A NEW ERA MAYBE? [GR/ENG]
apokoroniotis
Πολλά περιστατικά συνέβησαν τις τελευταίες μέρες.
-Το αρχηγείο της EDEN αποφάσισε να σταματήσει την ένταξη της Τουρκίας σε αυτήν.
-Πολλά μέλη της διαμαρτύρονται ότι δεν τηρήθηκε η δημοκρατική διαδικασία καθώς δεν ψήφισαν όλοι.
-Οι σχέσεις Βουλγαρίας Ελλάδας είναι τεταμένες με 2 ανοικτά Ν.Ε. να κλείνουν προς το ΝΑΙ 3.5 ώρες πριν κλείσουν οι νόμοι.
-Οι Βούλγαροι απειλούσαν δεξιά και αριστερά για την ένταξη της Τουρκίας.
-Η ΟΝΕ αν και έχει πάρει προβάδισμα στις μάχες δεν έχει ξεπεράσει τα εσωτερικά προβλήματα λόγω των αποτυχιών των τελευταίων ημερών.
H EDEN φαίνεται να πεθαίνει, η ΟΝΕ το ίδιο. Ποιο είναι το συμπέρασμα; Μήπως έφτασε η ώρα για μια νέα εποχή;
Πολλοί παίκτες έχουν αρχίσει να κουράζονται λόγω των παραπάνω γεγονότων και έχουν αρχίσει να χάνουν το ενδιαφέρον τους για το παιχνίδι. Το στρατιωτικό κομμάτι άλλωστε έχει παραμείνει το μόνο ενδιαφέρον αντικείμενο στο erepublik. Τι θα μπορούσε να το αντιστρέψει αυτό; ΝΕΕΣ ΣΥΜΑΧΙΕΣ.
Η παρούσα κατάσταση δίνει πρόσφορο έδαφος για την δημιουργία νέων συμμαχιών. Όχι όμως 2-3 μεγάλων και μερικών μικρών δορυφόρων όπως έχουμε συνηθίσει μέχρι σήμερα, αλλά πολλών περισσότερων. Ίσως και πάνω από 10. Συμμαχίες με λίγα μέλη 4-5 ίσως που θα διαπληκτίζονται μεταξύ τους και θα προσφέρουν πλουσιότερο θέαμα τους παίκτες. Φανταστείτε 4-5 συμμαχίες να μάχονται στην Κ.Ευρώπη, με 2-3 μεγάλες χώρες η καθεμία.
-Θα γίνει το παιχνίδι ποιο ενδιαφέρον; ΝΑΙ
-Θα υπάρξει περίπτωση χώρες να μάχονται εναντίων παλαιών συμμάχων; ΝΑΙ. Γιατί όχι; Ένα παιχνίδι παίζουμε.
-Θα μειωθεί η κατανάλωση χρυσού; Ασφαλώς. Το damage θα απλώνει σε όλα τα ανοικτά μέτωπα και κάθε συμμαχία θα κοιτάει τα συμφέροντα 4-5 χωρών και όχι 15. Τα 18-20 Μ damage θα γίνουν σπάνιο φαινόμενο.
Θα γίνουν σημαντικές οι μικρές χώρες; ΝΑΙ. Μια συμμαχία με 4-5 μέλη και από αυτά τα 2 να είναι ανίσχυρες, φανταστείτε πόση σημασία θα αποκτήσουν.
Διαλύστε λοιπόν κύριοι CP την EDEN και την ΟΝΕ και δώστε στον κόσμο νέα κίνητρα, νέο ενδιαφέρον. Δημιουργήστε την νέα εποχή….Συμφωνείτε ναι ή όχι; Σχολιάστε…
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Many incidents happened the last days.
-The EDEN’s H.Q. Decided to stop trial membership of Turkey.
-Many of EDEN’s members are complaining that they didn’t voted before the decision.
-Greece and Bulgaria are in crisis and both N.E. are passing with yes until now.
-Bulgarians were being blackmailing many days before about Turkey’s membership, and caused many troubles even in their own allies.
-ONE is in a winning mode, but still has problems as brotherhood cause of the past month failures.
EDEN ii dying, ONE is dying. What’s the conclusion? Maybe a new era must start?
Me and many players I believe are starting to lose interest because they are tired of these situations. What solution could change this? NEW ALLIANCES.
The current situation gives the opportunity to create new alliances. Not one or two but many. Alliances with 4-5 members how fighting each other. Not only one winner, not only one looser. No co-operations not only two or three big alliances. Just imagine 4-5 alliances in Europe fighting each other or in America.
Will the game become more interesting? YES.
Will the countries fight with old allies? YES. Why not? We are just playing a game.
Will the gold spending be decreased? YES. Powerful countries will have their own fronts. Many fronts will be open because the plenty of alliances. So the damage will be separated to many battles. So 15-2 M B.H. won’t be necessary.
Imagine one alliances with 5 members. 3 powerful countries and 2 small. Imagine the importance will have the small countries. So let’s begin the new era. Destroy ONE and EDEN. Make new alliances, the players want more interested in this game, with bad economy and political module.
Do you agree or not? Comment!
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Comments
So, in the last 2 mounts turkey was blackmailing Bulgaria, but this was not a problem for the "brotherhood". Buy when Bulgaria asked this issue to be solved once and for all - you start to cry and insult us. Where is the logic in that? But you are right - obviously both alliances are dead and we need to make new ones.
@Philipotel
I mean generally in the article that turkey made problems for brotherhoods relations, but only you fighted (hard sometimes) in allies battles. The generall point is the suggestions....
I would like to see things changing. It would make game more interesting.
Erepublik will always be a bipolar world, just like RL. Even if theres more alliances they will come together against common enemies.
It would be a lot more exciting to have more alliances but unfortunately it`s not possible.
Unless.... admins change the war module rules, for example not be able to have a Indonesian fight in a RO - HUN war from his country and he will be forced to move to one of the belligerents.
This would create the premises of having local alliances.
If we feel sorry, for what have been lost,we should look back and try to find the reason behind it. We have lost,what we used to consider a Brotherhood. Damn those, who brought the odious Turkish/Trojan horse in EDEN! Up to a certain point, these are the same people,who brought us to the current ridiculous situation: Greece to NE Bulgaria.Because these people considered themselves advocate of Turkey! They feel guilty and choose to to hit. Do you see such behavior from Croatia? Why Romania doesn't NE Bg?! Why Greece? Shame on you,hypocrites!
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@wallacian
I agree with that.New game mechanics would very usefull...
many mistakes, obviously not because you wanted to make them, but because you hear these flying all over.
1) Yes, there were members that abstained. So? Did anyone forbid them to participate the procedure?
The whole "voting" thing was just illegal. The Bulgarian veto should have been accepted at the first place.
2) It's not the first time that Bulgaria says "No" to Turkey. Had happened before, while Terra was first created and Turkey was about to join them. Then, it was not only Bulgaria that protested, but Greece too. We have to accept that they don't want Turkey as ally. It's not that difficult after all
3) "Bulgarians were being blackmailing many days before about Turkey’s membership, and caused many troubles even in their own allies". This is so much true, but I would also sum into this, the general feeling they had that the alliance was ignoring them. In each case their actions were UNACCEPTABLE.
These words are the words of a man that still feels the Bulgarians as friends, but also love to see Turks in same alliance as Greece. It's not oxymoron, it's just my point of view.
Within 20 days max, the whole alliances map will be changed completely.
@mekong
I don't know exactly what happened between us,i am not either a congress meber,or a govs member, i am writin only for the conclusion. But your behviour about turkey was wrong from the begining. Yes you had the wright to complaint but no this way. Here in greece we say: when a man has right,but its behaviour is bad to support it,then he is wrong finally....
@Clairvoyant
Συμφωνώ ίσως έχει ασυμφωνίες το άρθρο καθώς δε ξέρω την ιστορία απόλυτα,απλώς έβαλα κάποια περιστατικά που διάβασα δεξιά και αριστερά για να ξεκινήσω την σκέψη μου.
-V-
-Αν και δεν πιστεύω ότι χρειάζεται να διαλυθούν οι παρόν συμμαχίες για να γίνει η νέα era (που σίγουρα θα γίνει) η Βουλγαρία ,η Κύπρος κτλπ κράτη θα φτιάξουν από μόνα τους την νέα era!-
apokoroniotis: "But your behviour about turkey was wrong from the begining.Yes you had the wright to complaint but no this way."
But which way,do you think,we should have been complaining?! Complaints?! And to achieve what??
@ mekong
I beleive that there more peacefull ways.Anyways i don't blame you for you opinion abot turkey,but for your reactions...
agree
Dear apokorniotis,
which are these ways? Can you list them?
To make it easier, if you were in our shoes,what would you have done?
Stop fighting for eden.Fight against turkey if you want,but NOT opposite your own allies....
We have been blackmailing? LOL We were the ones who were blackmailed all this time. We even got blocked from economic development as a "punishment" because of our veto. We were said, you'll have regions only if you accept turkey as a member. We got threatened, insulted, trolled for whole 2 months. Our reactions is unacceptable? I think our people were even more patient with this than they should have been. I've been calling for us to leave this "alliance" for weeks already, but just waiting for my compatriots to wake up.
mekong whisky and wildrunner
I would first try and get along with Turkey. If this was impossible, and my veto was ignored, I would impeach the HQ right away. Of course I would let the people of EDEN know why is that and that they did to deserve this. For far too long, people of EDEN had no clue what the problem was and were only looking at you RW against a friendly eCountry, fighting against allies ect.
But your behviour about turkey was wrong from the begining.
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And who are you to say this? It is not our fault that a few puppetmaster wannabes made some shady deals without asking those who will be most affected by this i.e Bulgaria. Now you'll say that our CP agreed and bla bla but I'll tell you that there were talks with previous BG goverments about that and they refused. So the puppetmasters just waited for a BG CP to come that will agree, and that CP didn't even inform the congress about that. The knew there will be problems but they thought that they will cover it all up with propaganda ( smee again), but they failed. Read the logs, they are out.
The problem is,that you think, we had only the right to "complaint". But only if we do it in the right way.
I believe that we have the right to fight,for what we stand for.Injustice has been done. I think,that you have not been following the events closely.But I'm not going to complain.
@mekong whisky
political actions is not complaint. Also, if you address to me with "I think,that you have not been following the events closely", you are just misinformed. I followed all events since the very start VERY close.
v
Bulgarians stop be so arrogants!
@wildrunner , @ mekong
I am just telling the opinion,as i said above iam not gonressman or gov.member,and i don't know all the incidents.I tried to write some facts to show the eden's problems.i didnt write an article neither to blame bulgaria or to find who is falt.I just suggest a sollution,new alliances that's the point of the article 🙂
savvasferrari, θα ηθελα να δω τι θα καναμε αν μας καθιζαν τα Σκοπια με το ζορι στην EDEN. Αμα το παλουκι ειναι σε αλλο ποπο, ολα ειναι μια χαρα.
I don't want to be in the same alliance with spoiled children who constantly insulted my country.Clairvoyant you may lick as much us you like the bulgarians but NOBODY plays with my honour or my country's pride
I don't give a f*ck about Bulgaria,i don't give a f*ck about anyone except my country.
Bulgarians will see our honour in their RWs and hope that they'll have enough damage to keep those bonuses.If not,they may go cry to failsino and his card.
savvasferrari, see your problem is that you think you're entitled to tell us all the time what we should do and shouldn't do, even the way we should react when we've been blackmailed.
Yesterday our CP showed you what you've been doing to us for whole two months. What was your rection? Mass butthurt, cries and even NE law proposals. And you people think our reactions for enduring this for whole 2 months was unacceptable? I'm telling you, we've been extremely patient given the circumstances.
@The_Clairvoyant ,I know,that you are well informed and well opinionated.Now I saw your last comment.I was addressing apokorniotis.Unfortunately, we had to do all,what we did.But suggesting,that "there were more peaceful ways", shows that one is not adequately informed about the problems we were facing.
But actually ,I'm one of the 40%,who voted "yes" on Tr's admission in EDEN.
too much virtual honor lately, relax and enjoy the game Chrxstos. The exact same honor is that lead Bulgarians into this situation.
swstos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BLOW IT ALL UP
(and build it again)
@Chrxstos,actually, you were one of the people who used to troll us everywhere,from the beginnig.But now I see ,that you have found an excuse for your arrogance, the love for your country....If you don't like spoiled(?)kids for an alliance, I hope,that you'll find a game for you,with some civilized,well mannered mustachioed Turks and Albanians.
"too much virtual honor lately, relax and enjoy the game Chrxstos. The exact same honor is that lead Bulgarians into this situation. "
1)well if i call you b*tch will you think that it's about the game or about you?
2)Do you categorize your honour?
Game honour-Real life honour-Football honor etc?
I agree to differentiate the game with RL but that includes also the pseudonationalism and the insults against our country
bro, it matters alot, who's calling you like this, and if he worths even a dime. And yes it's lots of times that i'm pissed with comments or phrases but then i realize that the one that's calling my country names IN A BROWSER GAME is no better than a low lifer. So, no harm done
mekong i was one of the few people who wanted Bulgaria in EDEN,not all those spoiled children.
If you think that Bulgaria has only spoiled children sorry it's your problem : )
"Chrxstos,actually, you were one of the people who used to troll us everywhere,from the beginnig.But now I see ,that you have found an excuse for your arrogance, the love for your country....If you don't like spoiled(?)kids for an alliance, I hope,that you'll find a game for you,with some civilized,well mannered mustachioed Turks and Albanians. "
lol'ed.I think that you should read again what civilized mean.
btw could you provide me few ss with my trolling.You will find several comments in articles almost the same "I don't want to be in the same alliance with spoiled children".Does Spoiled children for you represent the Bulgarians?
Generalizations are for illiterates
Since eBulgaria have joined Eden more than a year ago, we said only one time NO to Eden and not exactly to Eden but to eTurkey in Eden.
Is there atleast one player in this fukin game who didnt understand that last 3 months? Yes, our CPs made several mistakes but the bulgarian people did only two things - two referendums. Bulgarians said NO eTurkey in Eden and said we want stay in Eden.
The HQ did its best to make us accept eTurkey:
- they ignored our Veto
- they took officially our rights of full member
- they took 2 of our resources
And when we said again NO eTurkey in Eden, you called us traitors. Ok, I dont give a sh*t if you insult us or blame us cause you reached your goal - we are out of Eden despite we wanted to stay but as equal member, not a puppet.
3 months were more then enought to solve this problem
v
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