A one sided peace deal?
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There seems to be a taboo regarding the current eUK - eIreland peace treaty, especially from players of a certain eRepublik age. The majority of opinions i have seen from the demographic of our society is that this is the only road to peace with Ireland, that if we tried to negotiate a NAP with our neighbours that didn't include the land swap deal that eIreland would call for an all out war...
Now don't get me wrong, the peace deal in concept is brilliant for both sets of countries citizens and also so is the prospect of peace. It must also be noted how gracious the eIrish were in allowing us the deal in the first place, especially considering the eUK was wiped by three nations and eIreland already were in possession of the lands they currently hold in the peace treaty. And let us be honest that eCanada loves nothing more than a war with the eUK where we are out numbered so if the eIrish did see any re-negotiations of the peace treaty as an act of aggression, well you can guarantee an eCanadian opportunist invasion would follow. So from that point of view keeping the current deal is ideal for the eUK...but...
As we have already seen previously, when under attack from another nation we have no chance of defending ourselves and holding the regions in the constant RW's. Since we reclaimed Dublin and Louth we have faced a RW for Dublin every single day. Now that might be okay for true patriot medals but it is a recipe for disaster in the long haul when you consider that the eUK is the favourite venue for French and Canadian aggression.
Of course this doesnt matter to the eirish citizens, because the vast majority do not fund or fight in the RW's but they do not fight for us in them either. I have seen the odd very few helping but it is no where near the levels of eUK citizens who help fight in Scotland or Northern Ireland when RW's are started there. I have also noticed the lack of shouts from the eIrish on my friends list when a RW is on going in Dublin, shouts which you find in abundance from senior eUK figures when a Scottish RW is in full swing. So far this peace treaty seems very one sided.
Are we really to believe that if we stated our case in a very open and honest way that eIreland would see it as an act of war? Are we to believe that if we explained the situation that the eIrish congress would rush for the NE vote? Considering they offered the hand of friendship when they held all the cards then i seriously doubt it.
Also, Is the limited damage the eUK can manage best served fighting daily RW;s or directed towards allies, who in some cases desperately need that help?
Nobody wants war with eIreland, but surely there has to another way?
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Great article yet again Hugh!
Iv'e notice this too. There's always an RW taking place. We should be concentrating on helping our allies. After all the only reason we have regions at the moment is because our allies saved us from getting hammered by our enemies.
The least we can do is help them out. We as a Country need to stop being so inconsiderate and narrow minded i think.
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It is something the country representatives should be debating over; hese RWs make this treaty very high-maintenance. It would be better if the admins would just implement a feature to prevent RWs in the case of official land swaps, but since that sort of thing would only happen if wishes were money, another solution might be a better idea. Not that I can see anything that would economically help both sides as much as the present treaty, sadly.
It's good to finally have peace, though.
No i do agree about peace, it makes a nice change to have friendly relations with a neighbour who is in another alliance but doesnt want us wiped.
I'd love to see it implimented that you can only fund a RW if you are a citizen from that country, or better still where peace treaties can be arranged in game so you dont face RW's.
@impurified - awww thanks mate, kind words much appreciated
It needs to be agreed that each side is responsible for maintaining the swap deal.
Irish should have to fight in Dublin while eUK should have to fight in Scotland.
Unfortunately there are A LOT more sad idiots from Terra/Eden than there are in ONE so they constantly want to cause trouble and keep starting resistance wars and then fighting in them.
Or we need to start publishing a list of who is starting these RW's.
And we need to look to start RW's in the land swaps of our enemy's and actively fight there to mess with their plans and this constant fighting in Dublin is SO boring!!
Jordee14 brings in what is useful. It are Teden soldiers that makes this mess. So when we fight ti save Dublin in the UK we are fighting against Teden guys. Damage these Teden guys cannot use against our allies. On the other hand we gain BH, TP and CH medals and a food bonus. All will strengthen our nation.
It is far easier for UK to fight in Dublin and Ireland to fight in Scotland.
Whenever there is the time another nation is trying to invade UK we must choose where to fight (not now).
But surely if we are winning these battles then we are throwing away more damage which could be used for our allies than the Terra/EDEN ''trouble makers'' would be doing against them?
Niemand makes a fair point, if you dig through the Picasso-style grammar (I jest). To them this is almost a proxy war. The harder we fight in Irish RWs, the less troops and supplies Teden will have to attack our allies with. Indirectly, we are helping quite a bit. Not to mention if the UK holds its ground, we're keeping one more border point against Teden secure. Granted, that'll matter less than an ant's fart once airstrikes start being used.
Is it beneficial all that investment in weapons and food for an additional 10% food bonus?
Has someone ever calculated this?
we are silly enough to fight in those irish-started-RW in BOTH SIDES. enough said.
I and many others are against that treaty, but we are labelled as noobs.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/irish-regions-to-be-lost-in-two-weeks-2096915/1/20
And again, we are winning these RW's so are laying down more damage than the Terra/EDEN fighters, other wise we wouldn't have won the regions each day...so surely they are stopping us from using MORE damage for our allies than we are depriving them of using against our allies?
@Alphabethis - There is a sort of snobbery with long standing citizens who believe that asking Ireland for a renegotiation would lead to Ireland going to war with us, yet it was Ireland who made some generous steps to the peace table in the first place so it doesnt add up. Most comments i have seen just get swept aside with the rhetoric about not wanting war with Ireland.
Nobody wants war and i doubt it would lead to that. Are they saying that the Irish are so unapproachable to even talk to?
The biggest reason for Ireland aggression was Northern Ireland, handing them that region puts the onus on them and gives us a True Patriot battle to fight in. Retaking Scotland would appease those of our country that would like to see the mainland back in our control. The deal was thrashed out when we were up shit creek, months of passed and I feel relations with Ireland are vastly improved. They dont need Scotland for the bonus, only NI. Is it worth the fighting for us to have a food bonus?
I think it's probably due to you having more British people in your friends list than Irish
If Ireland win their Dublin and Louth RW's then it doesn't really matter how much effort they've put in, we get the same benefit
The fact that whenever someone brings this up that it's always TEDEN members who agree and want to see the peace fail should be enough of a reason to back the peace deal.
What would you rather? Give back dublin and Louth and take Scotland and produce less food everyday?
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Agreed with Ayame Crocodile!
@Irv Noyb : Thanks for the compliment for having Picasso style grammar. English is so damned difficult.
Why recipe doesn't rhyme on snipe?
If it means we can be more of an ally to other nations who help us, if it means an end to the daily (literally) fighting for Dublin, If it means we will not have to go through the hassle of arranging another NE with Ireland once Dublin is lost during *insert country/countries here* invasion...then yes.
and the constant explaining of it to people is driving me insane. If I have to explain it to another newb imma gonna scream...
Whatever we waste in Dublin & Louth, Ireland waste in Scotland & N Ireland - without the treaty we'd both save damage that we would just use against each other in a boring MPP battle. It's not like we could hold any other resources if we are struggling to hold regions willingly given to us by one of Europe's weakest countries.
I think it is a bit unfair to expect Ireland to put in as much damage to keep the regions as they are considering that they have significantly less population.
I am open to further negotiations and I don't think anyone sees it as a black/white, peace/war scenario. There are a lot of issues at play that need to be considere😛 bonuses, true patriot opportunities, military tactics (with Scotland particularly), and diplomacy.
My two cents, as a 'Lady of a certain age' as you so put it!
I support the treaty but there is one point that is constantly whitewashed. A significant proportion of Irish citizens fight in these RWs (in Dublin/Louth). Some even start them. It's a much higher proportion than the equivalent (of Brits) in RWs in Scotland & N.Ireland. Their RWs are constantly renewed. Usually renewing within an hour of the old RW ending. Even NW England is being attacked fairly frequently, which isn't even a RW!
Taking all of that into account, there are significant numbers of Irish citizens actively participating in these wars and they are fighting more often too. For the treaty to work, long term, the Irish government needs to make more of an effort, re' it's own citizens. Until it does so, constantly blaming everything purely on Teden will not wash...
The latest RW in Dublin was opened up by ICA (who I believe are for the treaty) and Libertad (who i believe are against the treaty) members from what I saw. So as Mckeever has stated blaming TEDEN all the time is the easy way out.
You didn't mention that a "special" minority of Irish citizens are against this peace deal despite it being democratically backed by both nations and, now and again, they engage in organised RW againt it. They (many of whom aren't even RL irish lol) claim that Dublin is our capital irl and therefore belongs to us.
There are the same few of us that fight in these RWs for Britain when there isn't an urgent DO but unfortunately we mustn't be strong enough to be noticed on the battlefield.
IMO if the Brits did back out of the deal it wouldn't lead to Ireland engaging in war straight away however it would open the door to a possibility of Ireland joining in on any future foursomes.
Nice article btw.
We need to be closer to Ireland IMO, and should back the deal all the way. we have a real opportunity to forge a true and lasting friendship with a neighbor, and with so many of our neighbors being hostile, that is something we badly need.
@waynes "and the constant explaining of it to people is driving me insane. If I have to explain it to another newb imma gonna scream... ", as a matter of fact, the ones to get it are the OLD AND ALL-WISE players, the level 40+.
I've gotten several X more BH's fighting for UK in these RW's over the last month than I've gotten in the rest of my gamelife combined : )
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@Talon So to be on good terms with Ireland we need the land swap in place? Wouldn't giving the Irish Northern Ireland (while taking noting in return) show them that we are up for being good neighbours?
@Alphabethis What are you on about? I think your misunderstanding what I'm saying. I've been labelled a traitor to my nation for fighting for IRE against the eUK, explaining to those that A) don't understand why or 😎 don't WANT to understand why is what is doing my nut in.
If the Irish are so for this land swap why are there so many of them in the top five in every battle?
Just looked through Div 3 you can see 4 of the top 5 in nearly every battle is an Irish citizen?!?
I'm not against it and they have been GREAT neighbours but when so many Irish are clearly fighting in it we have to consider it's usefulness?
Leave them with N.I. as our thanks for helping us in our time of need, the extra food bonus can't be worth all the wasted damage and the monotony surely?
The same can be said for the eUK. I'll release some stats on the Battle of Wexford 1725, a battle that we came close to losing, and only one Brit got in the top 5 in all divisions for Ireland. I am definitely in favor of peace between our nations, but let's not pretend the knife doesn't cut both ways on this. I have seen Brits fight for Ireland before, and eIrish definitely fight for the UK as well, but both nations have parts of the population who are opposed to the Treaty for sentimental...
...or Nationalistic reasons (Dublin/Scotland). We are very similar in this regard, but please give credit where credit is due. Large portions of both societies do work to preserve the peace even if most do it simply by abstaining from fighting.
Part of it will be they want RW medals, part that they want BH/patriot medals, part that some oppose the deal and part that some have it set as default DO when their real one expires. Same as us really.