In-depth diplomatic analysis
mihail.cazacu
The comments and the PMs generated by the previous article motivated me to expand on the ideas written there.
To begin with everybody seemed to agree that the current Serbian-Croatian rivalry is pointless from the strategic point of view:
1) Both countries can enjoy their bonuses while having all their core regions free.
Croatia has her bonuses in India while Serbia has her empire running through Montenegro, southern Italy and Southern France;
2) The war between Serbia and Croatia serves only to make Plato fat.
Therefore that issue needs little developing. What is clear, is clear.
The issue which generated a heated debate both in the comments and in the PMs was:
Why do I think it would be strategically more sound for ex-EDEN to cooperate with TWO instead of CoT?
The reason is very simple: CoT maneuvered in such a way as to eliminate any interesting option for ex-EDEN.
1) Bulgaria could have expanded into the surplus territories offered to her by Russia and then could have further expanded into the surplus territories of Iran. All it was needed was for Bulgaria to stop being hostile to EDEN.
Instead of choosing that route for expansion, Bulgaria went into Egypt and Arabia, blocking any expansion for Greece and Turkey. Nobody forced Bulgaria to do that, other than rabid nationalism.
2) FYROM could have stayed happily in Southern Italy and Southern France by simply negotiating a rental agreement with Albania and Italy.
Just like in the case of Bulgaria, they chose the path of "teaching Greece a lesson". By doing so they dragged CoT in the position from which CoT cannot offer anything of value.
3) Chile could have nicely divided South America between them and Argentina instead of plotting behind Argentina's back, be kicked out of Terra as a result and then starting the useless ping-pong which only keeps Plato's cash register ringing.
4) Back to Bulgaria: they were so bent on "getting revenge" on Ukraine that they practically opened the way for Poland and Hungary there (plus for a while to the clowns who call themselves "Moldavians").
Ukraine had several surplus regions she could have rented to Romania, thus eliminating the need for Romania to expand elsewhere. Ukraine would have kept her sovereignty, Romania would have been happy and Bulgaria would have had zero enemies in the North. Or South. Or East.
All what the key members of CoT did from day one, starting with declaring war on Turkey, Greece and Argentina and continuing with their choices for expansion could guarantee only one thing:
When the time came, CoT had nothing valuable to offer to ex-EDEN.
TWO, on the other hand, can now make most of the ex-EDEN members happy very easily.
From ex-EDEN's point of view both CoT and TWO are filled with backstabbers and former enemies. Each and every member of TWO and CoT has at one point invaded, attempted to PTO or betrayed an ex-EDEN country.
But TWO can be negotiated with while CoT is firmly blocking any possible deal.
Whose fault is that, really?
Comments
Just one-sided false TWO propaganda from an obnoxious edenite, who claimed to be a friend of Bulgaria once...
I never ceased to be a friend of Bulgaria. I kept warning Bulgarians they are making horrible strategic choices by thinking with their hormones instead of their brains.
You have those horrible choices spelled out in the article. Which one did I not warn you guys about and advise against?
"I never ceased to be a friend of Bulgaria" -> You lost me here..
A true friend does his best to stop you from making mistakes
this is funny why Chile had to bend over to Argentina?..... no way,.... also the war between Cot and Eden was because "eden Started the NE laws.....
" clowns who call themselves "Moldavians" " - you lost me here
How many of those clowns who triggered the MD-UA war one year ago, "because they needed True Patriot Medals" are real life citizens of Republic of Moldova?
in afara de tine, cui ii pasa? besides you, who gives a crap?
Are you a "real life citizen of China"?
I am not involved into the politics of China precisely because I am not a RL Chinese.
The clowns I am talking about are _running_ Moldova.
You know, our "brothers" who are part of an enemy alliance since that alliance was founded...
Misi, nu esti de ieri in joc, au ajutat in cea mai mare parte a timpului, iar faptul ca au fost in aliante diferite ne-a ajutat. In plus, cand ma tratezi cu fundul - ceea ce eRo a cam facut-o - , da-le voie ca si ei sa trateze eRo la fel.
Ei sunt vreo 20 de insi plus cateva sute de clone. Ce drepturi ti se par ca ar avea, comparat cu interesele strategice ale Romaniei?
"interesele strategice ale Romaniei" se schimba in fiecare luna in functie de CP - eram Eden, acum Junior in devenire. Cat despre clone, astea sunt peste tot.
Am pomenit clonele ca sa pun lucrurile in contextul corect. In Romania la vremea aia erau vreo 2000 de jucatori si vreo 500 de clone.
La ei erau vreo 20 de jucatori si vreo 200 de clone.
Aia 20 au provocat un drain fantastic atunci cand noi si restul aliantei aveam treburi mult mai importante, cum ar fi asigurarea congresului pentru toti membri.
Darinul ala a fost de mare porc in conditiile cand pierdusem toti MPP-urile cu SUA iar o parte dintre noi, si pe cele cu Brazilia.
About UA:
Thats all is good, but now Hungarian goverment cant think rational. They need no bonuces, but the approving that they are strong in erep after losing two World Wars in RL. And Ukraine now is only one country that is too weak for gratification of complexes of some guyz from Hungarian elite.
About appoving of force and 2 World Wars - this is almost quotes from negotiations.
Nothing new, really. That is exactly what makes most of their players tick. Real Life losers who can "win big" in a computer game.
ohh really? 😃 http://blogatu.ro/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/eromania.jpg
7-8...
War is what fuels this game .
World peace is not an option .
i see dead people...
Interesting developments can have this funny effect of bringing people back to life
Ukraine will never be freee...
I can see several scenarios leading to a free Ukraine like say:
1) A baby boom
2) A diplomatic deal with Hungary, in the larger context of TWO and EDEN cooperation
You still don't understand why Ukraine will be forever deleted.
time will tell
I cannot see how Ukraine can be forever deleted once there's a baby-boom there or once they make a deal with Hungary and get a full set of TWO and EDEN MPPs as a result.
Please explain
He can not explain, he only can shout "Ukraine will never be free" he can not think rationally!
" clowns who call themselves "Moldavians"
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Nice one! Keep dreaming about your beautiful GREEN Ukraine. How about that promise to erase Moldova, huh? I guess you forgave your RL brothers for that terrible treason they did for not being your puppet.
"The war between Serbia and Croatia serves only to make Plato fat"
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Yeah, make love, not war? Why can't we all be friends 😃
Fortunately neither TWO, nor Cot doesn't need advices from an edenite troll about how to miserably fail an alliance. Keep trying thought, it's funny and people need enjoyment.
Will do
Its easy to attack the one side and support the other but try to get into the shoes of the others and i dont think you will be talking like this 😉
Could you be more specific?
misho,i see nothing interesting in this game any more.
but it is funny though. all prominent eden members are licking cookies's ass to get back on the winnig side.so easy it was forgot what eden stood for.the whole eden propaganda agaist one/nwo/two,the hate agaist poland,spain and bulgaria,the lesson u gave us times and times again.funny it is.i am not activ in the game and i dont care what happens.
lets conclude tha last two years.eden was fighting nwo/one.all was well.we were losing big time but happy.then some secret arrangements in eden high council of dickless creatures deceided to get more damage via turkey.it succeeded partialy.damage was fact but not in the way they thought.eden lost its glory.some members left,some new come.nothing big happened but the trust was lost.eden's new divine goal was to punish bulgaria.it succeeded partialy as well but eden was down for far too long and some "loyal" eden countires left to join two.wow,big deal,cos two just uses eden ex-members to make the game more interesting.for now.now we all seat and watch how low can some ex-eden members go to be on the winning side.pathetic.
as far as politics i can state one thing.fuck all tiny virtual souls on both sides-eden,cot and two
Out of curiosity, here's the strategic situation:
EDEN is fighting 2 distinct enemies and losing badly for 1 year.
The enemies start pissing off each other;
One enemy makes a very attractive proposal to EDEN. The other enemy makes no attractive offer.
In your opinion should EDEN play this?
You feel at disadvantage?
MAKE AN OFFER EDEN CANNOT REFUSE!
here is a counter offer
rebuild eden so we can fight again
What's in it for the ex-EDEN countries compared with what they are getting now by having some members of TWO fighting for them?
And once there is an all-out war between TWO and CoT their benefits would only increase.
This is why if you guys want to reverse the trend, _you_ need to come up with a better offer.
Just complaining about TWO letting you down after you were doing their dirty work for one year won't reverse the trend.
To sum up some things, instead of giving separate responses:
The last baby boom in this game was 2-3 years ago. Everything else was made of fakes or died in the first month. The game is simply not interesting anymore for the simple user.
Ukraine can not make a deal with Hungary, since this deal would involve leaving regions to Hungary, and possibly Romania. We can pretty much say that is off the table, they will never accept this without the thoughts of revenge to be carried out later on.
I find it pretty funny that people (surprisingly not Misi this time) are trying to invoke the occupation of Ukraine as a RL thing. There is 1 region that involves RL conflicts between Hungary and Ukraine, the guy who said he will return all Ukrainian regions and restore "Greater Hungary" instead lost the elections.
Ukraine is occupied because of the resources. Thank the admins that to the west Hungary has only resources they already have, this was done intentionally by them to maintain the conflicts in the extended Balkans.
Add also the Ukraine is maybe the sole country which managed to piss of each of the big alliances. It is the only country that betrayed everybody at some point. A few other countries come close, but this is truly unique.
+1
When TWO and CoT would be at each other's throats the fact Ukraine deals half the damage of Russia might become an asset.
I look at the map and see several easy ways in which Hungary can keep bonuses, Romania can get bonuses and Ukraine get back on the map and have fun with Russia while restoring some of the bonuses.
Yes, I also see these easy ways. But they include one breaking point: some of the regions need to be occupied in order for this to happen. And Ukraine must guarantee that it will not use the money got from the freed regions to free the remaining ones. Do you think they would do that? I do not see it happening.
I give another example, for me a classic: if Romania and Hungary exchange Maramures and Southern Great Plain, they both gain +20% food bonus without wasting anything (resources or strategic position - in fact Hungary improves his). Yet it will never happen.
Make them an offer which really makes sense.
Si de-oi muri mor pune-n groapa lume si iar lume 😁
After more then a year you're still singing that song hah 🙂
I can't think of a single Bulgarian who regrets leaving EDED and founding CoT.
Many, however, now regret that we haven't taken the opportunity to adress the exEDEN countries and try to convince them to work with us insdead of TWO. I don't. Romania, Croatia, and Grecce all proved to be unttustworthy and backstabbing and I'm glad that I won't see any of these countries in my alliance.
I do feel bad for the small EDEN countries like Portugal, Netherlands and Israel, that are now left alone as their "bigbros" decided to side with their occupators, pissing on all they claimed to stand for in EDEN.
Ukraine will never get free with a diplomatic deal with Hungary and noone will try to push this deal for them - Hungarians are nice people but everyone's patience has its limit, and Hungary already has to tolerate Romania presence in TWO.
The cooperation of TWO and wannabe TWO exEDEN countries is bound to end soon. Columbia got kicked out of ACT hours after they got in cause Spain doesn't like them xD Serbia finally got that Greece and Turkey go in a package and ain't happy about it. On the other side Greeks are upsed cause Serbians refuse to call Macedonia with insulting names just to please them. Poor Greeks 🙁
About the "Serbian-Croatian rivalry is pointless from the strategic point of view" - true, but Serbians still enjoy kicking Coartian butts just cause they can xD
EDEN propaganda
mihail cazacu you are an idiot!
Thanks for your analysis
Un chinez interesat de soarta Ucrainei - nimic mai mult.
Mai degraba de soarta României, căreia voi ii tot bagati bete in roata ca sa aveți si voi o tarisoara in care sa luați medalii de congres.
Ca sa va aratati cu degetul unul pe altul si sa va acuzati care praduieste mai mult bugetul când ajunge la putere, trebui mai întâi sa existe puterea aia la care sa ajungeti.
De venit, vin vremuri interesante dac TWO si CoT se iau de beregata. Probabil ceva ajustare a granitelor va fi inevitabila.
De ce nu te duci băiețaș în eRomânia dacă ai așa mare dor de ea?
Și lasă fitilele cu eMoldova că eMoldova își vede liniștită de drum de ceva vreme.
Sau e o problema cu capra vecinului?
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