This is Outrageous
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by Colin Fox
Recently, there has been a great injustice done upon Scotland by Westminster. Over the past several years I have actively worked for the Yes campaign and have had much hope and anticipation for the independence referendum this September. No matter if you agree with my politics, my opinion on Scottish independence, please take a moment to read on and why this injustice isn't just a Scottish issue.
As you can read in this article HERE you can read about how the democratic process has been violated and a nation's natural right to self-government being forcibly stripped from us. This isn't just a Scottish issue, it is now a UK issue.
If a nation has a referendum vote for national self-determination, to deny them that is only possible under tyranny. For 75 years we've voted Labour and received Tory-coalition governments. Even Labour has been hijacked by conservative pro-Tory MP's or simply became moderate cowards. England is heading in one direction, Scotland another, the Union between the two simply won't serve the interest of either countries.
This chance for independence not only brought us hope of having a government we actually voted for, but the greatest chance for us to correct the social and economic ills in Scotland. I've been a part of the Radical Independence Campaign as well, we seek to lift the 1/4 children out of poverty, to keep university education tuition-free, scrap the Bedroom Tax, and seek to install clean and renewable energy sources all over Scotland. The fact that all this hope has potentially been shot down forcibly by Westminster is a direct violation of democracy.
Whether or not you are for or against Scottish independence, an Englishman or Irishman or Jamaican - etc, any citizen who is conscious of their natural rights should feel this injustice and let them know this is unacceptable.
My hope is this will give the Scottish people a clear enough sign that we need independence from Westminster. We need independence from the UK. It is time we go our seperate ways. We are not pro-right wing here in Scotland, we are not anti-immigration, we are not okay letting bankers gamble with our economy, we simply do not have the same interests and if any government doesn't represent the people it governs than it is inherently undemocratic and tyrannical.
In other news, I Colin Fox have been taking it upon myself to independently recruit more members to our beloved People's Communist Party in hopes of bringing together eBrits to fight for equality and eSocialism. This has proved a difficult task and will continue to work for the betterment of the PCP and eUK.
Your's Truly,
Colin Fox
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If you're going to go, take us with you!
I'd have never have guessed you were part of the RIC by the solid, non-tribal, arguments you have put across here.
Aren't you american irl?
Scottish. I am currently doing work in America, but will be back in a couple months.
my bad
Scotland forever slaves
Voted for the truth.
In fact, for anyone who reads this and is interested in changing their mind on the issue, I recommend three videos.
The first is from Alan Bissett, and is a rather good watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-znkbMzi4A
The second is a recent speech from Tommy Sheridan in Kirkcaldy, which I was unlucky to be unable to atten😛 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6GsEKrCvgw
And the third is this twenty minutes of Channel Five's the Wright Stuff. Ill-informed, frankly stereotyped stuff. Way to talk down to us: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm5EBDa42ck
why would you want to see tommy sheridan...
Because he has an opinion on the subject that would be interesting to hear, to widen your spectrum of views on the subject.
Much appreciated, Prof. J Moriarty
The SNP has consistently fecked up their ideas and arguments. Simply put, the promises they made that Scotland will have with independence is total rot. England can choose to give you nothing if they want. That includes our money, our security, our wealth, our pound, our share of the Oil.
Oil won't make you rich. Shale Gas is the future, and you have feck all of it whereas England has one of the largest deposits.
Oh, and plz take the Tories with you, we don't want them either 🙁
You can keep the damn Tories! Move to Scotland and join the independence movement if you want to get away from them, they will forever rule over the UK.
I do not necessarily support the SNP, but I do credit them for bringing the independence debate to the center stage of Scottish politics. Radical Independence, the Red-Green coalition, has basically hijacked the Yes campaign from the nationalists and thus it is my hope that we secede from the Union and finally elect a government in that we actually voted for!
Also, have your trillions and billions of debt. and we'll take the oil that would be in our ocean. And anyway, do you hence take a share of Canada's oil? No, didn't think so. The share of the oil is what would be in your maritime borders, which is next to nothing. Security? What security? Wealth? What wealth?
"Oil won't make you rich." Yes, tell that to Norway. I'm sure they will immediately discredit their 500 million oil fund as poverty.
And the general elections, where you consistently elect Tories, or the Red Tories that are Labour, beg to differ who actually wants the Tories.
I do not care about what Scotland wants to be, but shale gas is no future.
Investments are high, pollution is high, danger of earth quakes and it leaks methane gas (30 time more dangerous than CO2).
The big oil companies are already stopping their investments in shale gas.
Sun & wind are the future (and maybe fusion power).
Germany knows this, stopped nuclear power, changed to wind and sun and has low prices of energy nowadays.
Don't forget tidal. Its the best option, certainly in Scotland.
Aren't you a kiwi IRL Bohnut?
What those in the YES camp fail to understand is that upon voting YES, Westminster is responsible for getting the best for the remainder of the UK. Westminister would have no obligation to do what is best for Scotland. And during the negotiations, there will be some things that the SNP will demand, but will be deemed a bad deal for the UK so will be rejected. Likewise there will be things the UK will demand, but Holyrood will reject.
The report doesn't say that Westminister will reject the notion of independance - if Scotland votes YES then you will gain it. No one has said otherwise - we'll except for Alex Salmond who is naturally spinning it for pro-YES properganda purposes. It is logical sense for the "divorce" not to go through until both sides are happy with the settlement.
Although I think the UK will be better off for all if Scotland voted NO, the sort of anti-English xenophobic ranting by sections of the YES campaign makes me wish Scotland would naff off. A month ago I took the view that if Scotland went independant then you'd go with a thought of "Good luck for the future". Now I feel a sense of Schadenfreude at the feeling of Scotland getting the leaders it deserves - deep down I am starting to hope Scotland does decide to default on its share of the debts and the reaction from the markets...
With independance comes many benefits, but also some high costs. According to Salmond, there are no costs to independance and he calls anyone who tries to point them out as bullies or anti-patriotic etc. I pity those floaters who are con tricked into voting for Salmond who won't know what hit them when the price of independance falls in....
I can assure you my case for independence is not based on any sort of English xenophobic b/s. They are a minority in the Yes campaign, just more vocal.
I really want Scotland to stay with the UK, it will be a mess if this goes ahead.
However if Scotland does vote to leave then I want the UK Government to look after the people of the UK and not a foreign country. You can't be both independant and looked after by the UK, there are responsibilities to being a soverign state. This means:
*The Pound is the currency of the UK and managed to benefit the UK.
*If Scotland does not pay a share of our debts, we veto them from the EU.
*If Scotland moves the nuclear deterrant before we are prepared, then we veto them from NATO (a nuclear alliance).
*UK citizenship remains for the existing Scottish people/residents so that we recruit their best.
86% of the population are English and about 92% are not Scottish, so the rest of the UK isn't really going to be suffering too much.
I don't think that you understand the article you linked Colin and just went with generic outrage at nothing.
*No one says the pound is not the currency of the UK> However, as part of the UK, the pound is as much Scotland's as it is the rest of the UK's after independence. If not, then rightly so, we should no take any debt. If we can't have assets, then why take debt?
*Go on, veto us in the EU. That is, if you are still in the EU. And that is also if you want all those fishing rights and the like revoked. I'm sure Spain and France will love that.
*Go on, veto us from NATO. I'm sure USA will love having a strategic part of the NORTH ATLANTIC removed from its plans.
*Ha. Lol. Take them. Although I'll be getting rid of my UK citizenship when we leave. Doubtless so will others.
*86% of the population are English. We get who England votes for. And they call this a democracy.
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eRepublik ate my long reply...
TLDR: Since 10% of Pound users will be Scottish, it's fair to give you 10% of the votes in how to manage the Pound. Therefore you'll have no control over it.
We have no control over it right now. So 10% would be better than nothing. Therefore, independence good.
Other than the 2nd in command at the Treasury being Scottish, the last three Parliaments we just had with a Scottish Chancellor/Prime Minister and tax powers likely being part of the next round of Devolution?
Head of the Bank of England is Canadian and the country is all linked together so I'm not sure what needs to be done differently for apparently "victimised" Scotland.
Post Independence those links will go and you will need a different monetary policy more and more as the years go by, as will the UK. So sharing a currency won't work.
If you want a monetary union, we have one in place right now lol.
New Labour were only elected in Scotland because there was no real alternative, and Scottish people were still pining for Old Labour. Just because Blair, Brown and Alexander were born in Scotland does not mean I would classify them as having the same political mindset as many of the Scottish voters. Brown effectively renounced his Scottish roots anyway when searching for votes down South, Blair wasn't Scottish, and the Tories are non-existent.
I'm glad you brought up Canada. Canada exports around 80% of its total to the USA. Do you see a union between Canada and the US? No. They are different countries. As are Scotland and rUK. The imports and exports link will stay. And personally, I would rather we used the pound for maybe five - ten years, then go for it alone.
Canada and USA don't have the same currency.
I don't get it? Why do the scots seem to think they have the divine right to pick and choose what they want to have after independence. You will take your fair share of the national debt, because that's only fair when you vote to leave the UK. But why should you be entitled to any say over how the UK runs its currency or national bank post-independence.
Seriously, I'm tired of hearing Scots whine about how the whole world is set against them. An Englishman had just as much say in this Government as a Scot, yet you bleat on about how this is some kind of oppressive English government that domineers over Scotland.
I'll tell you what is unfair, the fact that Scot MPs get to vote on English issues but we have no say over Scottish issues? If anything, Scotland is favoured more by Westminster than England. There is no English Parliament y'know, weren't allowed Devolution like you were.
Ssssshhhh they don't like being reminded of the 'Caledonian' issue, helps them feel that they're the victims. At least in Ulster our lot abstain on matters affecting England only
Firstly, thats the parties fault. Blame the Tories and labour for that. SNP abstain from all votes that do not concern Scotland. And we should have a say as it is our currency and bank too? I wouldn't say we have d vine right, I just feel like we should be negotiating on things. Westminster policy at the moment is "You can't have this, you can't have that, if you don't do this we'll veto you on that". Thats not negotiating. Thats Westminster throwing the toys out of the pram.
Secondly, considering that we only compromise 8% of the population, we have much less of a say on the Government we get. Its a known fact that whichever party wins over "Middle England" wins the vote. Scotland is traditionally a socialist, left-wing party, whilst England is veering drastically to the right.
Scotland favoured more? Yes, maybe when it comes to being Tory guinea pigs for the poll tax and the like then yes.
I agree with the stance taken by Westminster because the nationalists/Yes campaign look just as pathetic. "Scotland's future is secure" "lolnotrlytho".
Voting no in September.
Is it what we aspire to achieve that is "pathetic"? You know the next muppet in government will be the same as Cameron, why would you want to keep being ruled by Tory eejits?
Anyone in government anywhere is an eejit. Alex Salmond is no better. His entire policy is "INDEPENDENCE", while ignoring everything else. The only time we see him actually doing something is to criticising the "bullying" from the UNITED KINGDOM government towards a potentially independent Scotland, who wouldn't have the right to keep the British (note, United Kingdom) pound after leaving the UK. Same with the EU, just because we were a part of something doesn't mean we have a divine right to the same privileges as we would do as part of a collection of countries. Just remember the same 'eejits' as you say, in the past, granted Scotland autonomy in the UK. The same eejits were actually from the Scottish capital.
So to sum up:
* Scotland will have no say in how the Pound is managed post independence, confirmed by the three largest UK Political Parties.
* Scotland will not be in NATO since the SNP are against Nuclear Weapons.
* Scotland will probally not be in the EU because all members need to say yes (good luck with Spain), said by the President of the European Comission today.
* Scotland probally will be in the UN but not permanently on the Security Council anymore. I can't imagine anyone vetoing them but you never know. China may have an eye on setting precedent for Tibet/Hong Kong/Taiwan. Similarily, Russia may have an eye on Chechyna.
*Alex Salmond is probally going to be a dick in negotiations, refuse to pay any debts because he can't pick and choose the bits of the UK he wants and therefore give Scotland a low credit rating for years to come. Making it difficult and expensive to lend money, ofsetting any benefits of being able to raise taxes/sell oil.
So how is Scotland having more say in anything post Independence? You'll be the Kosovo of Western Europe.
Your first point; they are a coalition which have ganged up to ensure Scottish independence is achieved as difficult as possible.
Second point; I actually want that. Nuclear weapons are weapons against humanity, not humankind. If someone nukes Scotland, we're all already dead anyway. No point in having em here!
Third point: I've heard from both sides of the Spain issue however the latest forecast is that it would be likely they would be voted in. Scotland's economic assets are too valuable to pass up EU membership.
Fourth point: Agreed, probably not on the security council. I do not mind though.
Fifth point: I wish it wasn't the SNP negotiating for the future of Scotland. They have some good issues and intentions, but are quite stubborn and idealistic. I wish the first post-independence government would be the ones to decide because POST-independence you know we'll have the old Labour we used to know and love and not this sham puppet-Labour we've been hijacked by.
Honestly, I do not think it is about having more say in international affairs. I think it's about uplifting us out of poverty, become a progressive nation, champion democracy and equality, and be an example for the rest of the world to follow.
Latest forcast by whom? The President of the European Commission's forcast 11 hours ago forcast "it would be almost impossible". I think that many international institutions do not have their shit together sufficiently enough to handle this, especially the EU.
This is just a big gamble on oil money really.
You're going to be British forever.
Get. Over. It.
Scotland will vote no anyway. But if they do leave good riddance.
Every sports match where England plays- Scotland supports the other team.
Every sports match where Scotland plays- England supports Scotland
We don't need people like that.
Can't be bothered with a long speech..If I was going to vote which I will not then it would be the 'YES' vote. I don't intend returning to live back in the UK, however should my plans change (hope not as my pension is now tax free in Malta) it will hopefully be in an independent Scotland.
By virtue of studying in Scotland I get a vote 😃
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