill has been elected to be a leader. You guys have time to waste on duplicitous behavior with enemies and -cringe- in public media. That is just bad diplomacy.

1. That's news to me, I heard nothing of the sort. If we were getting gang banged that badly, not much could be done. Take the wipe and RW back regions. We aren't a major power, so you can't honestly expect us to be able to fend off Spain/FYROM and Croatia.

2. This is a non-answer. We did this to allow our allies to focus on more important battles. We sucked up our pride for the sake of our allies who have had amazing success. That was the decision of this government and I stand by it.

3. Greece was ok, but I cannot disclose the particulars because of the sensitive nature of the issue. We can revisit this in the future when we are able to disclose everything. Perhaps we will release the information in CDC and one of your "informants" can leak you the evidence.

4. The deal was made by the senior cabinet. We were elected to govern, and that is what we did. We believed the deal was in our best interests and in the best interests of our allies at the time. I'm sorry you disagree with it, and we can agree to disagree on this one because I am well aware of your position. I will give you that I have no idea why UK was mediating this deal, I am not directly involved in FA, but at least SerF held up his end.

5. Foreign affairs is the prerogative of the executive. I think you're reading too much into a browser game thinking this is real life. The CP dictates foreign policy, that's how it has always been,

Are you making the accusation that we are colluding with Canada's enemies? Come our and say it, do you think I am a Croat or FYROM sympathizer? Do you think I want to see Canada be wiped? I would like to think there are people in our community that know me better then that, and to be honest, until a few weeks ago I didn't even know who the hell you were.

Actually I am done talking. Whatever I said was ignored and they all were spot on. I am confusing with RL? You are the one working and I am allegedly trolling. Carry on and handle it the way you please. I have other things to do now. Night Night 🙂

We fought the AS. We asked Greece for help and they were helping. So was MEK and one other major MU I forget now. You can make up as much history as you want but do you think we are all to stupid to remember 2 weeks ago?

Also FYROM did not break the deal. It was 12 days in length. Once it was over, it was over. They just took advantage of the opportunity Croatia presented like the good little leeches they are.

yes we gave them a NAP so they could then attack us latter with the help of a big brother. What a strategic stroke of genius on the part of our government! Lets defend this action shall we!

Croatia did not want or need FYROM's help, they are pretty clear about that. If anything it is to our advantage, giving us more RW options and two 24 hour clocks instead of just one.

lol right....

Why would Fyrom break a deal that works so well for them?
You want to again believe in Croatia's lies? They don't want to antagonize Greece which is why they are keeping the connection low key.

Make up your fantasies, it does not really matter, as It does not change what we have to do.

I make up fantasies? You said "In 10 days it will be over if Team Canada stops whining". "The supreme art of winning wars is not by fighting".

lol sure I make up fantasies.

sorry "The supreme art of subduing an enemy is by not fighting" Idk you know that line better. You should donate it to Fyrom.

Strength and honour. o7

You people act as is a wipe is seriously a big deal to Canada.

Every time there's been a wipe for eCan, we've banded together and put aside petty politics.

Apparently the new guys didn't get the memo, cause they're just using it to push people further apart.

Why are we the ones vilified again? You don't see the rigidity of the government? Mistakes they had been warned of by the "new guys" cos "new guys" have dealt with the perpetrators from a very close range in the past.

They were willing to believe the enemies more than us due to petty party politics.

Let them meet us half way. I am willing to work with anybody. I can't help you if they are withholding information by being elitist snobs.

The problem isn't that no one is willing to listen to you. In fact I think it's fair to say that most of the people in this country that you would consider "elitists" are happy to get more information on situations as they develop and would welcome a new perspective.

What people have a problem with is those "new guys" screaming about how terrible a job someone is going to do, then after something happens waiting just long enough for it to be completely unsalvagable and you getting on your soapboxes and screaming about how you saw it coming the whole time.

Then instead of taking your point, moving on, and giving insight into what the "enemy's" next move might be, you go back into the shadows and wait for something else to happen and then do it all over again.

Despite what you say here it's pretty clear that you aren't willing to work with anybody. If you were these little situations wouldn't keep popping up.

I told them very nicely at first. Repeated it in several threads where they could see it. I put it indirectly so that it doesn't come across as I am telling them what to do. I didn't wait. I have repeatedly warned them.

Next move. I know what will happen. Do you want to hear it now? When have I been in the shadows? lol you got to be joking about that. Every time someone has graced us with some kind of information, I have spoken. Today is my off day 😃 so I am going on a bit much lol.

Let me contribute. Give me a position in FA or next month I will circumvent the whole thing and start doing things for Canada's sake. I am almost done whining lol. My habit is after that is done, I go to no-talking mode :> That is my next move.

You aren't being vilified, you have a different point of view than the president and think he's doing badly, the point that matters is how you're all doing nothing but yelling and screaming about it calling for impeachment instead of trying to help him do a job you think is better.

Whining about how bad he is the whole month and then hoping someone better is elected isn't helpful, that still leaves us with someone you consider a bad leader in charge. Why not put all your great knowledge and experience with these perpetrators to help him do better with the time he's still got as CP.

Besides that, it isn't just "new guys" that are on your side of the issue, there are plenty of long time members of eCanada with the same view. It's just that the most vocal thus far have been newcomers.

Ok I will start talking with the Greeks lol

Bingo.

When you elected Dill, eUK couldn't have been happier!

No one in LETO is angry with us.

"As for Asteria, it's true some individuals are not happy,"

maybe even worse then having people in LETO angry with us...