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you know bro

"Bro"? Really?

yes bruh

But why?

cuz why not?

8/10. Needs more cats.

got mili vanilli doe...

So I think we can pretty much read into this exactly what I predicted is playing out - Wayne and his cronies maneuvering themselves ready to take up the reins of power just like they did last time.

Whereas your clique is the only one who can be trusted to deliver what you think is best for the eUK?

The knifing of the former CP is down to the actions of the former CP and is not an endorsement of King Willy. When the congressmen of 4 parties out of five agree on something (a rarity) then sometimes that might be a big clue that the other party might be wrong.

If I can be accused of anything it’s pointing out a ‘them vs us’ situation was already clearly going on when Dapper and BigAnt ran Ajay for CP and you ‘forgot’ to run Chaz in time. Had they not later knocked WRP out the top 5 to secure the votes needed with UKPP and daft TUP backing Ajay would never have the keys like originally intended this month.

UKPP can claim to be sitting on the metaphorical fence being the middle man needed to ‘calm things down’ with BigAnt, Ajay & Dapper but we’ve seen this story peddled before and I gamely await history to repeat itself

From my return, all I have seen is you pedal this Us v Them. You can attempt to stick the blame on to others, But you dun goofed. Rather than trying to deflect it, hold ya hands up to it. Admit it hadn't gone to plan and move on. No shame in doing wrong, but all the shame for not admitting it.

UKPP ain't sitting on the fence at all. I assure you most of those active dislike you due to your recent actions. But that as Mr Knee and Pauly have pointed out is not the same as supporting BigAnt/Dapper.

" No shame in doing wrong, but all the shame for not admitting it." Oh the irony - this has to be the best troll comment in the history of erep!

The problem Mr Bramley*** has is that he sees the rejection of himself as being support of King Willy, Big A*** and the person formerly known as Commander Dipstick. He doesn't realise the two things are two completely different things. In an ideal world, King Willy wouldn't have been the runner up.

The prior antics of the trio are well known and nothing needs to be said as people give them the due level of respect. However, by actively and openly taking the stance that such people who disagree with his (Bramley's) views should be censored is setting a bad presidence. Banning someone as you think they are scumbags or any other lame insult (I'm sure Mr Bramley can think of more apt terms, but is sensible enough to know using them might be against game rules) oversteps the mark. I get the feeling Mr Bramley thinks he was entitled to act like a dictator thinking he was safe due to the risk of King Willy getting in.

Better to let the "scumbags" speak and let people judge the merits (or not) of what they say and let them bury themselves given enough rope...

As hinted above, Mr Bramley and clique have slowly pushed a "us v them" narrative as a way of uniting the country against a common enemy - unfortunatly and ironically, this has been successful except slowly the number of "them" has increased.

It'll be interesting to see what TUP will do in the future. Since Mr Bramley and Co will no doubt see the "Et tu, Brute?" moment as TUP now being part of "them", will their disgust at the betrayal push the party away?? (while the majory of people outside the Lemon Party don't wish to see King Willy etc in power, if it is a case of Sir Bramley verses someone not King Willy / BA, then will TUP automatically support the UKRP as before?)




*** I'd normally use Mr Apples to refer to the former CP, but for anyone who knows their fruit will be aware that the Bramley is a very bitter and sour type of apple - which thinking about it doesn't sound like the former CP at all....

Man, been a long time since I tried to figure UK politics. I thought barber shop doctors ran things in the background.

Anyhow, fun to see some names I recognize and, as always, good to have that special form of British entertainment. A unique mix of Benny Hill and Keeping up appearances.

Pickle. Your name is disgusting.

thats dill?

"wonderful" isn't it
and THAT name 😛

I made a bet with Rylde for hockey playoffs. If I won he was to change his name to Miss Sweet Babycakes. 😃

Never bet against a RL Canadian when you know nothing about hockey!

You should have consulted me.

The TUP/UKRP way has always been to adopt the "us vs them" mentality and then play the role as the good guys. They know that on the face of things, they have the numbers to pull it off but it always ends up marginalising too many people. This is how BigAnt for example has so many undeserved CP medals. In the days of Keers they'd even go as far as using whichever alliance the eUK is in against the opposition, using their diplomatic positions as another weapon to keep power.

The fact that Ajay Bruno is now the PM says more than I can about how successful this approach really is.

Some of us UKPP congress people even tried to stop the impeachment, thinking it was best to let SHA coast into the sunset. Little did we know he had been antagonizing almost everyone. Sad. Fake news.

I agonised over pressing the button. On one hand, an impeachment would give the Presidency to a malodorous little oik whose actions in the party to which I have remained loyal since my ebirth have been little more than contemptible. On the other hand, the incumbent had done nothing but antagonise those outside of his little clique for way too long, his excuse being "you do better then".

So it says something when I chose "King" Wily/Ajay Bruno over the smug arrogance of Sir Humphrey. Had he not unilaterally decided to polarise Congress with his actions, perhaps I would have voted differently and Apples might then have, as Leo so succinctly put it, coasted off into the sunset, although with a massive stain upon his latest tenure.

I think this pretty much describes two key camps here.

Some people wouldn't impeach because of Ajay. Others would impeach despite Ajay. In both cases, they wanted the impeach.

The bit I don't get is why? Apples may not be everyone's cup of tea, but remember that he didn't want to be CP in the first place. He only did it because Chaz switched party at the wing time. His term has been pretty average, but at least he did it. And I don't recall anything particularly bad happening - not enough to warrant three impeachment attempts. And the Congress thread thing is a red herring, as the CP shouldn't be organising our running Congress anyway. So the lack of proper Vines PMs in Congress' failure, not the CP's.

So on that basis, this impeachment looks like more of a vendetta than a comment on his term as CP.

If Apples didn't want to be CP, he should never have stood. UKRP could have nominated practically anyone else (with a few exceptions) and they would have beaten Wily in the election. Hell, a dead sheep could have beaten Wily. Unfortunately, they chose one of the most polarising characters and he ended up with three impeachment votes against him, the third of which was successful. It was his own contempt for anyone not in his special circle which caused his downfall, even if it meant having a few days of Ajay in charge (notice how his proposals since he got the buttons have been voted down, by the way?)

As far as Congress goes, traditionally the role of setting up messages has gone to the Speaker. Apples had taken up that mantle himself prior to his election and saw fit to create the division all by himself.

In conclusion, Apples tied his own noose.

What Mad Pauly said....

When he branded half of Congress scum and didn't deserve to be part of a Congress thread and therefore should be excluded, that was the action that alienated sufficient parts of TUP to get the extra 16% needed.

Was it a vendetta? Only in the context that the impeachment was based upon his behaviour rather than the wider job he did - although I'm sure many people will ask exactly what he did do.

VoodooMike raises some very good points here.

We had several rogue laws that were instigated by UKPP and BP members plus a number of legitimate laws rejected by Congress. This all served to undermine the Government.
So if it wasn't a bad term by the CP then the impeach can only be a Vendetta. Plus if you add in the fact of Chaz's dodgy shenanigans and his known loyalty to Wayne and DC, then it all points once again as to who hopes to gain from all this.

Now of course only time will tell - but for as long as this article is available and its comments visible, then if I'm right then what happened three years ago is set for a repeat and if I'm wrong - well we've lost nothing.

It's probably good to note that the impeachment only actually passed after Appleby was perceived to exclude the majority of parties in congress. Before then the previous two were voted down. One was even proposed by a sodding UKRP member. In both cases if you compare the number of yeses to the amount of UKPP congressmen you'll notice that UKPP and BP all voting yes still wouldn't actually make up the total number of yes votes.

Saying "it's about vendetta" is more or less completely stating the obvious for the first couple seeing as the bulk of the votes would be BP who have a vendetta against pretty much whoever runs the show at the time providing it isn't one of their own.

If Appleby set the precedent that he was handling PMs and then proceeded to exclude 2/3rds of elected parties, followed by just being plain abrasive when confronted about it then that's perfect grounds for impeachment imo. I respect Apples but he did himself no favours.

Also while I wasn't here for a good part of Appleby's term, in the tail end I caught of it there was no noticeable MoD orders or update articles of any kind from govt. I mean if I was inspired to write this bad boy:

https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/all-the-ministerial-updates-2640975/1/20

Then something was blatantly up. Probably what swung the one or two rogue TUP bois that may or may not have voted (investigations appear inconclusive)

Paul's insistence that UKPP are the same as BP is weirdly going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy if he continues to contribute to alienating an entire party when 2 are already heavily anti TUP/UKRP.

If the CP is effectively ignoring half on Congress by exclusion, of course that half of Congress is going to try to undermine government. Don't get me wrong - I don't hold most of the people in government positions at fault here. Most of them (even all, excluding the CP) I would consider friends here, politics aside. The fault lies squarely with the actions of one person.

To call it a vendetta is a bit strong. If there were any vendetta, then surely it would be coming from the direction of our deposed CP.

I seriously hope that you are wrong, and that divisions can be healed. I also hope that UKRP have learned from this experience and will no longer give Apples the opportunity to stand for any position of power again after the fiasco that has been this term.

Pssssst Paul.... It is the current year - DC hasn't been political active for years....

As expected, you're doubling down and blaming anyone and everything for what has happened and won't look at yourselves as to how you played your part....

Dumb proposals have always been proposed by all parties down the years so bit of a weak attempt at diverting there....

And Congress voted against some proposals that the government wanted?? Well, if half of Congress is excluded from discussions then it is hardly surprising if they don't know the correct way the elites want them to vote...

People have commented as to why people turned against the CP so for you to dismiss people's reasons and suggest that it was purely down to conspiracies just makes you look stupid. And för as long as you and others dismiss the reasons and fill in the blanks with a narrative that paints Apples as some sort of heroic victim then reconciliation will be difficult. In the future I'd be hesitant to support any CP candidate who blamed some sort of vendetta without looking at themselves.

And you are doing Chaz a massive disservice in dismising him on the basis of a historic association with Wayne.... Anyone who has worked with him down the years will appreciate his commitment to the eUK...

Dodgy shenanigans?

You have an MoD who has always maintained that order articles are a waste of time...then get shocked he doesn't copy and paste links three times daily. Add into the mix a TW (cheerio half our damage for allies), a revised media module (so orders are less likely to be on the homepage) and that we have few 'real' campaigns to fight in (seriously, our commanders aren't idiots, they don't need telling the same thing every day) then you have a quiet month.

Worth noting too that there was no consultation on strategy for the Irish TW, failed assimilation of Belgium nor anything tbh then it's fair to assume the government didn't need an MoD this month other than to make it look like any something was happening. Which let'a face it is all the copy and paste articles achieve. We legitimately didn't need an MoD this month.

Dodgy shenanigans .or just a realist who had lost faith but kept quiet about it. Pretty sure I said to Appleby that most plans were 'out the window' after the TW started.

Well I've already made clear I have no intention of being involved in Government or Congress for the foreseeable future and leaving aside any issue with UKPP - let's not forget how BigAnt (of all people) has weaseled his way back in to Congress and active politics and nobody seems bothered. He and anyone from his party and supporters should have been immediately blacklisted by any reasonable members of Congress.

Blacklisting does nothing, if they manage to get into congress anyway all it does is exclude them from a fairly unproductive PM. Under dictatorship it would be more productive perhaps but nobody does those anymore.

If you want to exclude people from congress you get an effort together to PTO and gut their parties, otherwise you're wasting your time.

My god Paul. Seriously, you are acting like a liberal leftie. Take a step back and read what you are claiming!

DC have been dead for over 3 years.

What has Chaz done that is 'dodgy'?

Are you suggesting Apples term was successful, it was just others that made it appear worse than it was?

Do you honestly think I want to lead you shower of shits? I've already done that when eUK was actually half decent. I'll happily leave the running of this shit show to others.

BigAnt hasn't 'weasled' his way back into Mongress. Him and a friend managed to get a party into the Top 5 in time.

Seriously Paul, this narrative you have dreamt up of me, UKPP and the mythical creature known only as DC is laughable. People are laughing at you, mate.

https://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/1000701
https://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/1626113

Lol UKRP bring the multis out ready for Dish 😃

Please, next time if someone needs to blame the UKPP, just blame Wayne...Also TUP sucks!

Well it is Wayne's fault... When he is around is clearing manipulating and therefore to blame... But when he isn't around then it is also his fault for not being round to manipulate...

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Slim, and gorgeous. So everyone says. You may kiss my hand.

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